Potenza
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Hondarulez wrote:
Relax Potenza, the FR-S is a pretty light car, and it uses a small engine too. 26mpg is nothing too crazy. I mean, Car and Driver managed to get similar mpg in a TSX V6 during a comparison test too.
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DCR
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I think it will be close to my former Si models, at least I would hope so.
Can I use that as a comparison, Potenza?
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DrWhiner
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Hondarulez wrote:
Relax Potenza, the FR-S is a pretty light car, and it uses a small engine too. 26mpg is nothing too crazy. I mean, Car and Driver managed to get similar mpg in a TSX V6 during a comparison test too. It's just that the Genesis with its mighty turbocharged engine is really awful in terms of real world mpg.
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DrWhiner
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Hondarulez wrote:
Relax Potenza, the FR-S is a pretty light car, and it uses a small engine too. 26mpg is nothing too crazy. I mean, Car and Driver managed to get similar mpg in a TSX V6 during a comparison test too. It's just that the Genesis with its mighty turbocharged engine is really awful in terms of real world mpg.
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DrWhiner
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Potenza wrote:
DCR wrote:
I am averaging 30 in my hybrid, so not too bad of a drop given the performance advantages for the FR-S.
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Personally I'll wait and see what you get in your real world FR-S before I start applauding.
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CarPhreakD
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I'm pretty sure FE will be at least somewhat close to the Si. I'm averaging 31 mpg on the highway/city. During my roadtrip from Detroit to Atlantic City/Washington/NYC I actually achieved 40 mpg during a long stretch through Ohio and PA.
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Potenza
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DCR wrote:
I think it will be close to my former Si models, at least I would hope so.
Can I use that as a comparison, Potenza?
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After you've owned the FR-S for awhile, it will be great to see how its efficiency compares to the other cars you've owned.
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DCR
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We'll see. It will be decent I hope.
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FiSH-Chan
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The GT-86 has just launched in my country, just heard it on the radio. I checked it out at the web site and it sells for MYR 243k or about equivalent to USD81000.
For most of us here at least, that is probably far too much for a 2 door 200HP @ 7000rpm car that is really any faster than even with that configuration, especially when hybrids are tax exempt and which makes a CRZ a better deal which is less than half that price.
But, excitied that I should be able to view one up close soon.
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Chocs
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
MYR 243k or about equivalent to USD81000. |
Wow... you sure that ain't a typo?
Wasn't the 86 supposed to be the affordable sports coupe? How does a Civic Type-R's price compare (in Malaysia right?)
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FiSH-Chan
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Chocs wrote:
FiSH-Chan wrote:
MYR 243k or about equivalent to USD81000. |
Wow... you sure that ain't a typo?
Wasn't the 86 supposed to be the affordable sports coupe? How does a Civic Type-R's price compare (in Malaysia right?)
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I forgot what the CTR was priced... I think myr 200k. Not sure. But The myr 243k is correct, it was listed as such in the site. my conversion to usd may not be correct (I just divide 3). Don't know why it was so high but I assume it will be very very limited numbers either that or Toyota thinks we are rich.
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Hondarulez
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wow..USD$81k...........how much does a regular Civic cost??
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EternalShadowAW
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Hondarulez wrote:
wow..USD$81k...........how much does a regular Civic cost??
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In Singapore, an entry level Hyundai can set you back 90000 USD
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Hondarulez
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are you serious???!!
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FiSH-Chan
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Hondarulez wrote:
wow..USD$81k...........how much does a regular Civic cost?? |
Roughly USD 40k... but those Civics are made in Thailand. also well it also depends if it is a hybrid model or not, hybrids are tax exempt so should cost lower. My City is about USD30k (local assembled - and it shows). The Jazz/fit hybrid is about the same price (slightly higher) but is fully imported from Japan.. i think.
EternalShadowAW wrote:
In Singapore, an entry level Hyundai can set you back 90000 USD |
Yup, I know they cost a lot there, but that's mainly because it is such a small country and they don't need it overflowing with cars..
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Midi_Amp
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
Chocs wrote:
FiSH-Chan wrote:
MYR 243k or about equivalent to USD81000. |
Wow... you sure that ain't a typo?
Wasn't the 86 supposed to be the affordable sports coupe? How does a Civic Type-R's price compare (in Malaysia right?)
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I forgot what the CTR was priced... I think myr 200k. Not sure. But The myr 243k is correct, it was listed as such in the site. my conversion to usd may not be correct (I just divide 3). Don't know why it was so high but I assume it will be very very limited numbers either that or Toyota thinks we are rich.
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Indonesia GT86 will be about US$70K.
The CR-Z is US$70K, RX-8 is US$70K, Accord is US$40K and the Civic/Corolla is US$35K.
It's called tax and stupidity. For CR-Z it has double whammy, a two door (more tax) and has two engines (mondo tax). For the rest, sedan is taxed more than utility type cars.
For Singapore, high automotive taxes are given because of government intervention not to overcrowd the road, but the public transportation is good as is so no qualm there. For Indonesia, automotive taxes are less, but convoluted.
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Hondarulez
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I'm glad I live in North America....
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TonyEX
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Hondarulez wrote:
I'm glad I live in North America....
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At least we can chew gum and drive over here. ;-)
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A77
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Most North Americans have no idea how cheap their cars are relative to most other parts of the world. or how cheap their gas is. Or how cheap servicing can be. Given the dollar weakness prices should be far higher - but the size of the market is such it is too important to not let sales slide.
Gum chewing is now allowed in Singapore but I don't think you can buy it there. Who'd want a car in Singapore - their public transport is awesome. Taxis are cheap, clean, plentiful. Just rent a car in Malaysia when you need one.
Friend of mine had a Lotus Elan Sprint when I lived in the Malaysia in the 70s...- it would probably beat any of these....
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DrWhiner
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Midi_Amp wrote:
Indonesia GT86 will be about US$70K.
The CR-Z is US$70K, RX-8 is US$70K, Accord is US$40K and the Civic/Corolla is US$35K.
It's called tax and stupidity. For CR-Z it has double whammy, a two door (more tax) and has two engines (mondo tax). For the rest, sedan is taxed more than utility type cars.
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From the Jakata Globe:“Hybrid cars use a special fuel called pertaDEX. There used to be several gas stations here that sold it, but then it decreased to only three. Now it’s only sold in jerrycans. The stations think, ‘Why bother building an expensive pump specially for pertaDEX when only a few [motorists] buy it?’ ” [...]
“In Indonesia, gas stations sell gasoline that has a high sulfur content. Even too high for the Euro 2 standard" [...]
Under Euro 2, sulfur in gasoline should not exceed more than 500 parts per million (ppm) per liter. In Indonesia, however, most stations sells gasoline that contains up to 3,500 ppm per liter.
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DrWhiner
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BTW, what do you think about the Brio that's coming very, very soon?
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DrWhiner
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EternalShadowAW wrote:
Hondarulez wrote:
wow..USD$81k...........how much does a regular Civic cost??
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How does it work? Elantra is listed at S$110k with $50k rebate. Does it mean after the buyer pays for COE there is a rebate of $50k to fall back on?
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A77
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how's this...
"Every car in Singapore is taxed by an import (Customs) duty, registration fee, an additional registration fee, and road tax. The import duty is 31% of the import value of the car, on top of that, a $1000 Registration Fee is charged for private cars ($5000 for company cars) and on top of that, an Additional Registration Fee (ARF) is charged. The (ARF) is 140% of the Open Market Value (OMV) of the vehicle.
To then get the car on the road, you have to successfully bid for a COE (Certificate of Entitlement) and pay road tax. Road tax brackets are based on the type and weight of the vehicle. After the 10th year, the road tax will rise with an additional 10% per year, up to a maximum of 150% at the 15th year."
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Midi_Amp
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DrWhiner wrote:
Midi_Amp wrote:
Indonesia GT86 will be about US$70K.
The CR-Z is US$70K, RX-8 is US$70K, Accord is US$40K and the Civic/Corolla is US$35K.
It's called tax and stupidity. For CR-Z it has double whammy, a two door (more tax) and has two engines (mondo tax). For the rest, sedan is taxed more than utility type cars.
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From the Jakata Globe:“Hybrid cars use a special fuel called pertaDEX. There used to be several gas stations here that sold it, but then it decreased to only three. Now it’s only sold in jerrycans. The stations think, ‘Why bother building an expensive pump specially for pertaDEX when only a few [motorists] buy it?’ ” [...]
“In Indonesia, gas stations sell gasoline that has a high sulfur content. Even too high for the Euro 2 standard" [...]
Under Euro 2, sulfur in gasoline should not exceed more than 500 parts per million (ppm) per liter. In Indonesia, however, most stations sells gasoline that contains up to 3,500 ppm per liter.
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Uuummm... Good article, but wrong mention about PertaDEX... The DEX is actually Diesel fuel and has sulfur content of 250 ppm. So basically Indonesia has 5 types of fuel, the subsidised RON 88, RON 92, RON 95, subsidized diesel fuel with gazillion sulfur content ppm and the 250 ppm sulfur content (PertaDEX).
I would double check every article about Indonesia, even I stopped reading local news except for entertainment and general information. Any articles from Indonesia except for academic journals are to be read with caution.
About the Brio, I asked my colleague who runs Thailand branch and he said the car was built out of compromises. It is indeed the most powerful econo box compared to its peers, yet the smallish cargo space and the wide open all glass tailgate reduces privacy and security. I heard it's a fun commuter, but nothing else, and for this side of the world where having two cars are considered luxury, the Brio will have to fit elsewhere. At the expected price range, Toyota and Daihatsu Avanza/Xenia is king since it seats 7.
I'd do a proper report when the car came in if anybody haven't cover it first.
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FiSH-Chan
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Midi_Amp wrote:
About the Brio, I asked my colleague who runs Thailand branch and he said the car was built out of compromises. It is indeed the most powerful econo box compared to its peers, yet the smallish cargo space and the wide open all glass tailgate reduces privacy and security. I heard it's a fun commuter, but nothing else, and for this side of the world where having two cars are considered luxury, the Brio will have to fit elsewhere.
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Looks like it actually. The headlights and front end don't look very well thought out, like they use existing manchinery to make the parts, and the front of the design does not look like any other Honda as well... the hatch reminds me of the 2nd gen Civic hatch though, but then tailights still don't look like any other Honda.. if the front had a bit of the city / euro accord design to it and the body a bit of Fit to it might have been better, but as it turns out it reminds me of the 1st gen insight / 5th gen civic designs.
..anyway I called up the local toyota dealer yesterday and asked about the GT86 and they said its by order only, or if there is a roadshow there might be but even the person who answered are not sure. So chances are the only way I could see one if there is someone who fork out MYR243K for the car. I think Toyota thinks we are rich, because the Lexus LS 600h hybrid is listed at nearly MYR1Million... about USD300k+- ! (hybrid tax exempt is only for 2liter below engines) the interesting part is... I think this car does exist in my town!
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owequitit
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A77 wrote:
Most North Americans have no idea how cheap their cars are relative to most other parts of the world. or how cheap their gas is. Or how cheap servicing can be. Given the dollar weakness prices should be far higher - but the size of the market is such it is too important to not let sales slide.
Gum chewing is now allowed in Singapore but I don't think you can buy it there. Who'd want a car in Singapore - their public transport is awesome. Taxis are cheap, clean, plentiful. Just rent a car in Malaysia when you need one.
Friend of mine had a Lotus Elan Sprint when I lived in the Malaysia in the 70s...- it would probably beat any of these....
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Acutally we do. Everyone just assumes we are all ignorant, but it is less ignorance and more of an unwillingness to accept it.
We simply tend to not be as tolerant of having the crap taxed out of us on certain things.
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duncan
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owequitit wrote:
We simply tend to not be as tolerant of having the crap taxed out of us on certain things.
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From an economist POV, taxes applied in the right way can influence the proper behaviours from the masses.
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DrWhiner
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A77 wrote:
how's this...
"Every car in Singapore is taxed by an import (Customs) duty, registration fee, an additional registration fee, and road tax. The import duty is 31% of the import value of the car, on top of that, a $1000 Registration Fee is charged for private cars ($5000 for company cars) and on top of that, an Additional Registration Fee (ARF) is charged. The (ARF) is 140% of the Open Market Value (OMV) of the vehicle.
To then get the car on the road, you have to successfully bid for a COE (Certificate of Entitlement) and pay road tax. Road tax brackets are based on the type and weight of the vehicle. After the 10th year, the road tax will rise with an additional 10% per year, up to a maximum of 150% at the 15th year."
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FiSH-Chan
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duncan wrote:
From an economist POV, taxes applied in the right way can influence the proper behaviours from the masses.
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Correct in the example of Singapore, you don't want people owning more cars in such a small area, they can use their efficient mass transport. It makes sense. For us Malaysians, it doesn't. Mass transport is a big fail in my area at least, even the buses services are big failure.. you can never get to work on time with those buses, and they cost too much, you can own a car with a monthly payment that is less than taking a bus every month.. and we are paying the tax on foreign brands only because our government wants to protect its fail car companies (and most people, like me still buy foreign brands anyway, because it's THAT bad... and some of you think GM is bad).
Anyway off topic. I asked some die hard Toyota fans all of them are either waiting for the used ones or think that it's ridiculous to pay so much for their car. I think this will not sell to expectations for this region.
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