NSXforever
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Congrats!
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Trip
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superchg2 wrote:
DCR wrote:
The FR-S has what Honda used to have...it wakes passion in me. I held on with Honda. I tried.
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Since Honda seems to have lost (or dismissed) their passion,
many of us may simply have no choice but to look for it elsewhere.
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QFT x2
Congrats on the purchase. Looking forward to hearing feedback once you're behind the wheel.
While I like lighter colors for easier upkeep, they don't shine or have the depth that darker colors do. The blue looks awesome.
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retired
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DCR,
You have a thing for blue. Stay with blue.
On a practical note, I have a white Civic. When the paint is
scratched or chipped away, black (primer?) underneath is
revealed and makes the damage very obvious.
My previous silver Accord was grey underneath and
thus damage was much less obvious.
I had a 1993 Civic that was dark charcoal grey with white
underneath.
If I know what is underneath the paint, it will affect
my next colour choice. Does anyone know how we can
find out what is underneath each colour?
Cheers.
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DCR
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I am not sure how you could tell what is under the paint prior to a chip.
An interesting thing I read a bit ago too...surprising what an enthusiast model can do for your brand:
http://www.jconline.com/article/20120601/BUSINESS/306010062/Subaru-continues-setting-sales-records?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE&gcheck=1&nclick_check=1
Also in May, Subaru reported initial sales results — 271 units — for the BRZ, a made-in-Japan sports car that is turning some heads.
The company on Friday also reported total vehicle year-to-date sales of 136,602, a 22 percent gain over the first five months of 2010.
“Subaru continues to have strong sales fueled by strong and desirable products such as the new Impreza. The excitement surrounding the BRZ sports car is ... invigorating the brand with new consumers interested in checking out what Subaru has to offer,” said Kristen Andersson[ cq], senior analyst at TrueCar.com, a car buying site based in Santa Monica, Calif.
“With continued new products, an improving economy along with easier credit lending, Subaru will continue to post strong sales throughout the remainder of the year.”
Bill Cyphers, senior vice president of sales at Subaru of America, said arrival of the BRZ helped increase traffic in the company’s showrooms. |
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Makes me wonder as to what kind of excitement a production HSV-010 could bring to a showroom!?!
Make it a Honda since Acura will have the NSX 2.0 in a couple of years.
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DCR
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When I saw that prototype running the "Ring, I thought they were going to release that car for sure. The damn thing looked like a ready to roll production car.
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That TRD kit is absolutely gorgeous (well, except for the front)! Great decision.
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Congratulations, man. Excellent choice!
I rag on Toyota a lot, but they've actually produced a car in the FR-S that I would happily own.
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DrWhiner
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funny u just said a Subaru dealership felt like a funeral home.
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330R
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DrWhiner wrote:
funny u just said a Subaru dealership felt like a funeral home.
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That's what you came in here to say? That? Nothing about, you know, the CAR? I don't know if you've ever been inside more than one dealership before, but atmosphere isn't always the same between them. Some are alive, some are stuffy, some are empty, some are relaxed, some are pushy as hell.. if you even manage to get past the sharks circling the lot. For a given dealership, the atmosphere can vary depending on the day of the week or the time of day.
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DCR wrote:
I am not sure how you could tell what is under the paint prior to a chip.
An interesting thing I read a bit ago too...surprising what an enthusiast model can do for your brand:
http://www.jconline.com/article/20120601/BUSINESS/306010062/Subaru-continues-setting-sales-records?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE&gcheck=1&nclick_check=1
Also in May, Subaru reported initial sales results — 271 units — for the BRZ, a made-in-Japan sports car that is turning some heads.
The company on Friday also reported total vehicle year-to-date sales of 136,602, a 22 percent gain over the first five months of 2010.
“Subaru continues to have strong sales fueled by strong and desirable products such as the new Impreza. The excitement surrounding the BRZ sports car is ... invigorating the brand with new consumers interested in checking out what Subaru has to offer,” said Kristen Andersson[ cq], senior analyst at TrueCar.com, a car buying site based in Santa Monica, Calif.
“With continued new products, an improving economy along with easier credit lending, Subaru will continue to post strong sales throughout the remainder of the year.”
Bill Cyphers, senior vice president of sales at Subaru of America, said arrival of the BRZ helped increase traffic in the company’s showrooms. |
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How hard do you think it could be for Honda to dust off most of the S2000 tooling, convert it to coupe, drop in a K22, offer six speed manual and clutchless-auto (for volume), make it an Acura and sell it for around $30K? Instant competitor to the BRZ/FRS. I think it would generate a hell of lot more buzz and traffic to Acura showrooms than the ILX. I am pretty sure they could sell 500-1000 of them each month.
They could add a lot of personalization options like Mini and Scion, update it every 4-6 years like the Porsche 911 or Miata (minor changes, but keep a timeless look), just don't let it die on the vine.
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DCR
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Acura could use something like that...imagine if this was an Acura with this type of review:
http://youtu.be/tPoZ1SC8uwk
They would have people kicking the doors down.
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Spearsoft wrote:
DCR has made this site considerable less enjoyable. I've seen a lot of trolls come through, but god damn, that guy has a shitty outlook on life and is just a real downer.
You'd think he gets paid to do it with the amount of time he spends on these forums bitching about new Hondas.
Man up and move on if you don't like Honda. You can cry all day about the yore, but really, no one cares.
I usually skip over this guy's posts on most threads, but it's annoying when he's able to draw so much attention to himself and derail topics, throwing personal insults at other board members.
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You totally nailed it. It's too bad this forum doesn't have an ignore member like most modern forum are capable of. I'm willing to wager this is just a stunt and he has no intention of buying the TuRD. Just like his post after post how horrible the new CR-V is then bought one. Seems to be a trend to garner attention. Like the fat kid that acts up in class to get attention. Damn, I can't believe I actually posted to one of his threads. I guess the fat kid in the corner acting out usually gets their way.
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Our harmony is upset enough.
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DCR
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mobis21 wrote:
You totally nailed it. It's too bad this forum doesn't have an ignore member like most modern forum are capable of. I'm willing to wager this is just a stunt and he has no intention of buying the TuRD. Just like his post after post how horrible the new CR-V is then bought one. Seems to be a trend to garner attention. Like the fat kid that acts up in class to get attention. Damn, I can't believe I actually posted to one of his threads. I guess the fat kid in the corner acting out usually gets their way.
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You would be invisible, as the ignore would have been slapped on you the second you arrived.
Want to wager on whether or not I get the FR-S? Put your money where your mouth is, tough guy.
Also, you can continue with the name calling if you want, but I prefer to be called "big boned". Of course, if you can be fat with between 6-7% body fat, then yeah, guess I am.
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For my money, a lot of us on TOV are like DCR, in that we wish Honda would get back to building cars that are fun to drive.
If you don't like what DCR has to say you don't have to respond,
but the reality is that he is just speaking his mind, and isn't that what TOV is all about?
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Speaking of opinions, I'd like to see the same level of critical review as shown here for the Honda products applied to the FRS/BRZ. Where is the cover for the cupholders? What about the cheap looking interior plastics? How can it use a strut front suspension design? Why is it underpowered? Is a 7500 RPM redline adequate?
Is it possible that all of those things are secondary to the overall question of whether a car hits its intended targets, looks great, drives nicely, and is reasonably priced? Driving reviews for the FRS are now available. Is it possible the '12 Si delivers 80% to 90% of the fun compared to the FRS but also offers a backseat and a decent trunk, probably a lower theft rate considering how popular the FRS/BRZ cars are proving to be, easier maintenance, a sticker price which is 10% to 20% cheaper, and at the moment has more support for racing.
I doubt the latter will last though and I'd like to see the FRS/BRZ cars hit the SCCA/NASA tracks in the US.
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Grace141 wrote:
Speaking of opinions, I'd like to see the same level of critical review as shown here for the Honda products applied to the FRS/BRZ. Where is the cover for the cupholders? What about the cheap looking interior plastics? How can it use a strut front suspension design? Why is it underpowered? Is a 7500 RPM redline adequate?
Is it possible that all of those things are secondary to the overall question of whether a car hits its intended targets, looks great, drives nicely, and is reasonably priced?
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Good point.
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DCR
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Does the FR-S have cupholders? I didn't even look.
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Nick GravesX
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Yes.
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LudegarH22A7
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superchg2 wrote:
Grace141 wrote:
Speaking of opinions, I'd like to see the same level of critical review as shown here for the Honda products applied to the FRS/BRZ. Where is the cover for the cupholders? What about the cheap looking interior plastics? How can it use a strut front suspension design? Why is it underpowered? Is a 7500 RPM redline adequate?
Is it possible that all of those things are secondary to the overall question of whether a car hits its intended targets, looks great, drives nicely, and is reasonably priced?
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Good point.
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I agree as well... although, that level of criticism would require a previous generation and owners that are intimately familiar with product line.
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LudegarH22A7
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"the product line."
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JMU R1
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Grace141 wrote:
Speaking of opinions, I'd like to see the same level of critical review as shown here for the Honda products applied to the FRS/BRZ. Where is the cover for the cupholders? What about the cheap looking interior plastics? How can it use a strut front suspension design? Why is it underpowered? Is a 7500 RPM redline adequate? |
To start with, the interior in the BRZ is better than the 9th Gen Si, no question. As far as the suspension, Subaru has always used struts, so it's not really a let down in their case. For us who came to know, love, and appreciate double wishbone Hondas, it was a step back when the Civic platform went to struts (although I think most people are over it). Power wise, I do think it's a touch underpowered but the reason so many people are willing to overlook that is because it is RWD and has excellent handling. If it were a FWD car no one would be excited about it.
With the redline, no one expects an 8000 rpm n/a engine from Subaru. Subaru is not known as 'the Subaru Motor Company'. Even then, the BRZ revs higher than the Si and has a higher specific output. What's shameful about that is that the Si is the highest performance Honda in the lineup right now.
Oddly enough, Subaru did encounter a similar situation when the 2008 WRX was released. It had the same 227 hp EJ20 that the outgoing model did and they took a step backwards in suspension tuning and styling. What did Subaru do? In 2009 they gave the WRX a 2.5L with 265 hp, tightened up the suspension, and even added aero bits to address the styling concerns.
| Is it possible that all of those things are secondary to the overall question of whether a car hits its intended targets, looks great, drives nicely, and is reasonably priced? Driving reviews for the FRS are now available. Is it possible the '12 Si delivers 80% to 90% of the fun compared to the FRS but also offers a backseat and a decent trunk, probably a lower theft rate considering how popular the FRS/BRZ cars are proving to be, easier maintenance, a sticker price which is 10% to 20% cheaper, and at the moment has more support for racing. |
The problem with the Si is that there is nothing compelling about that car. It looks ok, drives nicely, has an unexciting engine, has a cheaped out interior, and doesn't represent a solid upgrade over the 8th gen. Yeah it's more practical than the BRZ/FRS, but so are the GTi, Mazdaspeed3, and upcoming Focus ST. In the case of the latter 2, they blow the doors off the Si. In the past there have been more powerful competitors to the Si at times, but the difference was that the Si delivered a compelling package that measured up well. Today that's not the case.
I don't think you can make any conclusions about theft at this point. Historically Subarus haven't been high theft targets, even STi's.
Ultimately I don't think it's totally gloom and doom for the Si. Honda is going to fix the interior, and after that they would only need to upgrade the engine to get the Si back on track. Maybe there's an Earth Dreams engine in store for the Si's MMC. My fear is just that Honda and AHM don't think the Si is important enough to get an engine upgrade before the next FMC. They didn't do anything about the EP3's shortcomings in the engine department.
Last edited by JMU R1 on 06-05-2012 10:53
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DCR wrote:
For now. This is my first non-Honda vehicle in 21 years of driving. This is also the first time I have ever stepped foot on a Scion lot.
I ordered this today, and it will be here in 4-6 weeks...possibly 8 worst case.
Not mine, but this is the color - Ultramarine.
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Congratz!, We delivered our 1st one yesterday. It came in at 1pm (off the truck), white, and by 3:30 it was GONE, the guy was SALIVATING..........He wanted to be called as soon as the truck came in.......so we fast tracked it to service, gassed it and cleaned it and he was gone faster then a dollar bill at a strip club............
I didn't even get a chance to look at it, I saw it come in on the truck, I was with a customer and my mind was to get rid of the customer and get over there........I saw the fucking tail lights going down the street as I was DASHING over there and those tail lights faded fast as he pulled out of the dealer like he was entering the LaMans.
I was like S H I I I I I I I I I TA!!!!!!! The next one is already sold and due in in a few weeks........I will have to camp out to see that one......
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
I was like S H I I I I I I I I I TA!!!!!!! The next one is already sold and due in in a few weeks........I will have to camp out to see that one......
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Sounds like the excitement over Hondas new cars, just wait when the new ED engines comes coupled with the new ultra fast rapid fire DSG and titanium chassis... you won't see them on the lot very long ;)
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HONDA AFVM
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Powered by Honda wrote:
ahhh finally you left. Maybe now we wont have to hear so much bitching about Honda? Maybe zero hopefully.
I woulda got the subby version imo...but great car and congrats.
Scion seems like a punk kids car and might attract some unwanted attention so be weary.
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PBH..........
Don't be such an ASS CLOWN......If you go to the Mens store and they don't have a Leather Sports coat, then you go to Nordstroms.......It's that simple, Honda doesn't have what DCR wants, I don't blame him and feel he is making the right move. I would do the same if I didn't have 2 kids..........He is not displaying any disloyalty rather maybe Honda is displaying the disloyalty to him.......and many others.........There is no reason Honda can't produce a car like this.
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HONDA AFVM
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DCR wrote:
That is a major reason I bought it...I am going to start combing the high schools in it, see if I can get lucky.
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Dude, that's not right.........it's wrong..........LOL!
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DrWhiner
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superchg2 wrote:
For my money, a lot of us on TOV are like DCR, in that we wish Honda would get back to building cars that are fun to drive.
If you don't like what DCR has to say you don't have to respond,
but the reality is that he is just speaking his mind, and isn't that what TOV is all about?
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I'll offer my congrats too - be interesting to see how this old school vehicle sells long term against the likes of the CRZ. Hopefully well - we need more statistical evidence that it is not all about fuel economy and being green and connectivity...not that there is any reason why a single manufacturer can't accomplish all this. We enthusiasts want to see drivers' cars being successful and profitable, both in isolation and for the halo effect. Personally I don't think it's styling is great - but it is nice enough, and obviously it's a great car dynamically. And that's why it deserves to succeed.
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