RTypezCivic
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I'm not a huge fan of the whole push button start thing. I think it's kinda stupid, it's really not the hard to turn the key, but alot of other manufactures out there are going to the keyless start push button system, why is honda still not using it. It's stupid crap like this that strays SOME customers away from the brand.
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BorisHonda
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This is GOOD Honda does not jump on the push button wagon like other...
It is so simple to turn the key and not involve bunch of relays, turn on/off logic and other crap associated with it.
I am strongly against push buttons and leg parking breaks!
In case of emergency, if you are with the passenger on the front seat WHO will stop the car? Truck ahead? Light poll? Any other object ahead?
Way to go Honda!
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kirk
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A feature like push button start gives the Acura brand a reason to exist.
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CrystalFiveMT
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I say Honda is finally doing SOMETHING right for once by not including the stupid faddish push button start that they originated in the S2000. It's silly. How difficult is it to insert a key and twist?
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Koya76
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Honda should go the VW/Audi route.
From up to down with Audi. Down to up with VW. Two parent brands that end up overlapping somewhat but are still successful.
Honda should not decontent their products for Acura's sake. Make Acura great. Make Honda great. They'll both succeed. Otherwise, you're just highlighting the notion that Acuras are dressed up Hondas.
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Trip
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Push button start is not a deal breaker feature for me but if done right, I like it a lot - tho I like it more for the convenience of the keyless entry, not the starting. When I first got my Mazda 6, I was skeptical about it. But after having it for over 3 years now, I love it. It’s totally hands free and does not require the fob to be placed in the dash. I leave the fob in my pocket or back pack, walk up to the car, grab the door handle and the driver’s door opens. There’s an additional “request” switch that I can tap with my thumb and that will open all doors. There’s a button on the trunk I can tap to open, too, and not have to fumble for keys when my hands are full. Fishing for keys just seems like such a hassle now. : ) ~
As for the starting part, it’s OK. It’s been reliable. It is convenient.... Don’t have to twist a key. There’s no cylinder that can wear out after a few years (but there is a hidden key slot for emergency starts). After I tap the button, the car “starts itself” while I put on my seatbelt. On a totally hypothetical related note . . . if I was ever carjacked, I’d step out of the car and as he was driving away, I’d pull the fob out of my pocket and disable the car. Like a thug would think to ask for the keys if the engine was running. Just saying . . . lol
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GoFaster
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Seems like the others were missing the points you raised. I absolutely love it. The "key" (actually a FOB) stays in my pocket and never need to come out. From putting my laptop bag into the trunk, entering the car, starting it, stop at the grocery store, whatever. It just needs to be in my pocket. And the car knows if it is me or my wife and adjusts the seats, mirrors, radio presets... according to the key.
Keyless entry/start is now a must have for me.
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A77
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Believe me Honda loses sales because the car does not have push button start and proximity sensors. Sure the systems have some cons (some say they drain the battery eventually as the proximity sensor is always on) but these cons are outweighed by the pros. And I am amazed no-one has mentioned the safety aspect. Almost everyone piles up their keys on the key ring - which invariably is right in the knee impact zone. Not to mention all the weight of crap attached to the key eventually wearing out the barrel.
Nope, this is nothing less than a lame effort to make people buy Acuras. And increasingly pathetic when bottom feeding Nissans and Kias have a similar features. I don't care that much personally, just like I care nothing for auto on headlights, auto door locking (a stupid feature - least in Hondas it can be disabled - how effing hard is it to press a button), um and so on. But proximity sensors are a nice convenience.
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DCR
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The point is even more simple than that.
When a customer walks in with "The Nissan has XYZ, the Ford has XYZ and the Mazda has XYZ, I noticed the Accord only has X and Y.", it becomes a checkbox game. Everyone here concedes that the "normal" populace doesn't even know that there is an engine in the car, so trying to compete based on that is not going to work.
If you are in the appliance business, you need to sell the best appliances.
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DEman19901
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Push button start is a deal breaker for me. When trading in my 7th gen, I had to move all the way up to a TL w/tech package bypassing the TSX just to get push button start. Now having it for 3 years I can't live without it. Those who say it is just a gimmick are in denial. Now that I am about to move on past my TL, leaving Honda is now an option as it wasn't in the past.
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tsxfan19
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CrystalFiveMT wrote:
I say Honda is finally doing SOMETHING right for once by not including the stupid faddish push button start that they originated in the S2000. It's silly. How difficult is it to insert a key and twist?
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It's not at all difficult. And, while agree keyless access/push-button ignition is a fad, it is increasingly necessary. As a sales consultant at a Honda dealer, it is frustrating to hear a customer say "_____ has push-button start, but your car doesn't..."
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longhorn
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tsxfan19 wrote:
CrystalFiveMT wrote:
I say Honda is finally doing SOMETHING right for once by not including the stupid faddish push button start that they originated in the S2000. It's silly. How difficult is it to insert a key and twist?
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It's not at all difficult. And, while agree keyless access/push-button ignition is a fad, it is increasingly necessary. As a sales consultant at a Honda dealer, it is frustrating to hear a customer say "_____ has push-button start, but your car doesn't..."
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Its not a fad, live with keyless/push button start for a while and one will not want to go back. If its a fad, why does Acura have it?
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A77
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I think by a fad he is saying it shouldnt be a big deal, but increasingly it is. How can a car claim to having leading technology when it does not have this increasingly common feature. People make their decisions primarily over the internet - they have a check list of features they want and if a car doesn't meet it, it may get chopped off the list. Test drive only confirms it's what they want. Such customers we never even get to see. Acuras need to sell on less tangible factors, just like Audis very often do over VWs. Luxury, performance, better stereo, style maybe. It's not feature count - it's quality. Tell me, 4WD apart what distinguishing features does the A4 have that the Passat doesnt?
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TonyEX
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GoFaster wrote:
Seems like the others were missing the points you raised. I absolutely love it. The "key" (actually a FOB) stays in my pocket and never need to come out. From putting my laptop bag into the trunk, entering the car, starting it, stop at the grocery store, whatever. It just needs to be in my pocket. And the car knows if it is me or my wife and adjusts the seats, mirrors, radio presets... according to the key.
Keyless entry/start is now a must have for me.
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What would happen if you and your wife got in the same car both carrying your respective keys?
Which one would the car use to set up the driver's seat and mirrors?
With the "push to use" fob you make an assertion that is recognized by the vehicle.
As they say.. KISS...
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01V6
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GoFaster wrote:
Seems like the others were missing the points you raised. I absolutely love it. The "key" (actually a FOB) stays in my pocket and never need to come out.
Keyless entry/start is now a must have for me.
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Where are the rest of your keys? Poking your leg or behind as you drive? Mine are hanging in the ignition. Keyless entry and feature linking is not the same as push button start. Why is the keyless start itself a must have? Is not take a key out that big a deal?
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greggy23
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Sigh . . . Keys don't poke your legs if they're in your pocket. Stop it.
It's a great feature. Once you have it for a while it's difficult to go back to inserting a key to start the car or having to press the key FOB to open the doors.
It's like automatic adjustable seats. We can live with manual seats but why should we? It's not a deal breaker but it is a nice feature to have.
When shopping for a car that is one of many things I look for. Honda should have it on the new Accord. Nuff said.
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01V6
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greggy23 wrote:
Sigh . . . Keys don't poke your legs if they're in your pocket. Stop it.
It's a great feature. Once you have it for a while it's difficult to go back to inserting a key to start the car or having to press the key FOB to open the doors.
It's like automatic adjustable seats. We can live with manual seats but why should we? It's not a deal breaker but it is a nice feature to have.
When shopping for a car that is one of many things I look for. Honda should have it on the new Accord. Nuff said.
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Automatic seat at least enable you to easily and safely change driving positions while driving. Once the car starts, there is no benefit from the push button start; if anything, as we learned last year, shutting the car off without a key in an emergency is not intuitive.
As I mentioned in another thread, keyless entry and keyless start is not the same issue. So now it's too troublesome to push a button to unlock the door? Ironic that pushing a button to start is a convenience.
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Powered by Honda
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Also gaining power to the windows without inserting key is confusing on some models.
And dont forget the Altima story guy goes to work threw his keys in cabin. Forgot where they landed. Went to work. Forgot to shut car off. *does this mean the altima is so silent?
anyways comes back to a dead no gas car 8hrs later. lol
there are 100's of stories similar YET ALL VERY DIFFERENT!
my fav is the S550 driver going to airport with his keys and his driver was on highway with the car when it detected no key....and began to shut down at 100. the guy survived.
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rancho1
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It might not be available or Honda may make it only available on EX-L or even EX-L WITH NAV or even only on EX-L V6 WITH NAV.
I could see them dropping it from the base LX to meet a low entry starting price point, but on any higher trims it should be standard. EX cloth minimum if not LX-P.
Wasn't long ago you needed nav on an Accord just for bluetooth. Now you "only" need leather for bluetooth.
I have a very heavy bunch of keys I need to carry around that may damage the ignition socket from weight. Having to either carry 2 sets of keys or separate and reconnect the ignition key every time I get in the car is too much of a pain when there are so many alternative cars available with push start and proximity sensors.
2013 Altima has push button start standard on even the most basic cheapest trim level.
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Powered by Honda
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I'll be shocked if they put projectors on the base models.
Just putting regular lights saves about 3 Million a year on the base model only. With an average for 10,000 sales per month. I know the accord sells more then that lol but not all are base models.
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ClementZ
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rancho1 wrote:
It might not be available or Honda may make it only available on EX-L or even EX-L WITH NAV or even only on EX-L V6 WITH NAV.
I could see them dropping it from the base LX to meet a low entry starting price point, but on any higher trims it should be standard. EX cloth minimum if not LX-P.
Wasn't long ago you needed nav on an Accord just for bluetooth. Now you "only" need leather for bluetooth.
I have a very heavy bunch of keys I need to carry around that may damage the ignition socket from weight. Having to either carry 2 sets of keys or separate and reconnect the ignition key every time I get in the car is too much of a pain when there are so many alternative cars available with push start and proximity sensors.
2013 Altima has push button start standard on even the most basic cheapest trim level.
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I have a heavy set of keys as well.
And never have I experienced ignition socket damage.
Your set must be hella hefty then.
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Husker
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rancho1 wrote:
I have a very heavy bunch of keys I need to carry around that may damage the ignition socket from weight. Having to either carry 2 sets of keys or separate and reconnect the ignition key every time I get in the car is too much of a pain when there are so many alternative cars available with push start and proximity sensors.
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TheGandalf
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Husker wrote:
rancho1 wrote:
I have a very heavy bunch of keys I need to carry around that may damage the ignition socket from weight. Having to either carry 2 sets of keys or separate and reconnect the ignition key every time I get in the car is too much of a pain when there are so many alternative cars available with push start and proximity sensors.
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Yup, this would do it.
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longhorn
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01V6 wrote:
greggy23 wrote:
Sigh . . . Keys don't poke your legs if they're in your pocket. Stop it.
It's a great feature. Once you have it for a while it's difficult to go back to inserting a key to start the car or having to press the key FOB to open the doors.
It's like automatic adjustable seats. We can live with manual seats but why should we? It's not a deal breaker but it is a nice feature to have.
When shopping for a car that is one of many things I look for. Honda should have it on the new Accord. Nuff said.
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Automatic seat at least enable you to easily and safely change driving positions while driving. Once the car starts, there is no benefit from the push button start; if anything, as we learned last year, shutting the car off without a key in an emergency is not intuitive.
As I mentioned in another thread, keyless entry and keyless start is not the same issue. So now it's too troublesome to push a button to unlock the door? Ironic that pushing a button to start is a convenience.
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When one uses power windows to close the windows, there is no benefit from having power windows.......should we go back to manual?
Once you use the power lock and lock all of the doors what use is the power locks?
See how easy this line of reasoning is.
You are right though, keyless entry and push button start are two seperate items. The key fob is a sensor that lets the car know when you are near it. To either unlock the car or...................start the car. Thats why they are usually bundled together.
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A77
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My TSX has something even better....a hands free starter....you put the key in the ignition turn it as far as it will go then....without using your hands AT ALL you push that dangly pedal thing on the floor with your foot....and HEY ITS AMAZING...THE CAR STARTS!!!!! whoda believed it? Its magic.
Seriously, there are two reasons tha Altima far outsells the Accord (in canada). Just two. Sometimes ridiculous incentives and push button start. In every other respect it is an inferior car. The coupe by a massive margin.
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Trip
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TonyE wrote:
What would happen if you and your wife got in the same car both carrying your respective keys?
Which one would the car use to set up the driver's seat and mirrors?
With the "push to use" fob you make an assertion that is recognized by the vehicle.
As they say.. KISS...
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Like hands free link, if two paired phones are in the car at the same time, the phone that was last paired with the car is the one that's recognized. The fobs seem to work the same way. I've taken my wife's Lexus to drop her off at work. Even tho I'm driving, it senses her fob. After I drop her off, I stop for gas, when I start the car again, the seats, mirrors, etc... will adjust for me cuz her fob is out of range. Likewise, there haven't been any issues in my Mazda when she's in the car with the 6's spare fob in her purse.
However, I have had issues with Honda's immobilizer keys. I had a girlfriend's Pilot key on my key ring and had occasional starting issues with my Accord. First thing the service manager asked was if I had multiple keys. Sure enough, the handful of issues I had were only during the time that the other key was on my key ring. Once I started keeping it in the armrest, everything was fine.
Why does this remind me of ghost busters . . . "NEVER cross the beams!!!"
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Gfn8r
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TheGandalf wrote:
Husker wrote:
rancho1 wrote:
I have a very heavy bunch of keys I need to carry around that may damage the ignition socket from weight. Having to either carry 2 sets of keys or separate and reconnect the ignition key every time I get in the car is too much of a pain when there are so many alternative cars available with push start and proximity sensors.
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Yup, this would do it.
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What, pray tell, is the third object on that ring??!! :-O
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amagbanua
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TonyE wrote:
GoFaster wrote:
Seems like the others were missing the points you raised. I absolutely love it. The "key" (actually a FOB) stays in my pocket and never need to come out. From putting my laptop bag into the trunk, entering the car, starting it, stop at the grocery store, whatever. It just needs to be in my pocket. And the car knows if it is me or my wife and adjusts the seats, mirrors, radio presets... according to the key.
Keyless entry/start is now a must have for me.
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What would happen if you and your wife got in the same car both carrying your respective keys?
Which one would the car use to set up the driver's seat and mirrors?
With the "push to use" fob you make an assertion that is recognized by the vehicle.
As they say.. KISS...
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I dunno if Acura's implementation is as good as my BMW's, but unless my wife is sitting on my lap with her key fob (hehe), the car's RFID systems are smart enough to figure out who's in the driver's seat. My wife and I have gotten in my 335d with each his/her's key fob and the seat/memory settings were set correctly for the driver.
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ClementZ
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A77 wrote:
My TSX has something even better....a hands free starter....you put the key in the ignition turn it as far as it will go then....without using your hands AT ALL you push that dangly pedal thing on the floor with your foot....and HEY ITS AMAZING...THE CAR STARTS!!!!! whoda believed it? Its magic.
Seriously, there are two reasons tha Altima far outsells the Accord (in canada). Just two. Sometimes ridiculous incentives and push button start. In every other respect it is an inferior car. The coupe by a massive margin.
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The Altima only outsold the Accord in 2011 and thus far this year, while push button start has been offered since 2007.
I doubt push button start has as much an impact on sales as you are making it seem.
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Gfn8r
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Trip wrote:
Push button start is not a deal breaker feature for me but if done right, I like it a lot - tho I like it more for the convenience of the keyless entry, not the starting. When I first got my Mazda 6, I was skeptical about it. But after having it for over 3 years now, I love it. It’s totally hands free and does not require the fob to be placed in the dash. I leave the fob in my pocket or back pack, walk up to the car, grab the door handle and the driver’s door opens. There’s an additional “request” switch that I can tap with my thumb and that will open all doors. There’s a button on the trunk I can tap to open, too, and not have to fumble for keys when my hands are full. Fishing for keys just seems like such a hassle now. : ) ~
As for the starting part, it’s OK. It’s been reliable. It is convenient.... Don’t have to twist a key. There’s no cylinder that can wear out after a few years (but there is a hidden key slot for emergency starts). After I tap the button, the car “starts itself” while I put on my seatbelt. On a totally hypothetical related note . . . if I was ever carjacked, I’d step out of the car and as he was driving away, I’d pull the fob out of my pocket and disable the car. Like a thug would think to ask for the keys if the engine was running. Just saying . . . lol
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With my second Honda (and first Accord--2000 EXL-V6, complete with disintegrating transmission), it always seemed to start easier if I "paused" for a half-second in the "RUN" position, allowing things to "boot up" before turning the key to "START," a habit I still practice on any vehicle to this day.
I've read through a couple Acura manuals online to see how the Honda keyless start works--for a quick start, press the brake pedal and push the START/STOP button; for my "method" to work, it'll take a total of three presses (the third while stabbing the brake) to work--press # 1 is "ACC," # 2 is "RUN," and "START" is # 3. Something for me to get used to--I WILL be getting at least an EXL-V6 Sedan at some point this fall, hopefully after the initial demand cools off a bit, so I would assume such an Accord will be equipped with this feature. (To shut the car off, hit the button one time with the engine running in the tranny in Neutral or Park.)
With all that said, though, I still prefer a key. But if it doesn't break I guess I can live with it--seems as though Acura has had this feature long enough that it's proven itself. (And as far as emergency procedures, the OMs indicate that holding the button or giving it three sharp presses will shut the engine off. If nothing else, drop the transmission into Neutral, or if all else fails with a slushbox, sacrifice the thing by hitting the brakes hard and dropping the thing into Park--once on the shoulder, of course!)
@Trip, is the Mazda system similar--button presses equal the movement of the key between the positions, emergency procedures, etc.? (I saw nothing about the car shutting down if the fob goes out of range with the car running in the Acura OMs.)
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