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^I found pushing the red S T A R T button pretty anti-climactic. Was it to conjure up the S2000 or, if only for just a moment, impart the notion that I was actually driving a sports car?
The novelty wore of pretty quick. While the button itself does not illuminate, I don't recall if it had an outer ring that lit up - though we signed out the cars before sunrise.
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according2kev
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NSXforever wrote:
Colin wrote:
atomiclightbulb wrote:
Colin wrote:
Is it possible that that 'low price' bar has moved? Can you customize any car exactly the way you want it at the 30K price point? (assuming that 'customize' doesn't mean take every option out). |
The Ford Focus can be customized to a fairly significant degree, and the Subaru Impreza actually has logical "packages" that make sense.
Perhaps Acura is satisfied with the way it runs its batch manufacturing, but surely there must be some way to allow customization.
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No matter what they coulda, shoulda done, people would be complaining here. IMO they should stop adding packages and go back to the 'fully loaded' at 'one price' model. This way the only complaint could be that someone wanting a 'stripper' model is paying for something he doesn't want. (moonroofs are a current example of this way of doing things)
FWIW, our 6MT was the first to sell, most of our first batch is gone (~10 cars) including our only hybrid. We just received another 6 cars so I think there is about 8 on hand now. Unfortunately, of the 8 ILXs, six are Black w/Ebony. Not much color selection now.
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Completely agree with this. The loaded with Nav, not loaded with NAV strategy was simple and easy to use and for consumers to understand and really made Acura show their value.
Its really hard to see the point of designing and building the car in America to "save on costs" and its not a value at all. The TSX built in Japan is the far better proposition.
Ten years ago for the price of the ILX you got a 225hp TL with HIDs, leather and was much larger. For 2012 you get 150hp, no HIDs, cloth but OMG bluetooth and finally push button start.
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I wouldn’t call the ILX a steal myself, but your statement is a bit off. First, a base model 2002 TL checked in right at 29k. The base ILX checks in right at 26K. Second, you must consider inflation. But if you want to ignore that, you can get a ILX Premium for just over 29K.
The ILX is lacking in some areas compared to the old TL but I wouldn’t point out the size as a negative. In fact, I thought that was one of the main objectives of the ILX… to offer a little luxury for those who prefer a smaller vehicle. The ILX Premium does carry a few features that the base TL didn’t offer other than Bluetooth and push button start you mention. To name a few:
Dual zone climate control
iMID- which has several features in itself
USB
XM radio
Rear view cam
One touch blinkers
Curtain Airbags
Quick Vent window feature
Tire Pressure Monitors
17” wheels (IIRC the TL had 16s on base)
Projectors
There may be more but these are some that caught my attention. Depending on your driving style, you will even save in fuel compared to the old TL.
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DrWhiner
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according2kev wrote:
NSXforever wrote:
Ten years ago for the price of the ILX you got a 225hp TL with HIDs, leather and was much larger. For 2012 you get 150hp, no HIDs, cloth but OMG bluetooth and finally push button start.
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[...] First, a base model 2002 TL checked in right at 29k. [...]
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And a 2002 Accord started from 15.5k.
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Grace141
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JimmyEats wrote:
I don't see why we should think pushing a button to start is a good thing. With the same key technology, can't we just get in and then move it from Park to Drive when we want to drive? Oh actually, I think that Tesla just invented that, but it costs a lot more money. Lame...
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I keep thinking that if the modern Start button was moved from the dash to the floor we'd have a 1950 Studebaker. I still don't get the point of having a key of any kind and yet you still push a button. Considering the move to start/stop tech in cars today the "start when you shift from Park" idea is a good one.
I saw a 2.4/MT in the gray color at my local dealer last week and then this morning a fellow in a similar gray A4 passed me on the highway. Now I see the direction Honda wanted to take with the ILX. Whether they succeeded is a matter of opinion.
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DCR
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Uh huh.
http://www.acura.com/VideoGallery.aspx?model=ILX&modelYear=2013&context=photos-videos#/video10
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JimmyEats
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It was going to be a longer video, but when they told them the price for all that enjoyment, everyone puked and ruined their clothes. It was a messy scene. I think Funny-or-Die has a clip actually...
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Gumbercules
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haha, thats funny, but you're right they probably didnt know how much a 6MT will cost.
I think the car will look 1000X better if it had larger wheels. I know that this affects comfort and MPG, but the wheels look to plain and IMHO makes it look more like Civic class vehicle than an entry luxury car.
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BachelorFrog
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HAHAHA!! The guy in the video said, his BMW cannot take turns like ILX...
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Grace141
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Bobby Rahal? No, it couldn't have been.
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atomiclightbulb
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BachelorFrog wrote:
HAHAHA!! The guy in the video said, his BMW cannot take turns like ILX... |
I didn't watch the whole video, but it seems like these people are more or less average consumers and probably not as discerning as the ToV membership.
To the people in the video, an ILX may really be that good.
As for the BMW comment, that may not be unfounded. The journalist from TFLcar.com said something similar in his review video on YouTube -- that the ILX felt buttoned down like a BMW. Obviously the ILX has an FF setup and not an FR setup, so the balance and handling characteristics will be different for the person who really knows how to take advantage of FR, but the ILX was never aimed at this market to begin with. In any case, the sales numbers over the next few months will show whether Acura was right, or whether ToV will have the last laugh.
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DCR
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Yeah, "average consumers" with a hand so far up their asses Acura could move their lips like a puppet.
The most hilarious part is the hybrid comments.
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atomiclightbulb
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DCR wrote:
Yeah, "average consumers" with a hand so far up their asses Acura could move their lips like a puppet.
The most hilarious part is the hybrid comments.
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I'll have to watch the whole thing to catch the footage of the hybrid. I like the ILX for the most part, but the hybrid trim is a complete joke.
I'm not opposed to an ILX hybrid, but the ILX is a premium Acura product, and needed much better than a Hybrid CIvic IMA shoehorned into the engine bay... that powertrain doesn't say "Advance" to me. It says "stagnate" and "lazy". Acura, do it right, or don't do it at all.
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owequitit
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
BachelorFrog wrote:
HAHAHA!! The guy in the video said, his BMW cannot take turns like ILX... |
I didn't watch the whole video, but it seems like these people are more or less average consumers and probably not as discerning as the ToV membership.
To the people in the video, an ILX may really be that good.
As for the BMW comment, that may not be unfounded. The journalist from TFLcar.com said something similar in his review video on YouTube -- that the ILX felt buttoned down like a BMW. Obviously the ILX has an FF setup and not an FR setup, so the balance and handling characteristics will be different for the person who really knows how to take advantage of FR, but the ILX was never aimed at this market to begin with. In any case, the sales numbers over the next few months will show whether Acura was right, or whether ToV will have the last laugh.
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Its ironic that Honda doesn't want to "target" the largest group of buyers in the segment considering that BMW is #1 by quite a margin, and the C-class, GS, IS, and CTS all do quite well with a traditional setup.
I keep hearing "it wasn't intended for this group" and yet "this group" comprises the largest % of buyers. Not saying that most people want FR, but they certainly have proven a liking for taut teutonic handling, relatively lively chassis, and an abundance of power... It's a shame that Acura keeps chasing markets that apparently don't exist, because we all know they could drop a nuke into any segment they wanted if they had the balls to do it. Instead, we waste billions on flops like the ZDX, the ILX and likely the new RLX.
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NealX
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I was at the book store today doing my monthly "audit" of all the ncar mags and saw a new, 2-page print ad for the ILX. Here's the headline:
The kind of car your dad
would have driven if he hadn't had you.
God, I hope not...
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330R
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Neal wrote:
I was at the book store today doing my monthly "audit" of all the ncar mags and saw a new, 2-page print ad for the ILX. Here's the headline:
The kind of car your dad
would have driven if he hadn't had you.
God, I hope not...
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Jesus, Acura. Get your head out of your hidden tailpipe.
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Chocs
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Neal wrote:
I was at the book store today doing my monthly "audit" of all the ncar mags and saw a new, 2-page print ad for the ILX. Here's the headline:
The kind of car your dad
would have driven if he hadn't had you.
God, I hope not...
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...........LOL.
I would have settled for "PRECISION CRAFTED PERFORMANCE"
Except they'd have to cut "performance" out from there.
"PRECISION CRAFTED"
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JimmyEats
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So it's an Acura for your sterile uncles?
Wait, did they sneak the E.D. engine in it already. Something's dysfunctioning at Acura.
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owequitit wrote:
I keep hearing "it wasn't intended for this group" and yet "this group" comprises the largest % of buyers. Not saying that most people want FR, but they certainly have proven a liking for taut teutonic handling, relatively lively chassis, and an abundance of power... It's a shame that Acura keeps chasing markets that apparently don't exist, because we all know they could drop a nuke into any segment they wanted if they had the balls to do it. Instead, we waste billions on flops like the ZDX, the ILX and likely the new RLX.
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How many actually purchase the high performance motors? Not as many as people think.
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mobis21
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DCR wrote:
Yeah, "average consumers" with a hand so far up their asses Acura could move their lips like a puppet.
The most hilarious part is the hybrid comments.
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Did Honda have they hand up your ass forcing you to buy your Civic Hybrid?
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superchg2
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mobis21 wrote:
DCR wrote:
Yeah, "average consumers" with a hand so far up their asses Acura could move their lips like a puppet.
The most hilarious part is the hybrid comments.
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Did Honda have they hand up your ass forcing you to buy your Civic Hybrid?
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mobis21 wrote:
04-14-2012 10:46
I was met with the same attacks when I joined, so I learned real quick like to just keep my posting to nil, and look for the good topics and just read.
Actually, finding good reading here is hard too. TSX69 makes very useful post, as does Danielrg. Other than those two, I have not seen anyone contributing to TOV. All the other posters are just poseurs in Hybrid Civics complaining because Honda doesn't build things like the NSX. Something they would never buy anyway.
Lots of other great and welcoming Honda or Acura Forums. Plus they are using Forum software not 20 years old.
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I wish you would keep your posting to nil like you said you would, mobis21, or whomever you might be. Also, why haven't you moved over to one of the other forums?
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superchg2
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mobis21 wrote:
DCR wrote:
Yeah, "average consumers" with a hand so far up their asses Acura could move their lips like a puppet.
The most hilarious part is the hybrid comments.
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Did Honda have they hand up your ass forcing you to buy your Civic Hybrid?
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mobis21 wrote:
04-14-2012 10:46
I was met with the same attacks when I joined, so I learned real quick like to just keep my posting to nil, and look for the good topics and just read.
Actually, finding good reading here is hard too. TSX69 makes very useful post, as does Danielrg. Other than those two, I have not seen anyone contributing to TOV. All the other posters are just poseurs in Hybrid Civics complaining because Honda doesn't build things like the NSX. Something they would never buy anyway.
Lots of other great and welcoming Honda or Acura Forums. Plus they are using Forum software not 20 years old.
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I wish you would keep your posting to nil like you said you would, mobis21, or whomever you might be. Also, why haven't you moved over to one of the other forums?
p.s. It sure looks like you are attacking DCR, here.
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Trip
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Neal wrote:
I was at the book store today doing my monthly "audit" of all the ncar mags and saw a new, 2-page print ad for the ILX. Here's the headline:
The kind of car your dad
would have driven if he hadn't had you.
God, I hope not...
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GTFO R u serious? Please tell me you were tripping and maybe were looking at a Field and Stream magazine. :-/
Acura is so far off base with this car's marketing and demographics.
I just read another article this morning http://news.yahoo.com/americas-generation-y-not-driven-drive-145632280--sector.html
As with many other articles I've read, it talks about how Gen Y is not into cars. Along with the crippling cost of education and low return of education (i.e. no f'in jobs), they not only don't car about cars, they are pushing off car purchases, house purchases and getting married because they're paying off student loans.
My first couple of cars were pre-owned. I needed basic reliable transportation until I got a decent job that allowed me to pay loans and rent and food first. Once I was able to afford a new car, I certainly wasn't looking to purchase a luxury brand.
Acura missed the boat with the ILX. Since it seems only an older audience might be be able to afford this car, why not tie it into the RSX and Integra? That right there would have instant cache. Give it the sporty up market performance and luxury it deserves instead of a watered down offering that its target audience isn't even going to look at.
Had the 2.4L 6MT been available with the Tech package it would have been on my short list (despite the glaring omission of an LSD). If the next gen 6 doesn't have a 6MT, I would have gone to the Acura show room. But I'm spoiled now and want all the goodies my 6 has... keyless entry, HIDs, auto dimming inside and outside mirrors, better stereo, NAVI, ....
I have a feeling I'll be driving my 89 Prelude for the next 30 years....
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Trip
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From the Car Lounge . . . LMAO
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Hondarulez
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NSXforever wrote:
Colin wrote:
atomiclightbulb wrote:
Colin wrote:
Is it possible that that 'low price' bar has moved? Can you customize any car exactly the way you want it at the 30K price point? (assuming that 'customize' doesn't mean take every option out). |
The Ford Focus can be customized to a fairly significant degree, and the Subaru Impreza actually has logical "packages" that make sense.
Perhaps Acura is satisfied with the way it runs its batch manufacturing, but surely there must be some way to allow customization.
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No matter what they coulda, shoulda done, people would be complaining here. IMO they should stop adding packages and go back to the 'fully loaded' at 'one price' model. This way the only complaint could be that someone wanting a 'stripper' model is paying for something he doesn't want. (moonroofs are a current example of this way of doing things)
FWIW, our 6MT was the first to sell, most of our first batch is gone (~10 cars) including our only hybrid. We just received another 6 cars so I think there is about 8 on hand now. Unfortunately, of the 8 ILXs, six are Black w/Ebony. Not much color selection now.
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Completely agree with this. The loaded with Nav, not loaded with NAV strategy was simple and easy to use and for consumers to understand and really made Acura show their value.
Its really hard to see the point of designing and building the car in America to "save on costs" and its not a value at all. The TSX built in Japan is the far better proposition.
Ten years ago for the price of the ILX you got a 225hp TL with HIDs, leather and was much larger. For 2012 you get 150hp, no HIDs, cloth but OMG bluetooth and finally push button start.
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Gotta take inflation into account, especially if you are talking about a 10-year old car.
At 2% annual inflation rate, a $29k TL in 2002 is equivalent to over $35k in today's dollars.
Conversely, a $29k ILX Premium today is the same as a $23k vehicle back in 2002. Huge difference my friend.
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Saw my first ILX on the street. Amber brownstone is a really nice color, similar to the CRVs Urban Titanium which I also like. Overall its design is very attractive. Some have mentioned the size comparison to the TSX, and I agree the TSX is quite obviously bigger but not that much. IMO the ILX will appeal more to women, the lines are far less angular than the TSX and the sightlines for the driver should be exceptional. Overall I would give the exterior design to the ILX.
Now here's the downside, its been available for 2 months and the first ILX I see was a service loaner vehicle. Tell me things aren't that so bad already so they are selling them internally like they did the ZDX? I really hope not.
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according2kev
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98EX4cyl wrote:
Now here's the downside, its been available for 2 months and the first ILX I see was a service loaner vehicle. Tell me things aren't that so bad already so they are selling them internally like they did the ZDX? I really hope not.
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Is that really a bad sign? I can remember my mom having a loaner G37 shortly after they went on sale.
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superchg2
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according2kev wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
Now here's the downside, its been available for 2 months and the first ILX I see was a service loaner vehicle. Tell me things aren't that so bad already so they are selling them internally like they did the ZDX? I really hope not.
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Is that really a bad sign? I can remember my mom having a loaner G37 shortly after they went on sale.
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I saw a BRZ on the highway stylin', a month ago. No ILX sightings in KC, so far.
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Colin
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98EX4cyl wrote:
Now here's the downside, its been available for 2 months and the first ILX I see was a service loaner vehicle. Tell me things aren't that so bad already so they are selling them internally like they did the ZDX? I really hope not.
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You should know that cars don't 'become' service loaners for dealers. Cars destined to be loaners are ordered that way (indicated by a special code on the order sheet). In fact, changing the status of a car destined to be a loaner isn't done easily (if at all) and visa versa.
FWIW, we've sold most of our first two batches, we've only got two base, one premium and two techs left. [shrugs] It's not selling as fast as the RDX, but there are a half dozen on our waiting list for certain color/trim combos.
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98EX4cyl
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Colin wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
Now here's the downside, its been available for 2 months and the first ILX I see was a service loaner vehicle. Tell me things aren't that so bad already so they are selling them internally like they did the ZDX? I really hope not.
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You should know that cars don't 'become' service loaners for dealers. Cars destined to be loaners are ordered that way (indicated by a special code on the order sheet). In fact, changing the status of a car destined to be a loaner isn't done easily (if at all) and visa versa.
FWIW, we've sold most of our first two batches, we've only got two base, one premium and two techs left. [shrugs] It's not selling as fast as the RDX, but there are a half dozen on our waiting list for certain color/trim combos.
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Thanks for clearing that up. About 2 years ago there was a thread about a sudden rush of ZDX sales and a rumor that they were internal dealer sales as dealers were forced to buy them and put them into service as loaner cars. The topic recently resurfaced as someone mentioned how many low mileage certified used ZDX were available.
Glad to hear they are selling fine on there own. If you don't mind a question, what's the take rate for the 2.4 6-speed?
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Colin
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98EX4cyl wrote:
Colin wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
Now here's the downside, its been available for 2 months and the first ILX I see was a service loaner vehicle. Tell me things aren't that so bad already so they are selling them internally like they did the ZDX? I really hope not.
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You should know that cars don't 'become' service loaners for dealers. Cars destined to be loaners are ordered that way (indicated by a special code on the order sheet). In fact, changing the status of a car destined to be a loaner isn't done easily (if at all) and visa versa.
FWIW, we've sold most of our first two batches, we've only got two base, one premium and two techs left. [shrugs] It's not selling as fast as the RDX, but there are a half dozen on our waiting list for certain color/trim combos.
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Thanks for clearing that up. About 2 years ago there was a thread about a sudden rush of ZDX sales and a rumor that they were internal dealer sales as dealers were forced to buy them and put them into service as loaner cars. The topic recently resurfaced as someone mentioned how many low mileage certified used ZDX were available.
Glad to hear they are selling fine on there own. If you don't mind a question, what's the take rate for the 2.4 6-speed?
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LOL, we still have a 2010 ZDX and I'd imagine if they could have made it into a loaner (easily) they would have. As for 2.4, we've sold both we received immediately. I never had a chance to drive it at all. Fortunately we have two coming later this month and three next month. Maybe I'll get a test drive soon. We've also sold both of the hybrids we received (both Techs) and we've got seven coming in the next two batches. I did spend some time in the hybrid, and wrote about it here: http://www.satoauto.com/acura-cars/2012/6/8/2013-acura-ilx-hybrid-driving-impressions.html
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