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Seems these cars from Japan are really hurting. How long before Honda can meet the demands for those in Japan and start sending more to the USA. The mega dealer near me has almost zero of those three available.
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My local dealer is pretty big, and it only has 4 Fits, 3 CR-Zs, and 1 Insight in stock.
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Just my opinion (not in sales)... but even though there is a real limitation on those cars, I dont know that a lot of Insights or CRZ's would sell. Obviously more than availability right now, but I think the real limited supply story here relative to demand is the FIT... very few available at dealerships in my area.
I'd love to see Honda offset some of the exchange rate issues by adding a higher trim level Fit for which they would ask a premium.
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FiSH-Chan
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Every hybrid model that arrived in the showroom immediately have a big red 'Sold' sign on it on this part of the world. I think they may be redirecting all the resources over here..
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mobis21 wrote:
Seems these cars from Japan are really hurting. How long before Honda can meet the demands for those in Japan and start sending more to the USA. The mega dealer near me has almost zero of those three available.
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I just don't think that situation will change, meaning:
- I don't think Honda is going to expand Japanese production anytime soon, because over here the strong yen is believed to be a long-term thing, which is why Honda is expanding so much production overseas.
- If you've followed, Honda is opening a new factory in Mexico for manufacturing the Fit in NA, now, that is the plan.
- If you've followed, Honda has started producing the ILX hybrid in the US (first ever for them), will soon add Fit hybrid production in Thailand.
- If you've followed Honda has announced they will manufacture their flagship NSX in NA, and start turning their NA factories into model-ones for the rest of the world.
What I mean is that every Japanese company is striving to diminish their dependency on home-land manufacturing right now, and Honda is no different, so those cars will simply not come, and you may have to wait until they are made where you live. The only thing that could force them to export more is if internal demand got a serious hit, but right now the thrive for fuel efficiency has given the internal market the much needed boost they've been trying to find for decades, and Honda is pretty well positioned for it, so they'll keep concentrated in "making cars where they are sold", and "selling them where they are made" (i.e. Japan in this case).
That situation though remains pretty much fragile, so I seriously doubt Honda would add any production capacity that they may regret in 3 or 5 years from now.
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I don't think the supply problems are due to lack of capacity in Japan. Most likely Honda is throttling back the export of these cars (at least the Fit) because they make no money on them. When the Fit was released the exchange rate was 120:1. Now it's at 80:1. I don't see how they can make any money at all considering the price of a Fit hasn't gone up that much.
Sad to see production moving to Mexico, but manufacturing in Japan is no longer cost competitive.
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Chris David wrote:
I don't think the supply problems are due to lack of capacity in Japan. Most likely Honda is throttling back the export of these cars (at least the Fit) because they make no money on them. When the Fit was released the exchange rate was 120:1. Now it's at 80:1. I don't see how they can make any money at all considering the price of a Fit hasn't gone up that much.
Sad to see production moving to Mexico, but manufacturing in Japan is no longer cost competitive.
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The marginal cost of manufacturing a car (once you have spent all the R&D and tooling/production money) is far from its retail price... What doesn't make sense is for Honda to sell in the US cars they could sell in Japan...
Honda's production capacity for the Insight-series IMA parts (Insight, Fit, CR-Z, Freed) is 200k/year, and that's exactly the number they sold in the past fiscal year (April11-Mar11).
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For what it is worth, my local Honda dealer currently has 2 Fits, 1 Insight & no CR-Zs. I doubt that the hybrids would see a lot more sales if there were more supply but I would suspect that the decline from last year would not be so high.
On a side note: no RLs, 1 ZDX & 1 ILX in my area.
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In the US, 1 CR-Z on the lot, or 10,000...it would change nothing. It is not packaged correctly for the US market, and supply is not the problem.
I haven't combined all of the numbers, but at a glance, the inferior Veloster has outsold the CR-Z combined so far.
Maybe Honda hoped to sell based on the badge on the hood, but that clearly is fading.
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I'm sure that if it had even a vestigial rear seat I'd have one on styling (and hatch) alone.
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DCR
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Neal wrote:
I'm sure that if it had even a vestigial rear seat I'd have one on styling (and hatch) alone.
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That is one major hurdle I am sure. If you have a significant other in your life, and kids, or even just a pet, you are going to run into the "what if we need a back seat in a pinch" thought. Personally, I can't even justify having no back seats for whatever reason. I rarely have people sitting in the back of my cars, but the situation does arise.
I feel sorry for whoever has to get in the back of my FR-S, by the way...I hope they don't have legs.
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mobis21
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DCR wrote:
In the US, 1 CR-Z on the lot, or 10,000...it would change nothing. It is not packaged correctly for the US market, and supply is not the problem.
I haven't combined all of the numbers, but at a glance, the inferior Veloster has outsold the CR-Z combined so far.
Maybe Honda hoped to sell based on the badge on the hood, but that clearly is fading.
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YOU are so full of shit. Just had to reply to this trolling B.S. post of yours. YOU really think YOU have the answers don't YOU.
Please reply of course. It's always entertaining. I know you read it because YOU spend 24 hours a day here trolling and bashing on Honda, and praising your TuRD.
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mobis21
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danielgr wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Seems these cars from Japan are really hurting. How long before Honda can meet the demands for those in Japan and start sending more to the USA. The mega dealer near me has almost zero of those three available.
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I just don't think that situation will change, meaning:
- I don't think Honda is going to expand Japanese production anytime soon, because over here the strong yen is believed to be a long-term thing, which is why Honda is expanding so much production overseas.
- If you've followed, Honda is opening a new factory in Mexico for manufacturing the Fit in NA, now, that is the plan.
- If you've followed, Honda has started producing the ILX hybrid in the US (first ever for them), will soon add Fit hybrid production in Thailand.
- If you've followed Honda has announced they will manufacture their flagship NSX in NA, and start turning their NA factories into model-ones for the rest of the world.
What I mean is that every Japanese company is striving to diminish their dependency on home-land manufacturing right now, and Honda is no different, so those cars will simply not come, and you may have to wait until they are made where you live. The only thing that could force them to export more is if internal demand got a serious hit, but right now the thrive for fuel efficiency has given the internal market the much needed boost they've been trying to find for decades, and Honda is pretty well positioned for it, so they'll keep concentrated in "making cars where they are sold", and "selling them where they are made" (i.e. Japan in this case).
That situation though remains pretty much fragile, so I seriously doubt Honda would add any production capacity that they may regret in 3 or 5 years from now.
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Agreed, the Fit, Insight, and CR-Z supply problems for North America will not change until the new factory in Mexico opens.
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duncan
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mobis21 wrote:
DCR wrote:
In the US, 1 CR-Z on the lot, or 10,000...it would change nothing. It is not packaged correctly for the US market, and supply is not the problem.
I haven't combined all of the numbers, but at a glance, the inferior Veloster has outsold the CR-Z combined so far.
Maybe Honda hoped to sell based on the badge on the hood, but that clearly is fading.
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YOU are so full of shit. Just had to reply to this trolling B.S. post of yours. YOU really think YOU have the answers don't YOU.
Please reply of course. It's always entertaining. I know you read it because YOU spend 24 hours a day here trolling and bashing on Honda, and praising your TuRD.
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It's only trolling if you use crude language or can't back up what you write with quantifiable proof. So then you must have undeniable evidence that DCR is "full of shit", yes?
Hmmm...is "full of shit" some sort of technical term?
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DrWhiner
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mobis21 wrote:
danielgr wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Seems these cars from Japan are really hurting. How long before Honda can meet the demands for those in Japan and start sending more to the USA. The mega dealer near me has almost zero of those three available.
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I just don't think that situation will change, meaning:
- I don't think Honda is going to expand Japanese production anytime soon, because over here the strong yen is believed to be a long-term thing, which is why Honda is expanding so much production overseas.
- If you've followed, Honda is opening a new factory in Mexico for manufacturing the Fit in NA, now, that is the plan.
- If you've followed, Honda has started producing the ILX hybrid in the US (first ever for them), will soon add Fit hybrid production in Thailand.
- If you've followed Honda has announced they will manufacture their flagship NSX in NA, and start turning their NA factories into model-ones for the rest of the world.
What I mean is that every Japanese company is striving to diminish their dependency on home-land manufacturing right now, and Honda is no different, so those cars will simply not come, and you may have to wait until they are made where you live. The only thing that could force them to export more is if internal demand got a serious hit, but right now the thrive for fuel efficiency has given the internal market the much needed boost they've been trying to find for decades, and Honda is pretty well positioned for it, so they'll keep concentrated in "making cars where they are sold", and "selling them where they are made" (i.e. Japan in this case).
That situation though remains pretty much fragile, so I seriously doubt Honda would add any production capacity that they may regret in 3 or 5 years from now.
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Agreed, the Fit, Insight, and CR-Z supply problems for North America will not change until the new factory in Mexico opens.
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