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xBeastx
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More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 09:29
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It has more torque and horsepower than gasoline engine Fit! And being the most fuel efficient car ever rated by the EPA, I think it's worth the $36k.
ipribadi
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 10:27
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Well at $20K over a regular fit, I'd say this is more of a green statement car.
$20K of gas can drive a regular Fit over 150,000 miles.
b18cTypeR
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 10:41
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Uh... Does anyone remember the original Insight? The really ugly one... That was in the 90's and it got 60-70 MPG, and you can find them dirt cheap! I don't get the whole hybrid thing... from an engineering perspective, they are actually worse for the envionment that standard cars. Seems to me nearly all of them are well over $40,000. It's crazy that people will spend that much for a car that gets half the milage of the original insight. It maybe ugly, but with that kind of gas milage, I would rock it if it were hot pink. Just my 2 cent.
nj
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 11:01
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b18cTypeR wrote:
Uh... Does anyone remember the original Insight? The really ugly one... That was in the 90's and it got 60-70 MPG, and you can find them dirt cheap! I don't get the whole hybrid thing... from an engineering perspective, they are actually worse for the envionment that standard cars. Seems to me nearly all of them are well over $40,000. It's crazy that people will spend that much for a car that gets half the milage of the original insight. It maybe ugly, but with that kind of gas milage, I would rock it if it were hot pink. Just my 2 cent.


I never understood the argument about EVs being worse for the environment. Yes they use toxic metals, but they can be disposed properly. The mining for these metals is toxic, yes, but a single mine for them must porduce thousands of batteries. Whereas oil refineries, wells, off-shore drills constantly drill for oil and burn off excess waste. There are millions of pieces to the oil network all pumping out a ton of emissions. EVs produce zero emissions for their entire lifetime on the road compared to a gas car constantly polluting the air. I refuse to accept that the benefits of EVs are really completely slashed by the metals and toxic batteries without proof in the numbers. Is there any chart showing the impact of a battery mining facility vs oil rigs or a gas car vs an EV?


dominik331
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 11:06
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What's the rated Hp and torque?
iahs2k
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 11:13
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More stupidity from Honda. Focusing on cars that people largely don't give a crap about.
iceman6
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 12:42
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It doesn't matter what the purchase price is. All you can do is lease it, at $389/month. Autoblog says it's the best EV on the market. Too bad they're only importing 1100 of them!
ipribadi
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 13:17
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iceman6 wrote:
It doesn't matter what the purchase price is. All you can do is lease it, at $389/month.
You can lease a Civic LX for $220 per month.
Extra $170 per month for gas is a lot of gas, not even considering the electricity costs.

S600=Dream
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 13:23
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iahs2k wrote:
More stupidity from Honda. Focusing on cars that people largely don't give a crap about.


Don't you have something better to do?
ipribadi
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 13:25
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b18cTypeR wrote:
I don't get the whole hybrid thing... from an engineering perspective, they are actually worse for the envionment that standard cars. Seems to me nearly all of them are well over $40,000. It's crazy that people will spend that much for a car that gets half the milage of the original insight. It maybe ugly, but with that kind of gas milage, I would rock it if it were hot pink. Just my 2 cent.
Well, the original insight was only a two seater!
???
How bout a Honda Rebel motorcycle? 2 seater, gets 85mpg, cost only $5K brand new!

A 50mpg average Prius goes for $25K with room for 5 and
a decent trunk.
DrWhiner
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 14:33
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ipribadi wrote:
You can lease a Civic LX for $220 per month.
Extra $170 per month for gas is a lot of gas, not even considering the electricity costs.


The 36-month, 36,000-mile lease will cost $389 a month plus taxes with no down payment. The contract includes roadside assistance, all maintenance as well as the collision insurance. However, consumers leasing the Fit will be required to carry liability insurance at $100,000 per incident and $300,000 overall coverage.

Honda doesn't offer a lease deal for the gasoline version of a Fit, but a similar lease for the slightly larger Civic is $220 a month with Honda picking up the first of the 36 monthly payments. It does not cover the cost of maintenance, roadside assistance and collision insurance.

Based on current gasoline prices, the Civic will cost about $1,000 more to drive 12,000 miles than the Fit at a nighttime charging rate of 12 cents per kilowatt-hour.


BTW, "Honda officials said they see the offer as a way to remove a barrier to the introduction of their first electric car in the U.S. They were concerned that insurers would have trouble rating the financial risk of covering the repairs of such a low-volume vehicle."

Since the FIt EV lease also includes collision insurance without deductible, which will probably save at least a couple hundreds for a Civic LX, more for a Fit EV est. @36.6k. Things like oil changes and other maintenance also add up. Furthermore, you need at least a EX to get NAVI for the Civic.
TonyEX
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 15:03
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nj wrote:
b18cTypeR wrote:
Uh... Does anyone remember the original Insight? The really ugly one... That was in the 90's and it got 60-70 MPG, and you can find them dirt cheap! I don't get the whole hybrid thing... from an engineering perspective, they are actually worse for the envionment that standard cars. Seems to me nearly all of them are well over $40,000. It's crazy that people will spend that much for a car that gets half the milage of the original insight. It maybe ugly, but with that kind of gas milage, I would rock it if it were hot pink. Just my 2 cent.


I never understood the argument about EVs being worse for the environment. Yes they use toxic metals, but they can be disposed properly. The mining for these metals is toxic, yes, but a single mine for them must porduce thousands of batteries. Whereas oil refineries, wells, off-shore drills constantly drill for oil and burn off excess waste. There are millions of pieces to the oil network all pumping out a ton of emissions. EVs produce zero emissions for their entire lifetime on the road compared to a gas car constantly polluting the air. I refuse to accept that the benefits of EVs are really completely slashed by the metals and toxic batteries without proof in the numbers. Is there any chart showing the impact of a battery mining facility vs oil rigs or a gas car vs an EV?





Err... EVs simply transfer the pollution from the car to the power plant...

CARB loves them because we get a lot of our electric power from the Northwest and Arizona... so the pollution gets exported out there.

We also get a lot of our power from the nuclear power plant in San Onofre... but don't let that fact be know to the yuppies and greenies in West LA County.


TonyEX
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 15:05
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iceman6 wrote:
It doesn't matter what the purchase price is. All you can do is lease it, at $389/month. Autoblog says it's the best EV on the market. Too bad they're only importing 1100 of them!


They haven't called me yet. :-P

It'll be just like Clarity, they called me TWICE, I got interviewed... did not get the car when they found out where my wife works.

Ratz!
dominik331
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 15:57
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dominik331 wrote:
What's the rated Hp and torque?


Never mind:

"The Fit EV 's 92 kilowatt (123 horsepower) coaxial electric motor generates 188 ft-lb of torque, and is teamed to a chassis with a fully-independent suspension and a driver-selectable 3-mode electric drive system adapted from the CR-Z Sport Hybrid."
DrWhiner
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 16:11
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"In a worst-case situation, with electric power generated from a high proportion of coal -- as it is in a wide swath of the country's midsection -- an electric car or a plug-in hybrid will generate slightly more full-cycle [often called a well-to-wheels analysis] global-warming emissions, as the report calls the greenhouse gases, than the best gasoline-engine subcompact. In areas where the cleanest electricity is available -- regions served by hydroelectric, natural gas or nuclear generating plants -- greenhouse gas emissions may be less than half that of today's best gasoline-engine vehicles.

Put another way, for 45 percent of the United States population, an E.V. will generate lower levels of greenhouse gases than a gasoline-engine vehicle capable of 50 m.p.g. in combined city-highway driving. Cities in this group include the predictable -- Seattle, for example -- as well as the less obvious, like Buffalo or New Orleans.

About 37 percent of Americans live in regions where a Leaf's greenhouse gas emissions would equate to a gasoline-powered vehicle rated at 41 to 50 m.p.g. Some 18 percent of the population lives in regions with a comparatively dirty power supply, where the well-to-wheels carbon footprint of a Leaf would be the equivalent of a vehicle rated at 31 to 40 m.p.g., typical of models like the Chevrolet Cruze, Ford Focus and Hyundai Elantra.

Here's another way to look at it: if one region were completely dependent on coal for power, its electric cars would be responsible for full-cycle global-warming emissions equivalent to a car capable of 30 m.p.g. in mixed driving. In a region totally reliant on natural gas, an electric would be equivalent to a 50 m.p.g. gasoline-engine car. "


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/auto-news/how-green-are-electric-cars-depends-on-where-you-plug-in-631367/#ixzz1zDKdulU8
TheGandalf
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 19:56
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TonyE wrote:
iceman6 wrote:
It doesn't matter what the purchase price is. All you can do is lease it, at $389/month. Autoblog says it's the best EV on the market. Too bad they're only importing 1100 of them!


They haven't called me yet. :-P

It'll be just like Clarity, they called me TWICE, I got interviewed... did not get the car when they found out where my wife works.

Ratz!


And where does she work?
shingles
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 20:52
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Pretty ignorant statement...
Just because YOU don't care, doesn't mean other people do not.

More stupidity from internet heros...
TonyEX
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Re: More Horsepower than Regular Fit [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-30-2012 13:06
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TheGandalf wrote:
TonyE wrote:
iceman6 wrote:
It doesn't matter what the purchase price is. All you can do is lease it, at $389/month. Autoblog says it's the best EV on the market. Too bad they're only importing 1100 of them!


They haven't called me yet. :-P

It'll be just like Clarity, they called me TWICE, I got interviewed... did not get the car when they found out where my wife works.

Ratz!


And where does she work?



Somewhere near the NE corner of Van Ness and Torrance Blvds.. in Torrance, CA.
 
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