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notyper wrote:
saitamahonda wrote:

Wow, and astronauts never landed on the moon too? Carbon emissions are bad period. Dioxide and monoxide both. Carbon dioxide not so bad since plants can use it to GROW. Oh but wait, we cut down many rainforests, there are far less trees to use the carbon and convert it into oxygen. Humans affect the planet in adverse ways, and the Japanese want the best quality of life and in order to achieve that they want to reduce gasoline combustion emissions. Honda is striking a balance with its products with the fit ev coming out this summer. Why don't you give it a test drive and see what an ev car can deliver in terms of fun? If doesn't suit you get something that you like. Don't go around touting political ignorance, it doesn't make you sound very credible at all.

Here we go again. Acuse someone of ignorance while you're spouting bullshit? That's a paddlin. Tell me, even listening to the global warmistas out there, have temperatures gone up over the last decade? Yeah, that's what I thought, no, even though CO2 levels have increased.

I'm so sick of people like you parroting ridiculous lines. Carbon emissions are bad, period? Ok, stop emitting then. Just stop. Stop breathing you stupid fucking idiot. Take your own medicine you simpering hypocrite.

Here's a little tip for you before you off yourself tonight. Human beings are also part of nature. We affect our environment like everything else. That we are the most prolific builders and the species most capable of impacting our environment does nothing to change that, but it also doesn't mean that our changes are bad per se.

What you're saying is that the changes that mankind makes to its environment are less preferable than the changes that other species make. Good to know. In which case, again, you should stop breathing. You and I are mortal enemies because you believe that humans are less preferable to others. I happen to like my species and, if forced to choose, will always choose humanity.

Sad thing is, if you'd actually look deeper into the facts, you wouldn't be so inclined to remove yourself from the population. On average, forest cover in the world is doing quite well. Net forest cover in North America, Central America, Australia, Europe and Asia has actually been flat to slightly increasing over the last 15 years. It's only in the poorest regions like Africa and parts of South America where forest coverage has suffered. Why? People need the land to grow food, they need wood for fuel, they need to survive, and they are living in a relatively primitive state. But you know what, as the standard of living comes up and these populations can begin using more efficient fuels (like oil, gas, etc.) the rate of deforestation will come down, and then, eventually, it'll even go up. It's all part of the natural balance. A growing human population will change the makeup of its environment towards more food crops and fewer forests until such time as equilibrium is reached (meaning the human population minimizes malnourishment/starvation, reaches a certain standard of living, birth rates level off or decline, etc.).

In the meantime, plants love CO2. In fact, they love it in very high concentrations. Below about 250ppm, photosythesis suffers, below 200ppm it nearly stops. We were only in the 280ppm range 100 years ago. C3 plants, such as rice, wheat, soybeans, and most vegetables and fruits dramatically increase their efficiency as CO2 levels climb well past 1000ppm. Not only that, they use less water as CO2 levels climb.

So instead of worrying about CO2 because someone who wants to make money off of carbon taxes and control your lifestyle told you that its bad, you should be spending your time helping, investing or campaigning for the rapid dissemination of modern technology to sub-saharan Africa and the wilds of South America. Work to provide them with inexpensive ways to filter water, have electricity, fossil fueled cars, modern medicine and such. The faster their standards of living and life expectancy come up, the sooner their birth rates will stabilize, their rate of deforestation will come down, and they'll be contributing more to the overall world economy. Win-win for everyone. And maybe you won't feel the need to end it all. You may be an idiot, but you're still human and I'd hate to see you go.

SC