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Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 11:11
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I think we've already known some of these "info." Nevertheless, The Detroit Bureau reports...
Apparently, the folks at Tuscon’s Chapman Honda have decided that the best way to move the outgoing Accords on their lot is by giving customers a preview of the new car.

... Among the details provided by the dealership, it appears the 2013 Honda Accord will include:

- “Niceties” (like) Bluetooth;
- SMS audio text functionality,
- Pandora radio with iPhone interface “all bundled together with a Multi-Information Display (i-MID) system.”

...will feature lane departure warning, forward collision warning and LaneWatch blind spot alert while a backup camera will now become standard on all new Accord models.


http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2012/06/details-leak-on-new-2013-honda-accord/
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 16:49
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The dealership adds some more specifics to what Honda has already said about the three powertrains coming for the 2013 Accord. The DOHC base inline-four will be direct-injected and make 181 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque. It will be paired with either a 6-speed stick or Honda’s new CVT.

There will be an optional 3.5-liter V-6 that “will be more powerful and more efficient than the current engine.”



heh, this is not looking good for i4 buyers looking for more power over the current K24Z3.



A77
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 17:34
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My guess is that this motor will replace the current 177hp one and there will be a more highly tuned version with 192hp for so. No way can Honda get away with less power than the current model. Less power and a CVT? - heaven forbid.
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 18:39
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Honda says more than 181hp, not just 181hp. Of course, that could mean 182hp.....
Powered by Honda
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 19:45
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Safety for all.

I'm sure back up cams will be standard like crv but

BLIND SPOT?
LAND DEPART?
FRONT COLLISON SYSTEM? auto brake?

dammm honda just ban-kai'd
BorisHonda
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 19:52
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This is just a tease to sell old stock. If dealer is to brake news embargo they would lose license to sell cars.

Just be patient and wait for the real treat in a few months...
owequitit
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 21:44
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outersquare wrote:
The dealership adds some more specifics to what Honda has already said about the three powertrains coming for the 2013 Accord. The DOHC base inline-four will be direct-injected and make 181 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque. It will be paired with either a 6-speed stick or Honda’s new CVT.

There will be an optional 3.5-liter V-6 that “will be more powerful and more efficient than the current engine.”



heh, this is not looking good for i4 buyers looking for more power over the current K24Z3.






Notice they said "base" inline four. That means that a 181HP/177 lb-ft unit will replace the one making 177/162, not the EX engine.
ClementZ
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 23:17
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owequitit wrote:
outersquare wrote:
The dealership adds some more specifics to what Honda has already said about the three powertrains coming for the 2013 Accord. The DOHC base inline-four will be direct-injected and make 181 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque. It will be paired with either a 6-speed stick or Honda’s new CVT.

There will be an optional 3.5-liter V-6 that “will be more powerful and more efficient than the current engine.”



heh, this is not looking good for i4 buyers looking for more power over the current K24Z3.






Notice they said "base" inline four. That means that a 181HP/177 lb-ft unit will replace the one making 177/162, not the EX engine.



It could,
But nowhere has it been implied that Honda will continue offering two I4 engines.
And to me, that seems even less likely, whatwith the plug-in hybrid, and I read somewhere (only once, and I'm not too sure about the credibility) that Honda will also be offering a regular hybrid with the Accord.

So i unno. Two I4s, a V6 and two Hybrids seems to be a bit extra IMO.
owequitit
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2012 23:49
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ClementZ wrote:
owequitit wrote:
outersquare wrote:
The dealership adds some more specifics to what Honda has already said about the three powertrains coming for the 2013 Accord. The DOHC base inline-four will be direct-injected and make 181 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque. It will be paired with either a 6-speed stick or Honda’s new CVT.

There will be an optional 3.5-liter V-6 that “will be more powerful and more efficient than the current engine.”



heh, this is not looking good for i4 buyers looking for more power over the current K24Z3.






Notice they said "base" inline four. That means that a 181HP/177 lb-ft unit will replace the one making 177/162, not the EX engine.



It could,
But nowhere has it been implied that Honda will continue offering two I4 engines.
And to me, that seems even less likely, whatwith the plug-in hybrid, and I read somewhere (only once, and I'm not too sure about the credibility) that Honda will also be offering a regular hybrid with the Accord.

So i unno. Two I4s, a V6 and two Hybrids seems to be a bit extra IMO.



Its not really two different engines. The only difference between the current 177HP Accord and the 190HP Accord is an ECU difference and an exhaust pipe. The production cost to Honda is less than $50.

Also, if Honda merges both engines to the same output then you can expect something closer to 200HP I think, because even they should know there is no retreat on output (not even the Si went that far). Also, if they merge outputs, they better be prepared for the contingent of Honda loyalists that thinks they should get something more than just a few features for the cost of an EX. We went through this with the 7th gen when all 4 bangers had the same rated output...

Either way they are going to lose with someone, they will just have to try and pick the lesser evil. If they do merge the I outputs and rate it at 181, it is going to cost them. The Sonata has 20HP more, and they are retreating 10 HP from the previously available power level. Even Toyota held steady. It would also be a pretty big slap in the face to taut all this new engine technology and then retreat on output. That simply provides more fodder for the belief that Honda has lost its way (and it would be largely true).
ClementZ
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2012 00:38
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owequitit wrote:
ClementZ wrote:
owequitit wrote:
outersquare wrote:
The dealership adds some more specifics to what Honda has already said about the three powertrains coming for the 2013 Accord. The DOHC base inline-four will be direct-injected and make 181 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque. It will be paired with either a 6-speed stick or Honda’s new CVT.

There will be an optional 3.5-liter V-6 that “will be more powerful and more efficient than the current engine.”



heh, this is not looking good for i4 buyers looking for more power over the current K24Z3.






Notice they said "base" inline four. That means that a 181HP/177 lb-ft unit will replace the one making 177/162, not the EX engine.



It could,
But nowhere has it been implied that Honda will continue offering two I4 engines.
And to me, that seems even less likely, whatwith the plug-in hybrid, and I read somewhere (only once, and I'm not too sure about the credibility) that Honda will also be offering a regular hybrid with the Accord.

So i unno. Two I4s, a V6 and two Hybrids seems to be a bit extra IMO.



Its not really two different engines. The only difference between the current 177HP Accord and the 190HP Accord is an ECU difference and an exhaust pipe. The production cost to Honda is less than $50.

Also, if Honda merges both engines to the same output then you can expect something closer to 200HP I think, because even they should know there is no retreat on output (not even the Si went that far). Also, if they merge outputs, they better be prepared for the contingent of Honda loyalists that thinks they should get something more than just a few features for the cost of an EX. We went through this with the 7th gen when all 4 bangers had the same rated output...

Either way they are going to lose with someone, they will just have to try and pick the lesser evil. If they do merge the I outputs and rate it at 181, it is going to cost them. The Sonata has 20HP more, and they are retreating 10 HP from the previously available power level. Even Toyota held steady. It would also be a pretty big slap in the face to taut all this new engine technology and then retreat on output. That simply provides more fodder for the belief that Honda has lost its way (and it would be largely true).



I hope you're right.
While I was pleased at the torque increase, the HP decrease was puzzling. Especially since changes between generations normally had 10-20hp increases in the I4s power (5th gen had 135HP, 6th gen had 150HP, 7th gen had 160HP, 8th gen had 177/190HP)
Plus, 200HP and a 6MT sounds really sweet, especially compared to what Honda's been putting out recently.
owequitit
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2012 01:17
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ClementZ wrote:
owequitit wrote:
ClementZ wrote:
owequitit wrote:
outersquare wrote:
The dealership adds some more specifics to what Honda has already said about the three powertrains coming for the 2013 Accord. The DOHC base inline-four will be direct-injected and make 181 horsepower and 177 lb-ft of torque. It will be paired with either a 6-speed stick or Honda’s new CVT.

There will be an optional 3.5-liter V-6 that “will be more powerful and more efficient than the current engine.”



heh, this is not looking good for i4 buyers looking for more power over the current K24Z3.






Notice they said "base" inline four. That means that a 181HP/177 lb-ft unit will replace the one making 177/162, not the EX engine.



It could,
But nowhere has it been implied that Honda will continue offering two I4 engines.
And to me, that seems even less likely, whatwith the plug-in hybrid, and I read somewhere (only once, and I'm not too sure about the credibility) that Honda will also be offering a regular hybrid with the Accord.

So i unno. Two I4s, a V6 and two Hybrids seems to be a bit extra IMO.



Its not really two different engines. The only difference between the current 177HP Accord and the 190HP Accord is an ECU difference and an exhaust pipe. The production cost to Honda is less than $50.

Also, if Honda merges both engines to the same output then you can expect something closer to 200HP I think, because even they should know there is no retreat on output (not even the Si went that far). Also, if they merge outputs, they better be prepared for the contingent of Honda loyalists that thinks they should get something more than just a few features for the cost of an EX. We went through this with the 7th gen when all 4 bangers had the same rated output...

Either way they are going to lose with someone, they will just have to try and pick the lesser evil. If they do merge the I outputs and rate it at 181, it is going to cost them. The Sonata has 20HP more, and they are retreating 10 HP from the previously available power level. Even Toyota held steady. It would also be a pretty big slap in the face to taut all this new engine technology and then retreat on output. That simply provides more fodder for the belief that Honda has lost its way (and it would be largely true).



I hope you're right.
While I was pleased at the torque increase, the HP decrease was puzzling. Especially since changes between generations normally had 10-20hp increases in the I4s power (5th gen had 135HP, 6th gen had 150HP, 7th gen had 160HP, 8th gen had 177/190HP)
Plus, 200HP and a 6MT sounds really sweet, especially compared to what Honda's been putting out recently.



The other interesting thing to note, from a purely mathematical standpoint, is that if there is actually a 15 lb/ft increase in torque, but a 10HP lower rating, that means the engine will have an inferior top end powerband or will redline sooner than the current car. I think the tach pics of the interior so far have shown ~7000RPM on the redline in the 4 banger models, so unless the engine really sucks in the top end, I think Honda is sandbagging output figures.

Assuming the same 7100RPM power peak of the current K24, it SHOULD be putting out something between 200-210HP. That seems more realistic to me. If it comes with a significant improvement in low end, that is great too.
Potenza
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2012 08:45
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owequitit wrote:
Its not really two different engines. The only difference between the current 177HP Accord and the 190HP Accord is an ECU difference and an exhaust pipe. The production cost to Honda is less than $50.

Also, if Honda merges both engines to the same output then you can expect something closer to 200HP I think, because even they should know there is no retreat on output (not even the Si went that far). Also, if they merge outputs, they better be prepared for the contingent of Honda loyalists that thinks they should get something more than just a few features for the cost of an EX. We went through this with the 7th gen when all 4 bangers had the same rated output...

Either way they are going to lose with someone, they will just have to try and pick the lesser evil. If they do merge the I outputs and rate it at 181, it is going to cost them. The Sonata has 20HP more, and they are retreating 10 HP from the previously available power level. Even Toyota held steady. It would also be a pretty big slap in the face to taut all this new engine technology and then retreat on output. That simply provides more fodder for the belief that Honda has lost its way (and it would be largely true).

Remember though that Honda switched all regular Civics to one engine since 2006. DX, LX, or EX (and now even HF) all have the same 140hp 4cyl.

With the Accord it was true for the 7th gen as you said, but I think it went back even further than that. To me the 8th was actually a rarity in that sense, and I believe Honda will go back to just a single 4cyl engine.

I'm sure it will be competitive, but whether it's 190 or 200 or whatever, it remains to be seen. With a decrease in weight and size, anything above 180 will be fine. There will be enough differences in style and options and everything else that few midsize sedan buyers are going to be making the deal based on a couple of horsepower. A more important number in this class is MPG, and it should be tops there.
owequitit
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2012 14:08
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Potenza wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Its not really two different engines. The only difference between the current 177HP Accord and the 190HP Accord is an ECU difference and an exhaust pipe. The production cost to Honda is less than $50.

Also, if Honda merges both engines to the same output then you can expect something closer to 200HP I think, because even they should know there is no retreat on output (not even the Si went that far). Also, if they merge outputs, they better be prepared for the contingent of Honda loyalists that thinks they should get something more than just a few features for the cost of an EX. We went through this with the 7th gen when all 4 bangers had the same rated output...

Either way they are going to lose with someone, they will just have to try and pick the lesser evil. If they do merge the I outputs and rate it at 181, it is going to cost them. The Sonata has 20HP more, and they are retreating 10 HP from the previously available power level. Even Toyota held steady. It would also be a pretty big slap in the face to taut all this new engine technology and then retreat on output. That simply provides more fodder for the belief that Honda has lost its way (and it would be largely true).

Remember though that Honda switched all regular Civics to one engine since 2006. DX, LX, or EX (and now even HF) all have the same 140hp 4cyl.

With the Accord it was true for the 7th gen as you said, but I think it went back even further than that. To me the 8th was actually a rarity in that sense, and I believe Honda will go back to just a single 4cyl engine.

I'm sure it will be competitive, but whether it's 190 or 200 or whatever, it remains to be seen. With a decrease in weight and size, anything above 180 will be fine. There will be enough differences in style and options and everything else that few midsize sedan buyers are going to be making the deal based on a couple of horsepower. A more important number in this class is MPG, and it should be tops there.



Actually, it wasn't a rarity. The cars having the same output across all trims is actually the rarity.

The 2nd gen introduced the trend with the Accord SE-i which was fuel injected and had slightly more power.

The third gen continued it with a HP difference between carbureted and FI models.

The fourth gen had 125HP in DX,LX trim and 130HP in EX trim (which was raised to 140HP in 1992).

The 5th gen had 130 in lower models and 145 in higher models.

The 6th gen had various outputs for different markets, but the LX and EX were both at 150HP, while the DX was rated at 135.

So realistically, the first and 7th gens were the only ones that didn't have different outputs for higher end trims.

Either way, it is sort of a moot point, because there was a fairly large group of people that was unhappy that the 7th gen EX didn't feature a power bump over the 7th gen LX. They thought they should get more power, and perhaps rightfully so. It also doesn't change the fact that even if Honda does re-merge power outputs, that they better offer more than 190HP.
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2012 15:47
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I think power to weight ratio is more important than absolute power. These days, the shape of the power/torque curve matters more to most drivers. bragging rights for higher hp is lost on most (though always a nice to have). I, for one, hope the fomula is based on a lighter car, slight hp bump, better handling, and much much better gas mileage. Isn't that the Honda formula of old?
ClementZ
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2012 17:53
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s2ktaxi wrote:
I think power to weight ratio is more important than absolute power. These days, the shape of the power/torque curve matters more to most drivers. bragging rights for higher hp is lost on most (though always a nice to have). I, for one, hope the fomula is based on a lighter car, slight hp bump, better handling, and much much better gas mileage. Isn't that the Honda formula of old?


While in practice, torque curves and weight/hp ratios are best, I wouldn't say most customers of midsize sedans don't care for that. I mean, most midsize sedan brochures don't have the torque curves for respective engines, or weight/hp figures.
So as far as the midsize segment goes, raw HP and raw torque are more important.
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2012 21:17
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BorisHonda wrote:
This is just a tease to sell old stock. If dealer is to brake news embargo they would lose license to sell cars.

Just be patient and wait for the real treat in a few months...



A tease to sell old stock? Wouldn't that do the complete opposite? People would probably wait if they knew a brand new Accord with all these dazzling features is coming in less than a year.
DrWhiner
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2012 21:32
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Doubt a dealer would know any better than regular ToVers.
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2012 22:44
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ClementZ wrote:
s2ktaxi wrote:
I think power to weight ratio is more important than absolute power. These days, the shape of the power/torque curve matters more to most drivers. bragging rights for higher hp is lost on most (though always a nice to have). I, for one, hope the fomula is based on a lighter car, slight hp bump, better handling, and much much better gas mileage. Isn't that the Honda formula of old?


While in practice, torque curves and weight/hp ratios are best, I wouldn't say most customers of midsize sedans don't care for that. I mean, most midsize sedan brochures don't have the torque curves for respective engines, or weight/hp figures.
So as far as the midsize segment goes, raw HP and raw torque are more important.



I believe you are somewhat right. What buyers care about now is what the EPA rating is first and foremost with styling coming in second. Power, believe it or not, is not as big of a concern as it used to be. All it takes is a test drive for a person to develop their own opinion as to if the car has enough power or not but the EPA estimate hits them in the face and the styling is what gets them noticed by their peers.

Give me a car that looks great and gets good fuel economy and you have a winner, regardless. Just ask Hyundai. They figured it out. Ford has followed suit.

If the Accord has the looks and the EPA rating that at least matches the Altima, Honda would attract more then the Honda loyalist.
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-28-2012 17:13
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JDMImport wrote:
ClementZ wrote:
s2ktaxi wrote:
I think power to weight ratio is more important than absolute power. These days, the shape of the power/torque curve matters more to most drivers. bragging rights for higher hp is lost on most (though always a nice to have). I, for one, hope the fomula is based on a lighter car, slight hp bump, better handling, and much much better gas mileage. Isn't that the Honda formula of old?


While in practice, torque curves and weight/hp ratios are best, I wouldn't say most customers of midsize sedans don't care for that. I mean, most midsize sedan brochures don't have the torque curves for respective engines, or weight/hp figures.
So as far as the midsize segment goes, raw HP and raw torque are more important.



I believe you are somewhat right. What buyers care about now is what the EPA rating is first and foremost with styling coming in second. Power, believe it or not, is not as big of a concern as it used to be. All it takes is a test drive for a person to develop their own opinion as to if the car has enough power or not but the EPA estimate hits them in the face and the styling is what gets them noticed by their peers.

Give me a car that looks great and gets good fuel economy and you have a winner, regardless. Just ask Hyundai. They figured it out. Ford has followed suit.

If the Accord has the looks and the EPA rating that at least matches the Altima, Honda would attract more then the Honda loyalist.




Hyundai has figured out how to manipulate the EPA ratings while getting poor real world ratings. Current Hondas don't measure up on paper (EPA) yet off better than average real world fuel efficiency averages. The EarthDreams engines will only improve on that.


~Patrick
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-28-2012 17:58
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
BorisHonda wrote:
This is just a tease to sell old stock. If dealer is to brake news embargo they would lose license to sell cars.

Just be patient and wait for the real treat in a few months...



A tease to sell old stock? Wouldn't that do the complete opposite? People would probably wait if they knew a brand new Accord with all these dazzling features is coming in less than a year.


I just lost a deal on an accord because the customer wants to wait till 2013, he was supposed to come in today, stood me up........I called him and he said he wanted to wait.........I informed him the cost will be at least $50 to $70 on a lease higher then the current model. He is 75 years old, drives 7,000 miles a year if that and can't use bluetooth........He didn't care......we will see when he sees that payment.......
owequitit
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-28-2012 21:22
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ClementZ wrote:
s2ktaxi wrote:
I think power to weight ratio is more important than absolute power. These days, the shape of the power/torque curve matters more to most drivers. bragging rights for higher hp is lost on most (though always a nice to have). I, for one, hope the fomula is based on a lighter car, slight hp bump, better handling, and much much better gas mileage. Isn't that the Honda formula of old?


While in practice, torque curves and weight/hp ratios are best, I wouldn't say most customers of midsize sedans don't care for that. I mean, most midsize sedan brochures don't have the torque curves for respective engines, or weight/hp figures.
So as far as the midsize segment goes, raw HP and raw torque are more important.



To a degree that is true. However in a car that is underpowered in the grand scheme of cars, the extra power is always nice. You can usually get better mpg with lighter weight, while keeping the power.
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-28-2012 22:19
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s2ktaxi wrote:
I think power to weight ratio is more important than absolute power. These days, the shape of the power/torque curve matters more to most drivers. bragging rights for higher hp is lost on most (though always a nice to have). I, for one, hope the fomula is based on a lighter car, slight hp bump, better handling, and much much better gas mileage. Isn't that the Honda formula of old?



For everyday driving, torque is more important than power.

Historically Honda built low torque, high rpm engine with low gears and very smooth engines.

VTEC sort of changed that as it allowed -under some VTEC modes- to add torque in the bottom while preserving the top end.

But a high revying engine is tiring, no matter how smooth it may be.. and a smooth, wide, flat torque curve can be considered boring.. hence Honda delivered some models with wild VTEC points.. as in the Prelude SH.

I think Honda is moving to higher torque engines with Earthdreams.. this is the whole point of the Atkinson cycle which is volumetrically more efficient. By using VTEC they can still provide a high RPM Otto cycle for power. In essence keeping the power but increasing the torque while keeping the efficiency.

(Note: I wonder if the Civic Si ED will go back to a 2.0 liter with an 8000 rpm redline. The Atkinson cycle on the low end will give it a big bump in torque while still keeping the top end).

And the CVTs provide a more efficient transfer of power.. or rather.. a continuous transfer of power with the potential of greater computer control over the powertrain for emissions control and efficiency.

Phew...

There.

And, yes, I agree, most people don't care, but we do.

Gumbercules
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 17:49
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JDMImport wrote:
I believe you are somewhat right. What buyers care about now is what the EPA rating is first and foremost with styling coming in second. Power, believe it or not, is not as big of a concern as it used to be. All it takes is a test drive for a person to develop their own opinion as to if the car has enough power or not but the EPA estimate hits them in the face and the styling is what gets them noticed by their peers.

Give me a car that looks great and gets good fuel economy and you have a winner, regardless. Just ask Hyundai. They figured it out. Ford has followed suit.

If the Accord has the looks and the EPA rating that at least matches the Altima, Honda would attract more then the Honda loyalist.



The only thing Hyundai figured out was the old GM trick to engineer for best EPA rating, and to market the hell out of HWY only numbers (i.e. "40MPG HWY") and trick consumers to forget about CITY numbers.

2012 Elantra 141 cars, 845,000 miles, 29.9MPG

2012 Sonata 85 cars, 517,000 miles, 26.9MPG

2012 Civic 65 cars, 284,000 miles, 34.7MPG (filtered for gas only)

2012 Accord Only 20 cars @ 26.5MPG but still not like Sonata kills it in MPG.
owequitit
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2012 20:04
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TonyE wrote:
s2ktaxi wrote:
I think power to weight ratio is more important than absolute power. These days, the shape of the power/torque curve matters more to most drivers. bragging rights for higher hp is lost on most (though always a nice to have). I, for one, hope the fomula is based on a lighter car, slight hp bump, better handling, and much much better gas mileage. Isn't that the Honda formula of old?



For everyday driving, torque is more important than power.

Historically Honda built low torque, high rpm engine with low gears and very smooth engines.

VTEC sort of changed that as it allowed -under some VTEC modes- to add torque in the bottom while preserving the top end.

But a high revying engine is tiring, no matter how smooth it may be.. and a smooth, wide, flat torque curve can be considered boring.. hence Honda delivered some models with wild VTEC points.. as in the Prelude SH.

I think Honda is moving to higher torque engines with Earthdreams.. this is the whole point of the Atkinson cycle which is volumetrically more efficient. By using VTEC they can still provide a high RPM Otto cycle for power. In essence keeping the power but increasing the torque while keeping the efficiency.

(Note: I wonder if the Civic Si ED will go back to a 2.0 liter with an 8000 rpm redline. The Atkinson cycle on the low end will give it a big bump in torque while still keeping the top end).

And the CVTs provide a more efficient transfer of power.. or rather.. a continuous transfer of power with the potential of greater computer control over the powertrain for emissions control and efficiency.

Phew...

There.

And, yes, I agree, most people don't care, but we do.



Tony, Honda hasn't favored "low torque" high winding engines in Accords for a long time.

That said, an engine that makes peak power between 6-7K and redlines between 6800-7000 isn't exactly high winding these days. In order to match Honda's outputs, everyone else has had to do the same thing. There are only two ways to make power. Make a smaller engine turn faster, or make a larger engine. Everything in the Accord segment is roughly equivalent on displacement and power, thus having to leverage revs to get the power up. Look at the competition. Everything is pretty much redlining between 6.5-7K and is peaking in the top end. This is an example of how Honda changed the marketplace. That and the additional of a not shitty V6 from Toyota, Honda and Nissan, pretty much finished eradicating the old method of Detroit putting low revving, low tech V6's in their cars.

Also, a wide, flexible torque curve is superior in an application like this, because it provides for more relaxed and even acceleration which is precisely what people in this category want. Do you not prefer the additional flexibility of the K24 you keep spouting about?
danielgr
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Re: Details leak on new 2013 Accord -> pretty old news...    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-03-2012 10:24
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chinofer wrote:
I think we've already known some of these "info." Nevertheless, The Detroit Bureau reports...
Apparently, the folks at Tuscon’s Chapman Honda have decided that the best way to move the outgoing Accords on their lot is by giving customers a preview of the new car.

... Among the details provided by the dealership, it appears the 2013 Honda Accord will include:

- “Niceties” (like) Bluetooth;
- SMS audio text functionality,
- Pandora radio with iPhone interface “all bundled together with a Multi-Information Display (i-MID) system.”

...will feature lane departure warning, forward collision warning and LaneWatch blind spot alert while a backup camera will now become standard on all new Accord models.


http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2012/06/details-leak-on-new-2013-honda-accord/

I'm sure reading this stuff with the word "leak" in the title makes it so much more spicy and interesting than a regular Honda PR but... I really can't see no leak in there... This is 100% public information that has been available for months for anyone interested on Honda stuff.

From Accord Coupe Concept reveal in January 2012:
The new Accord will be available with Honda’s first application of Lane Departure Warning (LDW) and Forward Crash Warning (FCW) technology
[...]
The Accord will be the first model to receive the Honda-exclusive LaneWatchTM blind-spot display
[...]
The Accord will also receive a Multi-Angle Rearview Camera and an Expanded View Driver’s Mirror as standard equipment
[...]
High-tech features that will be found on all 2013 Accord models include Bluetooth®3 HandsFreeLink® phone interface, a full-color intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and an SMS text messaging function, which can read received texts from compatible cell phones aloud over the audio system. Another standard feature and first for the Accord is the introduction of a Pandora® Internet Radio interface4, compatible with the Apple® iPhone®, which works with the vehicle's audio controls and i-MID.

And repeated again in another press release 4/4/2012...
Honda is taking a comprehensive approach to enhancing driver visibility and confidence on the road beginning with the widespread application of rearview cameras on 2013 models. Over 94 percent of Honda's 2013 model lineup1 will be equipped with rearview cameras, with 100 percent of Honda's truck lineup (Crosstour, CR-V, Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline) as well as CR-Z, Accord and Crosstour providing rearview cameras as standard equipment.
[...]
Safety technologies such as Honda's new Forward Collision Warning (FCW) and Lane Departure Warning (LDW) systems will be available on the 2013 Honda Accord and Crosstour. Both systems use a camera mounted behind the windshield to warn drivers of a potential collision in front of them or to alert drivers if the car is unexpectedly moving out of its lane.
[...]
and the Honda-exclusive LaneWatchTM blind-spot display. LaneWatch uses a camera mounted on the passenger mirror to provide an enhanced view of the passenger-side roadway. This unique technology will debut on the 2013 Accord followed by the 2013 Crosstour.
 
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