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Mr. Taggart wrote:
CarmB wrote:
TonyE wrote:
Mr. Taggart wrote:
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Fuel economy is not the end all be all, but if you neuter an engine to get more fuel economy (See VCM) then maybe they should have turned to a 6 speed sooner.

Yeah, the original NSX was gutless, so was the ITR, a bunch or porsches and every racing car out there... Its more usable to the mind numbed masses because they don't have to shift as often and continue to text and cannot be bothered with understanding what it means to not get behind the curve. That kind of knowledge has no other practical purpose. Wait, you get a Cessan Cardinal fully loaded after of center and you really wan't to understand why you don't want to get behind the power curve.

You might want to read a little more thouroughly about the block as to my point, but SC then and dropped a couple ways they have been decreasing the quality of engine blocks.

Honda Johnny Come Lately.... ever heard of CVCC? How about the design of the R engine (maximum pumping efficiency)? What do you think VTEC is all about? Hint.. maximizing efficiency across the RPM range.

Honda is about maximum efficiency. If power is a byproduct, then so be it. In fact, in racing, volume and boost are restricted, so if you can come up with a better mouse trap to extract power from the engine and the ruling powers (and GM) don't object to it... you WIN.... Vide Honda turbo F1 in the 90s.

Decreasing tolerances in the piston is perhaps a detriment for someone like Shawn who lives to push those engines into stratospheric power numbers.

But, if you would, read into how HMC/AHM are DECREASING the FRICTION of the block/piston by treating the cylinders and using updated piston rings.

HMC is going for fuel efficiency.

Now then.. today is Memorial Day so we did our typical 170 mile trip around SoCal to go to cementeries.. In the Crosstour we burnt about 7 gallons of gas, which at 4.40 a gallon is 30 bucks. This was with ECO ON half the time on the freeways and around town.

Wooops!

Trust me, I want efficiency. I don't care if my engine can not be tuned to 400bhp.

Or, if we can get rid of ObamaGasFiasco and gas comes down to 2.5 a gallon, then HELL, Shawn, I'm in your boat... gimme 400 bhp....

See?

Regarding fuel costs, it's simple math. As cars get more efficient, the oil companies will increase the price per gallon accordingly. This is all the math you need to know and be assured that any so-called explanations of why gas prices are spiking dramatically in the years ahead will be nothing more than PR spin.

Our education system has just spoken. Is it any surprise that we need education reform? The price of gas responds to the law of supply and demand. Don't forget that there is a worldwide supply and demand, not just the in US. Speculators can driver the price of oil up, but for every speculator that bet the price is going up there is someone betting the price is going down.