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Went by Nissan to look at the new Altima and found out an interesting point. Starting with the 2012 Altima going forward,the CVT has no maintenance done to it...........ever. No more changing tranny fluid, its a sealed unit and supposed to last the lifetime of the car (whatever that means). This came from the Nissan rep thats was training the salespeople. He stated other than the CVT quality hiccup in the 07s (keep that in mind when shopping used Altimas,stay away from 07s and 08s), Nissan has learned alot over the years and feels confident in the no maintenance CVT.
It will be interesting to see if Honda follows the same plan with the Accord's CVT.
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Potenza
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longhorn wrote:
Starting with the 2012 Altima going forward,the CVT has no maintenance done to it...........ever. No more changing tranny fluid, its a sealed unit and supposed to last the lifetime of the car (whatever that means).
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FiSH-Chan
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Potenza wrote:
longhorn wrote:
Starting with the 2012 Altima going forward,the CVT has no maintenance done to it...........ever. No more changing tranny fluid, its a sealed unit and supposed to last the lifetime of the car (whatever that means).
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Wat? I hope Honda does not do the sealed thing, I buy my Hondas to keep for a long time, I don't treat cars as disposabel items
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ClementZ
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So basically, once the tranny goes, so does the car?
Planned obsolescence anyone?
Can the tranny at least be replaced?
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FiSH-Chan
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ClementZ wrote:
So basically, once the tranny goes, so does the car?
Planned obsolescence anyone?
Can the tranny at least be replaced?
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Maybe they are planning to make it like changing out the CVT is like changing tires....
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BorisHonda
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
Potenza wrote:
longhorn wrote:
Starting with the 2012 Altima going forward,the CVT has no maintenance done to it...........ever. No more changing tranny fluid, its a sealed unit and supposed to last the lifetime of the car (whatever that means).
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Wat? I hope Honda does not do the sealed thing, I buy my Hondas to keep for a long time, I don't treat cars as disposabel items
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Please define your 'long time' and how many Hondas you had so far.
If planned life span of a car is 10 years it is quite reasonable. You might extend life of it with maintenance and babying it instead of abusing. So let say 15 years; meaning in your driving lifetime you will have 4-5 cars.
Keeping cars long increases maintenance cost, parts will start eventually to fail, etc. You will be missing all exciting new technology, gas savings, security features, etc.
I can see from time to time those old timers (40+ years old cars) and am wandering WHY??? WHY would somebody want that gas guzzler with no seat belt, etc. on the road???? Just keep it in your living room and live of memories of good old days when gas was cheaper than water...
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DCR
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BorisHonda wrote:
I can see from time to time those old timers (40+ years old cars) and am wandering WHY??? WHY would somebody want that gas guzzler with no seat belt, etc. on the road???? Just keep it in your living room and live of memories of good old days when gas was cheaper than water...
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You know how I know that you aren't remotely close to an automobile enthusiast?
Are you on the right forum?
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BorisHonda
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DCR wrote:
BorisHonda wrote:
I can see from time to time those old timers (40+ years old cars) and am wandering WHY??? WHY would somebody want that gas guzzler with no seat belt, etc. on the road???? Just keep it in your living room and live of memories of good old days when gas was cheaper than water...
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You know how I know that you aren't remotely close to an automobile enthusiast?
Are you on the right forum?
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Define 'enthusiast'.
I want reliable car which will make me smile every time I enter it and drive it.
I am not spending hours washing it, waxing it, talking to it, dreaming about it, sleeping in it and other things you might be doing with the car.
This forum gets me all info regarding Honda cars so that is why I am here. Your reasons might be different... and I do not have to be 'enthusiast' to be here. Clear?
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FiSH-Chan
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BorisHonda wrote:
Please define your 'long time' and how many Hondas you had so far.
Keeping cars long increases maintenance cost, parts will start eventually to fail, etc. You will be missing all exciting new technology, gas savings, security features, etc.
I can see from time to time those old timers (40+ years old cars) and am wandering WHY??? WHY would somebody want that gas guzzler with no seat belt, etc. on the road???? Just keep it in your living room and live of memories of good old days when gas was cheaper than water... |
The reason is simple, for us our cars are very expensive, and money is not easy to make. And maintenance and labor charge to keep a car running is relatively cheap here. However, there is always a point when the car is time for change (fuel price increase, sparepart supply, etc) but usually we just keep it aside as a secndcar until it really stops working and cant be repaired. Safety is also a reason, but that is I think of that only when my income is better and my son was born.
If the CVT is sealed you can't even change the fliud that is probably not going to be something I would like, my driving is something like 90% city driving in high tempurature, if we can't change the fluid it is just asking for trouble and not reach 10yrs or 150k. The point is, I buy a Honda so I can pay for it for the first 5 years, and the other 5 years or maybe even it pays back with some more maintenance but if such a sealed transmission and driving environment I think that hardly make a case for after the first 5 years... buy and throw away... or buy a new expensive transmission and then repeat every 5 years
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FiSH-Chan
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DCR wrote:
You know how I know that you aren't remotely close to an automobile enthusiast?
Are you on the right forum?
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We're talking about CVTs, are you sure you're on the right discussion, haha.
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98EX4cyl
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
BorisHonda wrote:
Please define your 'long time' and how many Hondas you had so far.
Keeping cars long increases maintenance cost, parts will start eventually to fail, etc. You will be missing all exciting new technology, gas savings, security features, etc.
I can see from time to time those old timers (40+ years old cars) and am wandering WHY??? WHY would somebody want that gas guzzler with no seat belt, etc. on the road???? Just keep it in your living room and live of memories of good old days when gas was cheaper than water... |
The reason is simple, for us our cars are very expensive, and money is not easy to make. And maintenance and labor charge to keep a car running is relatively cheap here. However, there is always a point when the car is time for change (fuel price increase, sparepart supply, etc) but usually we just keep it aside as a secndcar until it really stops working and cant be repaired. Safety is also a reason, but that is I think of that only when my income is better and my son was born.
If the CVT is sealed you can't even change the fliud that is probably not going to be something I would like, my driving is something like 90% city driving in high tempurature, if we can't change the fluid it is just asking for trouble and not reach 10yrs or 150k. The point is, I buy a Honda so I can pay for it for the first 5 years, and the other 5 years or maybe even it pays back with some more maintenance but if such a sealed transmission and driving environment I think that hardly make a case for after the first 5 years... buy and throw away... or buy a new expensive transmission and then repeat every 5 years
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I too pay for my Hondas through years 4 or 5 then enjoy the much lower cost of just paying maintenance ($200-500/yr) in years 5-10. I remember reading a while ago that Hondas were designed to be driven to 200,000 miles without major part failures..only maintenance. Currently I'm on my way to reaching 150,000 miles before year 10. My last Accord took 10 yrs to reach 100,000 and I hated parting with it but did so to meet changing family needs.
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VTEC_Inside
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98EX4cyl wrote:
FiSH-Chan wrote:
BorisHonda wrote:
Please define your 'long time' and how many Hondas you had so far.
Keeping cars long increases maintenance cost, parts will start eventually to fail, etc. You will be missing all exciting new technology, gas savings, security features, etc.
I can see from time to time those old timers (40+ years old cars) and am wandering WHY??? WHY would somebody want that gas guzzler with no seat belt, etc. on the road???? Just keep it in your living room and live of memories of good old days when gas was cheaper than water... |
The reason is simple, for us our cars are very expensive, and money is not easy to make. And maintenance and labor charge to keep a car running is relatively cheap here. However, there is always a point when the car is time for change (fuel price increase, sparepart supply, etc) but usually we just keep it aside as a secndcar until it really stops working and cant be repaired. Safety is also a reason, but that is I think of that only when my income is better and my son was born.
If the CVT is sealed you can't even change the fliud that is probably not going to be something I would like, my driving is something like 90% city driving in high tempurature, if we can't change the fluid it is just asking for trouble and not reach 10yrs or 150k. The point is, I buy a Honda so I can pay for it for the first 5 years, and the other 5 years or maybe even it pays back with some more maintenance but if such a sealed transmission and driving environment I think that hardly make a case for after the first 5 years... buy and throw away... or buy a new expensive transmission and then repeat every 5 years
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+1
I too pay for my Hondas through years 4 or 5 then enjoy the much lower cost of just paying maintenance ($200-500/yr) in years 5-10. I remember reading a while ago that Hondas were designed to be driven to 200,000 miles without major part failures..only maintenance. Currently I'm on my way to reaching 150,000 miles before year 10. My last Accord took 10 yrs to reach 100,000 and I hated parting with it but did so to meet changing family needs.
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The 5spd manual in my '89 Accord still works and feels as good if not better (thank the rod linkage) than my '04 RSX-S, and the Accord has 430,000kms on it.
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DCR
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BorisHonda wrote:
Define 'enthusiast'.
I want reliable car which will make me smile every time I enter it and drive it.
I am not spending hours washing it, waxing it, talking to it, dreaming about it, sleeping in it and other things you might be doing with the car.
This forum gets me all info regarding Honda cars so that is why I am here. Your reasons might be different... and I do not have to be 'enthusiast' to be here. Clear?
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Yup, you are in the wrong place.
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BachelorFrog
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How much CVT replacement cost if you are out of warranty.....
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EXV6
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I really like the new Altima, though I have not seen it in person yet. I've read such negative things about the CVT. Often it is described as conveying a "driving by rubber bands" feeling or something to that effect. Nissan reportedly makes the best CVTs, though.
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superchg2
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DCR wrote:
BorisHonda wrote:
Define 'enthusiast'.
I want reliable car which will make me smile every time I enter it and drive it.
I am not spending hours washing it, waxing it, talking to it, dreaming about it, sleeping in it and other things you might be doing with the car.
This forum gets me all info regarding Honda cars so that is why I am here. Your reasons might be different... and I do not have to be 'enthusiast' to be here. Clear?
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Yup, you are in the wrong place.
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Can't we all just get along?
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