Zoopa
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I noticed the new ILX and RDX do not have tail pipes. While this may provide a cleaner look, I prefer spherical, 4" dual exhaust's used in the first-gen TSX and previous generation TL Type-S. I think Gordon Murray correctly said that exhaust pipes need to the circular, rather than integrated into bumpers or trapezoidal (e.g., MDX, TL).
Is the new RLX going to shun exhaust pipes or is it too early to tell? If Acura is going to hide exhaust pipes behind the bumper, is this simply to prepare customers for the electrification of the automobile, or is Acura chasing after customers (e.g., Lexus ES buyers) who simply don't care about such details.
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Zoopa wrote:
I noticed the new ILX and RDX do not have tail pipes. While this may provide a cleaner look, I prefer spherical, 4" dual exhaust's used in the first-gen TSX and previous generation TL Type-S. I think Gordon Murray correctly said that exhaust pipes need to the circular, rather than integrated into bumpers or trapezoidal (e.g., MDX, TL).
Is the new RLX going to shun exhaust pipes or is it too early to tell? If Acura is going to hide exhaust pipes behind the bumper, is this simply to prepare customers for the electrification of the automobile, or is Acura chasing after customers (e.g., Lexus ES buyers) who simply don't care about such details.
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German cars of the late 90's and early 2000's hid the pipes.
Honda is now at that stage. Hearing some of the reviews of the ILX over 3 stated "feels like a bmw" it makes sense that Honda is now currently making german car feel of 10 years ago. O.o
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The Legend
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Powered by Honda wrote:
Honda is now at that stage. Hearing some of the reviews of the ILX over 3 stated "feels like a bmw" it makes sense that Honda is now currently making german car feel of 10 years ago. O.o
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meanwhile Cadillac somehow found the secret recipe (some say the Holy Grail) for BMW e36/46s needed to make the ATS.
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integrator
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That argument doesn't make a lot of sense... tying the hiding of tailpipes to the way the car drives like a BMW, so I might not be picking up on the direction of your logic.
The point about electrification is interesting... preparing us for not seeing tailpipes. But in all reality, its probably simpler... like a manager got out of a car and into the trunk and didn't like having hot gases on his shins, or maybe just eliminating the chrome trim pieces on the tailpipe to save a little money. Even if its only a couple dollars per vehicle, that couple dollars x 10,000's is a bunch more profit when added to the regular profit margin.
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Mikeydred
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I love Honda/Acura and could never see myself driving anything else, but I agree it is a cost savings measure and not a green image or whatever anyone else wants to claim. An exhaust integrated into a bumper is more costly to make and repair than one not integrated or even better non visible.
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BalIermd
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I think it's a cost saving measure as well and I'm glad Acura is going with the "less is more" theme, as apposed to the cluttered look of the 2009 TL's rear end. If the design is nice enough, the hidden exhaust will work, as is the case with the RDX and ILX. I think we'll see other automakers follow Acura's lead on this one.
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The Legend wrote:
Powered by Honda wrote:
Honda is now at that stage. Hearing some of the reviews of the ILX over 3 stated "feels like a bmw" it makes sense that Honda is now currently making german car feel of 10 years ago. O.o
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meanwhile Cadillac somehow found the secret recipe (some say the Holy Grail) for BMW e36/46s needed to make the ATS.
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Thats what I'm banking on...lol can't wait to drive the ATS 2.0T
Everyday I try to read for more info on ATS development.
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integrator wrote:
That argument doesn't make a lot of sense... tying the hiding of tailpipes to the way the car drives like a BMW, so I might not be picking up on the direction of your logic.
The point about electrification is interesting... preparing us for not seeing tailpipes. But in all reality, its probably simpler... like a manager got out of a car and into the trunk and didn't like having hot gases on his shins, or maybe just eliminating the chrome trim pieces on the tailpipe to save a little money. Even if its only a couple dollars per vehicle, that couple dollars x 10,000's is a bunch more profit when added to the regular profit margin.
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Its kinda a joke. Also, it is not for costs. I think having a cut out would save plastic over millions of units sold. Then just puting a downward angle exhaust like the old 5 series.
I think its for a CLEAN no mess look. A NEAT look. Look at me I'm not really a car...I'm a mystical piece of tech that can move and take you from A to B a glorious world of climate control and HD sound!
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eneka
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higher end BMW's used to have hidden exhausts, now they're integrated with the bumpers
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integrator
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I sort of think people like to see the tailpipes and manufacturers go to great lengths in some cases to add it into the design consideration because there's a subconscious connection to it making the car faster.... like seeing rockets on the back or the outlet of a jet engine.... its the perception of speedy capability.
I whole heartedly agree with the commenter that mentioned the overwrought TL's rear and applauded the simpler look. I LOVE the ILX's rear, but the TL/ZDX thing about the rear look mirroring the front...terrible idea.... simple great design can be better.
Having said all that, I do appreciate a car with a downturned exhaust every time theres one in front of me in traffic (instead of pumping exhaust toward my ventilation inlets).
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shaymasdaddy
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I agree. This is a refreshing, clean look that a flagship sedan should have.....it is not a sports sedan although it should handle very well. In this case, less is definitely MORE!!!!
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