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In theory, yes because then 6th gear would be geared taller so that the engine can be running at, e.g. a leisurely 2000rpm (for e.g.) and the car cruising at 100kph or more. Only problem is the L15A might not be able to generate enough torque for portions of the journey involving uphill or for overtaking within a reasonable amount of time. It is OK if it is level road but when the journey involves real life roads, then very quickly lots of shifting is needed. Take for e.g. the fallacy many people often have - that to increase a car's top speed, one simply needs to make the top gear ratio tall enough, or add one more gear. People forget that we need the proper amount of power is needed to increase top speed. And in this case low-end torque is needed to support a very tall gear ratio. With a 5AT, how much we need to work the throttle pedal and how often the 5AT kicks down now, will tell us how suitable a 6MT will be. I am afraid, like what Daniel suggests, the little L15A is simply not strong enough to exploit a 6MT. IMA is of course a different story.
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I know you're replying mainly Duncan's post, but I need to check again, always assumed the 6 speed from the RS is not taller gears, but to 'fill in' the gap in between what is missing in the 5 speed at / mt .. and if so I would have been perfectly fine with that. Obviously the engine is weak on the power side, always thought the 6 speed would fix this but means we have to shift more often, but this would match the car's personality anyway.
Maybe the Earth Dream DOHC 1.5 is supposed to solve this problem you just wrote.
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where are you from Mr Taggart?
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There is no need for Daniel to leave just as there is no need for you to leave either; some of us find his participation and tone of value in a discussion like this, just as I’m sure some find yours to be.
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nash24 wrote:
where are you from Mr Taggart?
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My mother's womb. How about you?
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Hondasrule wrote:
There is no need for Daniel to leave just as there is no need for you to leave either; some of us find his participation and tone of value in a discussion like this, just as I’m sure some find yours to be.
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I quote Daniel again:
" I give my opinions and share what I know based on my personal experience whenever I believe it may be beneficial to someone, like I just did. Do not expect everyone to agree, nor do I feel the need to spend countless hours trying to convince everyone. And yes, that makes me an arrogant prick for some, but obviously I see it otherwise.
After over a decade here I personally consider I've given enough of my time and passion. I still think some of my opinions/insights may be useful, but I'm sure not ready to spend my time battling for nothing, I'm not that young anymore, now get though ROI analysis before investing my time. So I give for those that feel like receiving, have not much left for the rest. In your case, in this particular theme, I really have nothing for you, so enjoy your board, enjoy your arguments preeminence and hopefully you have a great self-fulfilling day !!! "
Daniel posts opinions, just like everyone else. And these are based on his personal experiences. This is fine. Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one. The problem is when he makes a significantly HUGE blanket statement like "You know, I've never seen any Japanese boss failing to take responsibility for anything under his/her umbrella. The few that do, really throw themselves into an absolute disgrace as far as other people are concerned. That is how things go over here, both in times of war and peace."
That is pretty broad and sweeping statement and more than just an opinion. Daniel then tries to backtrack after being called and says that he's not going to respond because the challenge was just so factually wrong it is beneath him. That is not an answer, it is just an avoidance, which he does quite often here. If he does not want to take the time to defend what he post that makes him no better than powered by honda.
I also find it funny that Wong KN mirrored that blanket statements are bad, but for some reason Daniel remained silent there.
Then he says he gives to those who feel like receiving. Does he feel he is the wisest of wise dropping down his pebbles of knowledge to the great unwashed masses? Daniel is not hear to have an open discussion of opinions but to just state his own and not be questioned. To me that is arrogant and pretty narcissistic. Look at the bolded text above. What sticks out? Certainly is a lot of 'I's' in there isn't there. Not once does he say he enjoys discussing Honda and Acura or sharing ideas with others and having open discussions. No, Daniel wants you to suckle on his tit of knowledge because of his superior knowledge. Sounds a lot like the current Adminstration in the Whitehouse.
Question: How many times have you seen Jeff, Shawn, or Ryan when questioned about something they have said and respond in Daniels manner?
I am glad that you enjoy his condescending tone. That is your right. But when he pontificates ad nuseum (even though stating how long he has been here doesn't mean anything- if so why post it then?) about how he does an ROI analysis before posting before 'investing' his time because he wants to avoid pointless conversations, then maybe he should not post.
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And as I clearly wrote in my post, while I appreciate the handling, I would gladly trade it for a more comfortable commute.
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What's wrong with gearing down for uphills and overtaking? That's what I've been doing already for the 19 yrs I've been driving stick. Isn't that the whole point of driving manual, to row the gears? (But within reason, of course--rush hour stop-n-go is a different matter altogether).
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The TV thing is old news. Pioneer left the business because they couldn't turn a profit (and yet, nobody even as of today can really beat those Kuro TVs).
Panasonic essentially bought out the business, incorporating patents. Not sure why you say their TV business is derailing when they've still got the best plasmas in the business.
And actually, Sony's LED TVs are also best on the market, albeit horribly expensive. Sony's problem is that it's too big and unfocused.
I don't think what Daniel said was wrong. Hence why the Japanese are outraged at the nuclear incident, and why many are ashamed of the events of WW2. While it's true that Daniel is pretty damn biased at times (but he's still a lovable extremely tall Spanish dude living in Japan), I respect his opinions. He is a long-time member at TOV and well-spoken. Don't be an asshole.
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But Duncan, apparently a lot of the go-kart like handling is due to the hard-ish suspension. I have tested the original 1.3/1.4l i-DSI which has a more comfortable ride and it loses out quite significantly to the 1.5 VTEC in terms of handling, though it is not bad already by others standards.
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WongKN, a lot of the harshness can be eliminated if Honda goes to a better chassis design with better stiffness for the torsion beam pickup points. A car doesn't automatically have to be harsh and bouncy just because it has good handling. Honda needs to continue taming the rear suspension in the Fit if it wants to improve NVH and ride quality.
The powertrains are definitely due for an upgrade too. The L-series has always been the el-cheapo engine in Honda's stable, but a 6 speed AT and MT and refinements to the design could probably maintain power while greatly improving FE.
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Cause you come across as an arrogant ars*hole yourself.
Daniel contributes a lot more than you ever had with information that we enthusiasts want to read and you pull him up on other shit not related to Honda. Why cause of your ego?
I guess your american by your comment about the whitehouse, bringing up the past when honda is a japanese company is pretty stupid.
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CarPhreakD wrote:
WongKN, a lot of the harshness can be eliminated if Honda goes to a better chassis design with better stiffness for the torsion beam pickup points. A car doesn't automatically have to be harsh and bouncy just because it has good handling. Honda needs to continue taming the rear suspension in the Fit if it wants to improve NVH and ride quality.
The powertrains are definitely due for an upgrade too. The L-series has always been the el-cheapo engine in Honda's stable, but a 6 speed AT and MT and refinements to the design could probably maintain power while greatly improving FE. |
Harsh? Maybe I'm the one really outdated, but everything else within thid kind of price range cars I've driven so far is harsher than my current car, the Honda City. Yes, that includes the Honda Civic Hybrid.. (only harsh when going over potholes... it's the closest new Honda I am more familiar with. ) Maybe it is the different absorbers for different region like what others observe.
Bouncy? Yes it is bouncy but doesn't bother me or my pasengers much. I was behind another car today on a trip to neighboring country, I can see the car in front was really punishing the passengers when it goes over the uneven roads, but when it's my turn I expected worse, but going over the bumps it wasn't bad at all. What I like most about it was there was no unnecesary movement from the suspension.. going over bumps it's just going up and down.. thats it... not up, and down, and then you can still feel the up down up down after that. You do feel alot of the road, but that is all, no extra movement other than that..
It would be nice if they have rear independant suspension, but I'm quite happy with how it is now. As for the engine... 130hp or more would be nice, but for me at least I think I hardly use thtat much. The ED would probably have that usable power..
I would actually like to see ECO and Sport button instead.. and have the Sport mode make the throttle more aggresive and doesn't activate the lockup so early on the automatic, it's the lockup in the automatic that makes the feeling you need to push harder like the engine is so underpowered like what WongKN mentioned. Actually, on cold engine, the lockup doesn't activate, and the engine feels and pulls MUCH better to throttle input.. only when warm the lockup gets crazy for fuel economy
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BTW I realize we are talking about totally different models but I just assume the City and Fit (2009+) are nearly identical since they share the same things from below, but I could be entirely wrong of course. And the City also handles like 'go kart' in my opinion, in fact in my opinon best of any car I have driven.. but i do have sway and strat bars installed too... I know it needs more power as it struggle to get above 180kph as many have complained online about it but the fastest I get to is 140 anyway. So anyways I personally think it's a good combo.. good handling, not harsh.. but that is just my puny 2 cents
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CarPhreakD wrote:
The TV thing is old news. Pioneer left the business because they couldn't turn a profit (and yet, nobody even as of today can really beat those Kuro TVs).
Panasonic essentially bought out the business, incorporating patents. Not sure why you say their TV business is derailing when they've still got the best plasmas in the business.
And actually, Sony's LED TVs are also best on the market, albeit horribly expensive. Sony's problem is that it's too big and unfocused.
I don't think what Daniel said was wrong. Hence why the Japanese are outraged at the nuclear incident, and why many are ashamed of the events of WW2. While it's true that Daniel is pretty damn biased at times (but he's still a lovable extremely tall Spanish dude living in Japan), I respect his opinions. He is a long-time member at TOV and well-spoken. Don't be an asshole.
WongKN wrote:
But Duncan, apparently a lot of the go-kart like handling is due to the hard-ish suspension. I have tested the original 1.3/1.4l i-DSI which has a more comfortable ride and it loses out quite significantly to the 1.5 VTEC in terms of handling, though it is not bad already by others standards.
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WongKN, a lot of the harshness can be eliminated if Honda goes to a better chassis design with better stiffness for the torsion beam pickup points. A car doesn't automatically have to be harsh and bouncy just because it has good handling. Honda needs to continue taming the rear suspension in the Fit if it wants to improve NVH and ride quality.
The powertrains are definitely due for an upgrade too. The L-series has always been the el-cheapo engine in Honda's stable, but a 6 speed AT and MT and refinements to the design could probably maintain power while greatly improving FE.
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CarPhreak,
Do you read an entire post so that you get the meaning of the entire message or do you just pick things out? Notice you did not say anything about the situation Mazda is in? The point I was making is that Japanese companies are not perfect and not all of them do not have leaders who admit to mistakes and then apologize. To quote Daniel again "That is how they do it here. In war and in peace." So, my point was that he made a very broad statement that is not true and I posted clear cases that demonstrated this.
But if you want to pick a fight I am more than happy to defend my position.
Let's look at PROFITABLE Japanese TV manufacturers:
Pioneer - nope could not turn a profit. Did they make the best Plasma for viewing movies? Sure, but they did not find a way to do so profitability and did not produce and LED based television and driven from the market. Al those units Sound familiar? I myself still own a 151D. Great movie picture, but it runs hot, has a tendency to burn in, and sports and a video feed from the computer is not that great.
Panasonic - have you seen their financials lately? They are hemorrhaging from the TV business. I will quote some recent articles.
“Panasonic reports $10.2 billion loss for 2012, plasma TV sales fall more than 40 percent”
“Sony, Panasonic Fall to 30-Year Lows as TV Losses Mount.”
Panasonic may make the best plasma today (Which I would agree with you and why I own a 60VT30), but making the best product has nothing to do with effective marketing or profitability. Same with Sony, they may make the best LED TV (Once again I concur, the family room TV is a XBRHX920 as it is the only TV that can handle the glare) but the company is not profitable and headed down the drain.
But what do these all have in common? When has leadership from any of these three companies came out and accepted responsibility and stepped down? When has the head of Panasonic, Sony, or Pioneer come out and said, “You know what, we screwed up our marketing and sales plans. We did not expect that televisions would become commodities so fast and that the average consumer cant’ see the difference between plasma and LED’s and they certainly can’t see any benefits for additional features. An American company, Vizio, and a Korean company, LG, has eaten our lunch. We are either going to get out of the TV business or find a way to make it profitable. By the way, as leader of the company this is my fault, so I am resigning.”
As I pointed out there have been instances of this particularly in the case of JAL123. I have never said that this doesn’t happen but that is wrong to try and portray that is the case all of the time. As I also stated, when it came to things like the nuclear plant issues, much like the current US administration they tried to downplay any risks to some event, and only after being forced with facts to apologize. See the US Justice Department’s handling of Fast & Furious as a similar event. But once again he had applied a blanket statement to the entire country and all forms of leadership. My response to his posts was only to point out this was not always the case.
Isn’t that what Daniel claimed all Japanese leaders do? I repeat what HE said. “That is how they do it here. In war and In peace.” He did not say that is the Honda way or the Japanese Auto Industry way but the entire country, which we know there are never any absolutes in the business world. And YOU yourself point out that he is well spoken so this was no slip of the tongue.
What the Japanese PEOPLE feel or act has nothing to do with my point that what Daniel was painting of Japanese leadership in general which really is factually incorrect.
What I find quite funny is that you can admit that Daniel is quite biased at times (WongKN pointed this out right after my post) but you take offense on calling him out on it. I made no personal attacks on him, and only pointed out rather obvious examples that pointed to flaws in his logic. His response was his usual personal attack, avoidance of the topic, and an attempt to reframe the subject. He then had to post again talking about all he has done all how long he had been here for and how he is here to benefit others. Sounds a bit narcissistic doesn’t it?
All he needed to say was, “You know what, I may have stated this way too generally, from what I know from inside Honda this is not the case.”
I have even stated that Daniel brings insight do to his location and access to information that other members do not, but that does not give him a free pass to not have someone question what he posts. Do you think that the ability to question what someone says is based upon time posting? What is this a union shop? Also, like you stated it is his opinion and he is entitled to it just like everyone else is entitled to theirs.
Just like you are entitled to show your immaturity like you usually do when you decide to curse at someone you disagree with.
Sources: http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/11/3013714/panasonic-financial-results-2012
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-10/sony-falls-to-31-year-low-as-forecast-misses- estimates
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nash24 wrote:
Cause you come across as an arrogant ars*hole yourself.
Daniel contributes a lot more than you ever had with information that we enthusiasts want to read and you pull him up on other shit not related to Honda. Why cause of your ego?
I guess your american by your comment about the whitehouse, bringing up the past when honda is a japanese company is pretty stupid.
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Maybe you have issues with reading an entire post and thread. Go read my reply to CarPhreak To state that someone has made a broad generality, which I did and which WongKN confirmed is not being arrogant, it is attempt to show that broad generalizations are wrong especially applying to the leadership of an entire country when there are clear cases of this occuring. Like I said I pointed out the easy ones.
And how is brining up the past bad? Isn't one supposed to learn from thier past? Please explain yourself.
I am not sure how you come across because I am having a hard time understanding what you say. If I had an ego I would say it is because you must either be inocompetant or ignorant. But I really don't have much of an ego so it may be that English is not your native language, you are busy doing something else, or were rushing to post.
And if I hear what you are saying people are only entitled to opinions based on what they post?
Good day to you sir!
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
TonyE wrote:
CB77 wrote:
I'm not sure I agree with his assertion that the new Earth Dreams series of engines will be as important to Honda as the CVCC engine was. It NEEDS to be, but will it?
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Well, it sounds interesting... Atkinson cycle at the low end for higher volumetric efficiency (read torquier), direct fuel injection for higher efficiency and real VTEC on the top end for power.
And the CVTs are quite the gamble. With a CVT you never disconnect the engine from the drivetrain, hence you CAN get smoother shifts and with a proper computer you can operate in many modes (SMG, RubberBand, AT) and everything in between.
CVCC was all about pollution controls. ED sounds like it but still with power.
ED? Hey, I got some VeaTgraEC for you! :-D
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I knew it was a matter of time before the "ED" and Viagra name would end up in the same post, and for some reason, I knew it would be from you Tony............LOL!
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Already happened...
Besides, did you see the post where Shawn was bemoaning ED engines because he wants power... and I told him that he wanted Viagra instead of ED?
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You always want to be swining free and easy right? When will the ENZ or Enzyte engine make an appearance
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Just want to clarify that my original post was meant to contribute some personal experiences and nothing more. Of the on-going debate of which my post has been mentioned a few times, I just wish to explain that I think both parties have their valid points and both are right and neither wrong. I wish to remain on good terms with both parties so I hope no-one misunderstands my post as 'taking sides'. Thanks.
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Fish-Chan,
The USDM Fit and our Asian/ASEAN Jazz are not exactly identical. So there is a possibility the terms of references with regards to ride, suspension, etc are not the same. Certainly the responsiveness of the engine as well as the consistency of the power output will be different, due to drastically different weather conditions.
Honda Malaysia launched the MMC for the City yesterday. Interestingly the MMC now features an 'ECO' mode for the engine but as usual the product people doesn't know what it does exactly other than it lights up when in conditions optimum for fuel economy. I hope to be able to clarify from an engineer during the media drive for the car.
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WongKN wrote:
Just want to clarify that my original post was meant to contribute some personal experiences and nothing more. Of the on-going debate of which my post has been mentioned a few times, I just wish to explain that I think both parties have their valid points and both are right and neither wrong. I wish to remain on good terms with both parties so I hope no-one misunderstands my post as 'taking sides'. Thanks.
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WongKN
You are good with me. I mentioned you because your statements rang true in that you pressented a personal view that tried to show that there are no absolutes. I also mentioned you because the debate has seemed to center on whether individuals should be immune to having their opinions challenged and whether or not some has to 'make their bones' on the site to challenge the opinions of certain people here.. I did not view your comments as taking a 'side' but one that echoed my concern of painting absolutes. However in your case you were not challenged or ridiculed for daring to post something that differed from the opinion of the original post.
I will gladly admit that your response the the generalization made was many times more eloquent than mine. My comments were made rather quickly because I felt that the original post was so absurd that these rather well know events would show "this is how it is. In war and
Peace" does it ring true as an absolute.
Discussions should not be about sides. It should be about the free expression of ideas and viewpoints without sacred cows or golden idols.
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WongKN wrote:
Fish-Chan,
The USDM Fit and our Asian/ASEAN Jazz are not exactly identical. So there is a possibility the terms of references with regards to ride, suspension, etc are not the same. Certainly the responsiveness of the engine as well as the consistency of the power output will be different, due to drastically different weather conditions.
Honda Malaysia launched the MMC for the City yesterday. Interestingly the MMC now features an 'ECO' mode for the engine but as usual the product people doesn't know what it does exactly other than it lights up when in conditions optimum for fuel economy. I hope to be able to clarify from an engineer during the media drive for the car.
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Well then I am wrong about them, but I have test driven the Jazz and thought they are pretty similar actually, aside from driving position and about everything else up from the wheels that we touch.. As for the MMC, nothing about improvements to the engine? That Eco light, I think is just a light that turns on when the FE reaches a certain 'sweet spot'. I watch my FE meter always and I found that I can reach 15km/l sweetspots even in slow moving jams, but onyl when condition is right. The big change from what I can tell is just the VSA and 5 yr warranty. Other than that it seems they did not put too much effort into this MMC this time around. I hope to read something on it from your point of view though once you have gone to the media drive.
WongKN wrote:
Just want to clarify that my original post was meant to contribute some personal experiences and nothing more. Of the on-going debate of which my post has been mentioned a few times, I just wish to explain that I think both parties have their valid points and both are right and neither wrong. I wish to remain on good terms with both parties so I hope no-one misunderstands my post as 'taking sides'. Thanks. |
To me, it's just a discussions of our passion.... so I am just happy to discuss something with someone... so it is all well from my side.. that aside, can't help but mention that have to see something else unrelated to your posts that happened on this thread........
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Mr. Taggart, you said to me:
| I am glad that you enjoy his condescending tone. |
Here are some highlights you made from his “offending” comments:- I give my opinions and share what I know based on my personal experience
- Do not expect everyone to agree, nor do I feel the need to spend countless hours trying to convince everyone.
- And yes, that makes me an arrogant prick for some, but obviously I see it otherwise.
- …I…, …I’ve…, …I…, …I’m…, …I’m…, …ROI analysis before investing my time…, …I…, …receiving. |
Here are a couple of comments showcasing your tone:- P.S. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....
- Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one. |
Now, regarding the blanket statement issue you started by saying:| The problem is when he makes a significantly HUGE blanket statement like "You know, I've never seen…” |
Let me give you an example of a statement that appears to me more like a blanket one (yes, the type you find insulting): when you said “Sounds a lot like the current Administration in the Whitehouse.” You see, without the “me” as in “Sounds to me” your statement is less personal than Daniel’s, but I'm sure you think that coming from you it's acceptable.
So, before you hyperventilate about someone else’s tone and blanket statements and attack them relentlessly for it, ask yourself if you should be complaining about the very things you seem to under-perform at (generously) in the first place.
When you were bashing nash24 (being condescending? – now way, not you, your against it, we know that), you said: | If I had an ego I would say it is because you must either be inocompetant or ignorant. |
By the way, IMO WonKN impeccably posted his opinion which was different than Daniel's without resorting to baseless attacks or insults and I have no doubt Daniel was not bothered by it. Why? because that's how it can be. You should try it sometime - a little tolerance for those who are and think differently than us can go a long way.
The things is, no one around here is as perfect as you think we should be (not even you, sorry). If you start by accepting that, you might really be able to participate in a more fair, balanced, and open minded way with those who think differently than you. It's OK, there's more to life than "your" truth. Other opinions and styles are valid and acceptable.
Before I finish I should say that I've read your posts in the past and I do believe you bring something to the table and thank you for it.
Now, as painful as this might seem, Daniel has been one of the best contributors this site has ever had and no one can take that away from him. Not even you. Shoot, did I just make a blanket statement? oh well, it happens, I'm just trying to express my view just like Daniel does sometimes.
I sincerely do wish you the best and hope we all get a little better at this, and that of course includes me (I know my tone in this post is not going to be as good as it could be - specially when I read it tomorrow morning - hey, I gave it a shot).
Best Regards.
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Mr Taggart wrote
Maybe you have issues with reading an entire post and thread. Go read my reply to CarPhreak To state that someone has made a broad generality, which I did and which WongKN confirmed is not being arrogant, it is attempt to show that broad generalizations are wrong especially applying to the leadership of an entire country when there are clear cases of this occuring. Like I said I pointed out the easy ones.
And how is brining up the past bad? Isn't one supposed to learn from thier past? Please explain yourself.
I am not sure how you come across because I am having a hard time understanding what you say. If I had an ego I would say it is because you must either be inocompetant or ignorant. But I really don't have much of an ego so it may be that English is not your native language, you are busy doing something else, or were rushing to post.
And if I hear what you are saying people are only entitled to opinions based on what they post?
Good day to you sir!
First you question if i can read!! i read whats important or Honda related material otherwise i scan through the crap.
Secondly why would i want to read more of your postings when you pull people up on non Honda related maters, i'm here to read about Honda not what someone had for dinner or what happened in the past. Especially if you are American, your country has a lot to answer for, but this is a Honda/Acura enthusiast website not where are the W.M.D's etc.
Thirdly i find it funny that you question if english is my first language when i know the difference between their and there, that and i can spell it right as well as the other words you got wrong.
This post may come across as arrogant, but i deleted a lot of what i was going to say in my first post to give you the benefit of the doubt and you jumped in with both feet!
Lastly, i don't post on here much but i appreciate Daniel, Wong, Neal, Shaun and other posters information. I'm here more to gather information for what might be relevant to my market in the future. I have to be careful what i post on here due to confidentiality reasons as this isn't just a hobby to some of us and i like my job
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nash24 wrote:
Mr Taggart wrote
Maybe you have issues with reading an entire post and thread. Go read my reply to CarPhreak To state that someone has made a broad generality, which I did and which WongKN confirmed is not being arrogant, it is attempt to show that broad generalizations are wrong especially applying to the leadership of an entire country when there are clear cases of this occuring. Like I said I pointed out the easy ones.
And how is brining up the past bad? Isn't one supposed to learn from thier past? Please explain yourself.
I am not sure how you come across because I am having a hard time understanding what you say. If I had an ego I would say it is because you must either be inocompetant or ignorant. But I really don't have much of an ego so it may be that English is not your native language, you are busy doing something else, or were rushing to post.
And if I hear what you are saying people are only entitled to opinions based on what they post?
Good day to you sir!
First you question if i can read!! i read whats important or Honda related material otherwise i scan through the crap.
Secondly why would i want to read more of your postings when you pull people up on non Honda related maters, i'm here to read about Honda not what someone had for dinner or what happened in the past. Especially if you are American, your country has a lot to answer for, but this is a Honda/Acura enthusiast website not where are the W.M.D's etc.
Thirdly i find it funny that you question if english is my first language when i know the difference between their and there, that and i can spell it right as well as the other words you got wrong.
This post may come across as arrogant, but i deleted a lot of what i was going to say in my first post to give you the benefit of the doubt and you jumped in with both feet!
Lastly, i don't post on here much but i appreciate Daniel, Wong, Neal, Shaun and other posters information. I'm here more to gather information for what might be relevant to my market in the future. I have to be careful what i post on here due to confidentiality reasons as this isn't just a hobby to some of us and i like my job
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It is pull people in not up Mr. Editor in Chief.
I did not pull anyone into non Honda crap someone made a broad statement about how Japanese leadership conducts itself.
If your 'job' is to scan chat boards than maybe you shouldn't be responding at all and just ignore what you do not like. And btw, it sounds rather pompous to say you would say more but you cannot because of confidentially.
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