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Well done DCR. One of our partners is taking delivery of a red FR-S in the next month or so and we expect to be doing a lot of engine development on it.
+1 on the white though. The TRD photo looks really cool. Maybe too good - needs more performance to match up with that look :)
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ClementZ
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330R wrote:
Congratulations, DCR. Looks like you may be the first TOVer to take the Toyobaru plunge. If they'd been available last fall, I just might have picked one over the '11 Si. Definitely over the '12 Si. That's a really nice looking dark electric blue; it reminds me of Electron Blue Pearl.
I've never set foot on a Scion lot/section of a Toyota lot, either. I'd probably land on the Subaru lot first. In essence it's Subaru's car, anyway. The Scion does have a nicer front end though, I think. Also they price out a little better. I'm just really glad the 86s are here to please pent-up enthusiast demand for an affordable FR that is fun yet economical. Despite being affordable, the fun quotient is leading to comparisons with more expensive cars. An Australian publication drove it against the outgoing Porsche Cayman. Lots of buzz, lots of rave reviews. It's already doing exactly what Toyota needed it to do - generate buzz, chatter, get people talking and walking into their dealerships, elevate the brand(s) in people's minds.
Nothing like FR proportions in a tight little package, roughly S2000 size. Sharp looking car. I really want to drive one.
BTW, don't disappear. You'll want to stick around for all the upcoming amazing product P54 says is coming.
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Amazing product...?
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deandorsey
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wow, awesome! congratulations
this is the most exciting thing iv'e read on tov in years-
i really look forward to reading about your owner experiences with it -
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Great choice DCR... I hear the Scion is the 'minimalist' of the two.. even less equipment which is fine by me.
A 'blank canvas' if you will...
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Neal wrote:
... but just to advance that Japanese aesthetic it's always white for me and the care and durability are a bit more forgiving as my eyes notice everything. And white's highly visible to idiots...
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FiSH-Chan
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Congratulations DCR! Enjoy your new car.
Probably not big news but me & my wife are also looking for another car, and it's most likely not going to be a Honda too. Most liekly going to be a local manufactured (Toyota/Daihatsu rebranded) 1.3 city car for moving about in the city, and while I still don't have confidence in their safety but since dual airbags are regulation on every model now and it is being driven in heavy traffic and not out of town at least I a little bit more peace of mind.
Anyway, show us your car. I think you made a good choice choosing the HCH first so your expectations are lowered when you get the new one. :p
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DCR
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blackstripe77 wrote:
Neal wrote:
... but just to advance that Japanese aesthetic it's always white for me and the care and durability are a bit more forgiving as my eyes notice everything. And white's highly visible to idiots...
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My wife really liked the white, and wanted me to choose that.
However, this is my car, and her say doesn't mean shit when it comes to my car.
That said, I've got Neal in the back of my mind, who loves that white when it is done correctly. This white is certainly done right. The details of the car pop right out, and there is no doubt that I could own it...but I am still drawn to the deeper shades.
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White costs more in Canada!
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NealX
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Jovian8 wrote:
White costs more in Canada!
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Here, too! I thought I saw $220.
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330R
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ClementZ wrote:
Amazing product...? |
Don't want to take DCR's thread off topic so this will be my only post about it. But yep. That's right.
P54 wrote:
What we see now is a transition period while we wait on the new vehicles to come out. You will be amazed. |
P54 wrote:
You have seen nothing yet, not just drive-train wise but the whole vehicle. You said yourself "Open your eyes." Open them wider and like I said you will be amazed at what is coming. The coming "earth quake" from Honda. With a "tsunami" of enthusiasts following. |
This is fact. The info comes from the closest source to Honda's CEO we have on TOV. For example, he knows exactly what products and projects Ito is and isn't personally responsible for creating, redrawing, or cancelling, to what extent, and what was actually the rest of the board's doing. In addition, that second quote was in direct response to a founding member of this site. Who's gonna lie to SC in the Temple!!?
So yes, amazing product on the way.
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owequitit
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DCR wrote:
blackstripe77 wrote:
Neal wrote:
... but just to advance that Japanese aesthetic it's always white for me and the care and durability are a bit more forgiving as my eyes notice everything. And white's highly visible to idiots...
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My wife really liked the white, and wanted me to choose that.
However, this is my car, and her say doesn't mean shit when it comes to my car.
That said, I've got Neal in the back of my mind, who loves that white when it is done correctly. This white is certainly done right. The details of the car pop right out, and there is no doubt that I could own it...but I am still drawn to the deeper shades.
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I know it is your choice, but I have to side with the wife. That white TRD car looks amazing. Of course, the M style staggered quad exhaust tips don't hurt either. I think the white would look a lot more vivid and cool in person.
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330R
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< -- fan of the white, too
< -- went 500 miles for white Si
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blackstripe77
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DCR wrote:
blackstripe77 wrote:
Neal wrote:
... but just to advance that Japanese aesthetic it's always white for me and the care and durability are a bit more forgiving as my eyes notice everything. And white's highly visible to idiots...
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My wife really liked the white, and wanted me to choose that.
However, this is my car, and her say doesn't mean shit when it comes to my car.
That said, I've got Neal in the back of my mind, who loves that white when it is done correctly. This white is certainly done right. The details of the car pop right out, and there is no doubt that I could own it...but I am still drawn to the deeper shades.
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As I exerted before, I'm a fan of the white, but I saw a black on black TRD GT86 the other day and I have to say the darker shades (when kept clean!) shows off the curves nicely. Looks mean, too! It was stuck in traffic though, wish I could have heard it stretching its legs.
Also saw a very dark blue on the Evoque, very nice. Dark colors much less attention grabbing, if that's what you're after.
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Congrats, DCR - let us know how you get on with it.
You too, Shawn!
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Grace141
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Great choice on the car. As I read more info I think even more it's a great sports GT choice. It's sad there aren't more sports cars available for regular guy prices these days.
The current Road & Track includes a comparo between the BRZ, the Miata and the Hyundai Genesis coupe. Strange picks but anyway the BRZ landed in first place with the two complaints being a lack of tire to match the suspension tuning and a higher than expected required brake pedal effort. Sounds a little Honda-ish.
And, yes, I think the Toyobaru points to the 240/260/280Z cars before the ZX turned into a luxury car. I could see a BRZ raced in BRE red, white & blue colors. I haven't seen crash ratings yet but if it has such a low COG (R&T stated it's lower than a Cayman's) plus good ratings it will be a milestone car. I think a lot of people who have never driven a RWD sports car will drive the BRZ/FRS and never go back to a sporty FWD car such as the Si because of the steering feel and balance.
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atomiclightbulb
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Congrats on the FR-S, DCR!
I suspect that there will be many more people from ToV who will be driving down the same road in the near future.
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superchg2
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Less is More.
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CarPhreakD
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DCR, I intend to join you in a few years, once a few used examples hit the lot.
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Congrats DCR! I left the Honda family after 3 Hondas and an Acura for a Mazda and don't regret it at all...
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S600=Dream wrote:
The only concern I had was the fairly insane compression ratio.
Subaru N/A flat fours have a nasty history of shitting head gaskets for no good reason, and they're a PITA to do basic maintenance on because of how they're positioned and whatnot.
That said, they're fairly solid otherwise from everything I know.
Because it's not AWD, you shouldn't have any problems...ironically enough, an ex-Subaru mechanic associate of mine said that the AWD system that Subaru uses causes the most headaches because they use chintzy differentials and lousy CV joints.
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Reliability-wise, I personally would feel more comfortable having a Toyota with a Toyota engine (of the two brands), but I do appreciate the boxer concept and how it basically sets the tone for the whole car in this application. And in truth I've seen more than a few Subarus with 200k miles on them.
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owequitit
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Potenza wrote:
S600=Dream wrote:
The only concern I had was the fairly insane compression ratio.
Subaru N/A flat fours have a nasty history of shitting head gaskets for no good reason, and they're a PITA to do basic maintenance on because of how they're positioned and whatnot.
That said, they're fairly solid otherwise from everything I know.
Because it's not AWD, you shouldn't have any problems...ironically enough, an ex-Subaru mechanic associate of mine said that the AWD system that Subaru uses causes the most headaches because they use chintzy differentials and lousy CV joints.
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Reliability-wise, I personally would feel more comfortable having a Toyota with a Toyota engine (of the two brands), but I do appreciate the boxer concept and how it basically sets the tone for the whole car in this application. And in truth I've seen more than a few Subarus with 200k miles on them.
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That is largely an outdated myth from the days of aircooled flat engines, which leak because they have loose tolerances and must be designed to expand when hot. We still use those in our airplanes and less than excessive leaks are very normal. However, on a modern, liquid cooled flat engine with normal liquid cooled tolerances, I don't think that is the case.
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Subarus tend to be pretty durable. Some of the earlier (like 10-15 years old) models did have some headgasket issues, but it wasn't an ultra common thing (perhaps on par with the Honda 5AT problem numbers, or less).
However, over the last 10 years, the boxers have been very reliable. Even in turbo form they'll go well over 100k miles. The 2008+ turbo EJ25 motors in the STIs do have some issues though with weak pistons as Subaru did some cost cutting, or perhaps tried to reduce the ring land size too much in order to reduce hydrocarbon emissions. You're actually better off if you tune them _down_ from the factory specs to avoid detonation. But the NA engines are solid.
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Powered by Honda wrote:
ahhh finally you left. Maybe now we wont have to hear so much bitching about Honda? Maybe zero hopefully.
I woulda got the subby version imo...but great car and congrats.
Scion seems like a punk kids car and might attract some unwanted attention so be weary.
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I can honestly say that DCR's criticisms are constructive unlike yours. I guess one day you'll see that Honda has put themselves in a bad position and that they no longer are best in class anymore. The sooner you realize that the more respect you will gain from other TOVers.
DCR, congrats on the car as from what I've gathered it's a great overall package. Keep us posted.
~Patrick
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Powered by Honda wrote:
ahhh finally you left. Maybe now we wont have to hear so much bitching about Honda? Maybe zero hopefully.
I woulda got the subby version imo...but great car and congrats.
Scion seems like a punk kids car and might attract some unwanted attention so be weary.
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Kinda agree, I'm not a teenage so I would never be caught driving a Scion.
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DCR
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That is a major reason I bought it...I am going to start combing the high schools in it, see if I can get lucky.
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TonyEX
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DCR wrote:
Mr. Taggart wrote:
DCR,
Nice looking car, and I usually don't like blue. Why does that vehicle look like the sprirtual successor to the original 240Z? It looks like someone lopped of the chrome and added some bulges? Looks very nice and doesn't scream "Look at all the curves!" like most of the recent Hyundais.
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I wanted Asphalt (dark gray) mainly, but the blue was available "now" and is not a shade of blue that will attract attention. It is a little darker than I prefer, but I will live.
I love Japanese cars, because they look a distinct way...just something cool about the designs usually, and I can't really pinpoint what it is exactly. The 8th Gen Si really got my blood pumping when it was announced, and this FR-S did the same thing when I saw it in person. Pictures do not do this car justice...I was actually slack-jawed when I saw it in the flesh...it is a very well done car. I wasn't really looking to get one until I saw it...I just circled the car slowly about 5 times, and didn't even know I was smiling until my wife mentioned it.
The interior isn't terrible, but I would rank it below the 8th Gen Si I think. The seats are one fabric type and almost a felt texture, but they are there to do a job, and they do it...they lock you right in. The driving position is low and you feel like you are about to pilot a jet.
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DCR
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Jeez what?
Have been in the FR-S? If not, I am not sure if you have an opinion either way.
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Congrats on the car...and welcome to the infamous club of previous, loyal Honda owners moving on, unfortunately. Left in late 2010 for BMW. Was looking for a commuter Civic at the same time as well, but couldn't find one and ended up with a Corolla. Gotta say, I enjoy the Corolla too...and getting to the oil filter is a heck of a lot easier than a Civics. Better half still has a CRV, however, and eyeing up the new RDX. The H/A SUV's are about the only thing I like anymore. :(
Anyway, congrats again and you may want to think about a clear bra for the front of your new car. Does wonders against rock chips and especially helpful on darker colored cars. Good luck and look forward to some updates.
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ask for a clear bra above the windshield as well to the sunroof a small strip. Tons of ppl I see come in to get a new windshield and their ROOF is raped by stones and rust has already begun.
Then soon....a HOLE will be there and leakage from what might seem like the windshield but its just water traveling down the headliner.
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mobis21 wrote:
Powered by Honda wrote:
ahhh finally you left. Maybe now we wont have to hear so much bitching about Honda? Maybe zero hopefully.
I woulda got the subby version imo...but great car and congrats.
Scion seems like a punk kids car and might attract some unwanted attention so be weary.
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Kinda agree, I'm not a teenage so I would never be caught driving a Scion. |
The only Scion I see teenagers and college age students driving is the Tc. The xB and xD or whatever x-series they sell now are predominantly driven by older adults in my area.
I suspect that the FR-S will probably be out of reach for the vast majority of the teen/college crowd. It's about 5.5k more than the Tc, when looking at base prices, and the insurance is surely going to be more costly on a smaller, purpose-built sports car than a nearly mid-size coupe built on an FF sedan platform. The limping economy also makes it much harder for young people to find good jobs, so that means fewer people in this age group who can afford to buy it.
Any half-sane parent would not buy their teenager this car either, unless their kid is both unusually responsible and has the training/experience to handle an FR sports car.
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