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And Lexus RX don't get too comfortable either. It's a bigger challenge, but it looks like they might be able to steal enough sales from Lexus as well.
I've been to a couple of local dealerships and asked the sales guys about how the RDX is doing, everyone seemed pretty excited about the amount they were selling.
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The RDX product planner needs to be promoted to oversee all acura designs. This is one vehicle that has hit the mark spot on.
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Absolutely!!! Waiting for TSX69's Sales Comparison report.
Doesn't seem to cannibalizing MDX sales. MDX still up similar to Pilot & Odyssey. That means purely stealing away other competitors sales...nice. Even the TSX wagon increased sales.
Oh wait, maybe its stealing sales from the ZDX...nah!
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Q5 2,332 2,222 5.0%
X3 2,460 2,350 4.7%
RX 10,647
Good for Acura, but it seems impact on Germans and Lexus seems small thus far.
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98EX4cyl
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99SI wrote:
The RDX product planner needs to be promoted to oversee all acura designs. This is one vehicle that has hit the mark spot on.
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Don't Acura product planners too much credit, if you go back to the 1st Gen RDX release a lot of the ideas in the 2nd Gen (V6, more comfortable ride, larger rear passenger space, less road noise) were expressed on TOV forums. Maybe they'll pay closer attention to our feedback from now on??
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dominik331
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98EX4cyl wrote:
Absolutely!!! Waiting for TSX69's Sales Comparison report.
Doesn't seem to cannibalizing MDX sales. MDX still up similar to Pilot & Odyssey. That means purely stealing away other competitors sales...nice. Even the TSX wagon increased sales.
Oh wait, maybe its stealing sales from the ZDX...nah!
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IMO, it shouldn't if much. As a MDX owner, I like the new RDX but have not considered ever to trader for the RDX, "yet".
The MDX offers the perfect blend when it comes to a Mid-size SUVs. I've noticed other MDX owners on other forums asking for a bigger MDX if anything, specially the third row seats. (Not me).
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98EX4cyl wrote:
99SI wrote:
The RDX product planner needs to be promoted to oversee all acura designs. This is one vehicle that has hit the mark spot on.
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Don't Acura product planners too much credit, if you go back to the 1st Gen RDX release a lot of the ideas in the 2nd Gen (V6, more comfortable ride, larger rear passenger space, less road noise) were expressed on TOV forums. Maybe they'll pay closer attention to our feedback from now on??
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^^ DEBBIE DOWNER!!!!
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I'm pleasantly surprised that RDX is not eating into any MDX sales.
This is good for the MDX.
Once MDX is redesigned, which will likely have a more useful 3rd row set, I'd only imagine MDX appeal increasing further.
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It's simple math. In Canada, a fully loaded RDX lists for $43,990. The RX350 has an MSRP starting at $44,950 (Cdn.) and can be optioned out (in terms of packages) as high as $62,250.
The RDX delivers fuel economy of 10.7L/100 km city and 7.3L/100 km highway. The RX350 is rated at 11.8L/100 km. city and 8.3L/100 km highway. Yet the RDX has a curb weight of 1,749 Kg vs. the 1,970 kg. the RX350 sports. That's about 487 pounds. Meanwhile the RDX motor is rated at 273 hp at 6200 RPM, with 251 ft. lbs. of torque at 5,000 RPM vs. the Lexus delivering 270 hp. at 6200 RPM and 248 ft. lbs. at 4,700 RPM.
With two engines producing similar numbers yet one given nearly 500 lbs. less weight to pull, clearly the advantage is to the Acura.
That one litres per 100 kilometres in fuel consumption reduction, translates to 1,000 fewer litres for every 100,000 Km. travelled. Right now in Canada we're paying something like $1.25 a litre and have paid higher this year already.
Over the course of that 100,000 kilometres, we're talking a minimum of $1,200 and possibly as much as $2,000.
Let's say $1,500 + at least $6,000 (including taxing and financing charges) in initial purchase. Based on my experience as both an Acura and a Lexus owner, I would guess the Lexus would be more expensive to maintain. Let's throw another $800 into the pot for that one.
So it would not be unreasonable to consider the Lexus to be something like $8,300 more expensive to purchase and run for 100,000 km here in Canada. Not sure how others feel but it seems to me that a car would have to be a magnitude better to warrant paying $8,300 more. All the RDX has to be is reasonably close in feel all-around to blow the RX out of the water, considering it is in another class entirely in terms of cost of ownership.
My guess is that the RDX holds up well enough compared to rival products like the Lexus so if it sells well, no surprise.
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CarmB wrote:
It's simple math. In Canada, a fully loaded RDX lists for $43,990. The RX350 has an MSRP starting at $44,950 (Cdn.) and can be optioned out (in terms of packages) as high as $62,250.
The RDX delivers fuel economy of 10.7L/100 km city and 7.3L/100 km highway. The RX350 is rated at 11.8L/100 km. city and 8.3L/100 km highway. Yet the RDX has a curb weight of 1,749 Kg vs. the 1,970 kg. the RX350 sports. That's about 487 pounds. Meanwhile the RDX motor is rated at 273 hp at 6200 RPM, with 251 ft. lbs. of torque at 5,000 RPM vs. the Lexus delivering 270 hp. at 6200 RPM and 248 ft. lbs. at 4,700 RPM.
With two engines producing similar numbers yet one given nearly 500 lbs. less weight to pull, clearly the advantage is to the Acura.
That one litres per 100 kilometres in fuel consumption reduction, translates to 1,000 fewer litres for every 100,000 Km. travelled. Right now in Canada we're paying something like $1.25 a litre and have paid higher this year already.
Over the course of that 100,000 kilometres, we're talking a minimum of $1,200 and possibly as much as $2,000.
Let's say $1,500 + at least $6,000 (including taxing and financing charges) in initial purchase. Based on my experience as both an Acura and a Lexus owner, I would guess the Lexus would be more expensive to maintain. Let's throw another $800 into the pot for that one.
So it would not be unreasonable to consider the Lexus to be something like $8,300 more expensive to purchase and run for 100,000 km here in Canada. Not sure how others feel but it seems to me that a car would have to be a magnitude better to warrant paying $8,300 more. All the RDX has to be is reasonably close in feel all-around to blow the RX out of the water, considering it is in another class entirely in terms of cost of ownership.
My guess is that the RDX holds up well enough compared to rival products like the Lexus so if it sells well, no surprise.
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Except it doesn't blow the RX out on anything and is a class below the RX so apples to oranges. The RX sold over 10,000 units last month even as the RDX sold its best ever 3,000 units. People know the difference between the segment leader thus the continued success of the RX. The RX has way to many features that the RDX doesn't even offer. Some of you want to believe its RX competition and Acura wants you to believe it too (down to a similar name) but its not.
The RX is the real deal with a hybrid and now F-sport model, the RDX is there to please loyal Honda fans and did very well it's first month.
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All I have been reading about is the gangbuster success of the RDX. I didn't realize that the Lexus sold three times as many.
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98EX4cyl
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NSXforever wrote:
CarmB wrote:
It's simple math. In Canada, a fully loaded RDX lists for $43,990. The RX350 has an MSRP starting at $44,950 (Cdn.) and can be optioned out (in terms of packages) as high as $62,250.
The RDX delivers fuel economy of 10.7L/100 km city and 7.3L/100 km highway. The RX350 is rated at 11.8L/100 km. city and 8.3L/100 km highway. Yet the RDX has a curb weight of 1,749 Kg vs. the 1,970 kg. the RX350 sports. That's about 487 pounds. Meanwhile the RDX motor is rated at 273 hp at 6200 RPM, with 251 ft. lbs. of torque at 5,000 RPM vs. the Lexus delivering 270 hp. at 6200 RPM and 248 ft. lbs. at 4,700 RPM.
With two engines producing similar numbers yet one given nearly 500 lbs. less weight to pull, clearly the advantage is to the Acura.
That one litres per 100 kilometres in fuel consumption reduction, translates to 1,000 fewer litres for every 100,000 Km. travelled. Right now in Canada we're paying something like $1.25 a litre and have paid higher this year already.
Over the course of that 100,000 kilometres, we're talking a minimum of $1,200 and possibly as much as $2,000.
Let's say $1,500 + at least $6,000 (including taxing and financing charges) in initial purchase. Based on my experience as both an Acura and a Lexus owner, I would guess the Lexus would be more expensive to maintain. Let's throw another $800 into the pot for that one.
So it would not be unreasonable to consider the Lexus to be something like $8,300 more expensive to purchase and run for 100,000 km here in Canada. Not sure how others feel but it seems to me that a car would have to be a magnitude better to warrant paying $8,300 more. All the RDX has to be is reasonably close in feel all-around to blow the RX out of the water, considering it is in another class entirely in terms of cost of ownership.
My guess is that the RDX holds up well enough compared to rival products like the Lexus so if it sells well, no surprise.
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Except it doesn't blow the RX out on anything and is a class below the RX so apples to oranges. The RX sold over 10,000 units last month even as the RDX sold its best ever 3,000 units. People know the difference between the segment leader thus the continued success of the RX. The RX has way to many features that the RDX doesn't even offer. Some of you want to believe its RX competition and Acura wants you to believe it too (down to a similar name) but its not.
The RX is the real deal with a hybrid and now F-sport model, the RDX is there to please loyal Honda fans and did very well it's first month.
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If Acura is smart (and its possible) they will boost production of the RDX in the next few months. I can see it passing the MDX in monthly sales, its a great package.
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Hondarulez
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NSXforever wrote:
CarmB wrote:
It's simple math. In Canada, a fully loaded RDX lists for $43,990. The RX350 has an MSRP starting at $44,950 (Cdn.) and can be optioned out (in terms of packages) as high as $62,250.
The RDX delivers fuel economy of 10.7L/100 km city and 7.3L/100 km highway. The RX350 is rated at 11.8L/100 km. city and 8.3L/100 km highway. Yet the RDX has a curb weight of 1,749 Kg vs. the 1,970 kg. the RX350 sports. That's about 487 pounds. Meanwhile the RDX motor is rated at 273 hp at 6200 RPM, with 251 ft. lbs. of torque at 5,000 RPM vs. the Lexus delivering 270 hp. at 6200 RPM and 248 ft. lbs. at 4,700 RPM.
With two engines producing similar numbers yet one given nearly 500 lbs. less weight to pull, clearly the advantage is to the Acura.
That one litres per 100 kilometres in fuel consumption reduction, translates to 1,000 fewer litres for every 100,000 Km. travelled. Right now in Canada we're paying something like $1.25 a litre and have paid higher this year already.
Over the course of that 100,000 kilometres, we're talking a minimum of $1,200 and possibly as much as $2,000.
Let's say $1,500 + at least $6,000 (including taxing and financing charges) in initial purchase. Based on my experience as both an Acura and a Lexus owner, I would guess the Lexus would be more expensive to maintain. Let's throw another $800 into the pot for that one.
So it would not be unreasonable to consider the Lexus to be something like $8,300 more expensive to purchase and run for 100,000 km here in Canada. Not sure how others feel but it seems to me that a car would have to be a magnitude better to warrant paying $8,300 more. All the RDX has to be is reasonably close in feel all-around to blow the RX out of the water, considering it is in another class entirely in terms of cost of ownership.
My guess is that the RDX holds up well enough compared to rival products like the Lexus so if it sells well, no surprise.
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Except it doesn't blow the RX out on anything and is a class below the RX so apples to oranges. The RX sold over 10,000 units last month even as the RDX sold its best ever 3,000 units. People know the difference between the segment leader thus the continued success of the RX. The RX has way to many features that the RDX doesn't even offer. Some of you want to believe its RX competition and Acura wants you to believe it too (down to a similar name) but its not.
The RX is the real deal with a hybrid and now F-sport model, the RDX is there to please loyal Honda fans and did very well it's first month.
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I think CarmB's comparison is between RDX tech vs a slightly loaded RX350....not a RX350 with the $17.9k Ultra Premium Package. That's the package that would make the RX350 into a CAD$63k car.
In Canada, RX350 with the Touring Package is comparable to the RX tech in terms of features and the car would cost $55k.
The RX350 is perhaps a class above the RDX, and it probably has a more luxurious feel to it. But when you consider the price difference and fuel efficiency, you will then understand his argument.
Now, the Civic & Corolla are selling like hot cakes, does that mean they are a class above the others? What Lexus and the RX have are quality, and most importantly reputation. The RX will stay on top for a while for that reason alone, just like the Civic.
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