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Looks very much like the current Accord sedan. Looks like Honda has repeated the same mistake they made with the Civic... Are we going to see a refereshed 2014 Accord too???
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If we can see the old Accord in it, then YES... I agree that would be a mistake. And I certainly don't put it past that cheap ____ Mendel to do it either. I'm sure he knows, if he screws up the Accord that he's gone. That doesn't, however, mean his expectations are any higher than they were in his days at Ford.
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z-zero wrote:
Looks very much like the current Accord sedan. Looks like Honda has repeated the same mistake they made with the Civic... Are we going to see a refereshed 2014 Accord too???
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Do you have x-ray eye's ?
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^^^^ I was wondering the same thing
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integrator wrote:
If we can see the old Accord in it, then YES... I agree that would be a mistake. And I certainly don't put it past that cheap ____ Mendel to do it either. I'm sure he knows, if he screws up the Accord that he's gone. That doesn't, however, mean his expectations are any higher than they were in his days at Ford.
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This appears to be exactly like the current sedan just as the so-called coupe concept introduced at NAIAS looks just like the present iteration. It's a safe move. The edgy Sonata styling already looks dated. As for quality, let's hope that Honda learned from the bruising they received over the '12 Civic. The new Camry is not hugely different from it's previous generation but it is selling very well. I think the new Altima will do well with it's evolutionary styling. Even the new Chevy Malibu is quite nice yet conservatively styled. It will be interesting to see how the dramatically-different Ford Fusion will be accepted and how the styling will hold up. The fugliest of the new vehicles imo: the Toyota Avalon. Omfg, that front end is hideous.
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EXV6 wrote:
This appears to be exactly like the current sedan just as the so-called coupe concept introduced at NAIAS looks just like the present iteration. It's a safe move. The edgy Sonata styling already looks dated. As for quality, let's hope that Honda learned from the bruising they received over the '12 Civic. The new Camry is not hugely different from it's previous generation but it is selling very well. I think the new Altima will do well with it's evolutionary styling. Even the new Chevy Malibu is quite nice yet conservatively styled. It will be interesting to see how the dramatically-different Ford Fusion will be accepted and how the styling will hold up. The fugliest of the new vehicles imo: the Toyota Avalon. Omfg, that front end is hideous.
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No surprise the Accord's styling would be evolutionary, we've figured that out since the debate of the coupe concept in Detroit but I think if Honda nails the execution, it won't be a problem like the Civic. Not to mention the rest of the car seems to be seriously overhauled as KGP points out in the commentary (CVT, 6MT in some models, ED engines, Sport trim, plug-in etc). The key here is the fuel economy, interior design, quality of materials/feature content, and pricing, etc.
P.S. - Let's not forget that the Civic is selling well despite it being a major disappointment to most of us on TOV.
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integrator
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* selling well with lots of financial incentives
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rkn
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integrator wrote:
* selling well with lots of financial incentives
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Again, you hit the nail on the head. The real reason the current accords and civics are selling well is because of the money honda is throwing down to move these... upto $5000 in some cases. I thought I was living in the 90s when i saw a $199 accord lease for the base model with $0 due at signing (and this was Hondas special.. not some local dealers get you in the door scam!)
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BalIermd wrote:
No surprise the Accord's styling would be evolutionary
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Hmm.
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Potenza wrote:
BalIermd wrote:
No surprise the Accord's styling would be evolutionary
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Hmm.
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Let me clarify, I'm not suggesting that the styling will be overly-conservative. Evolutionary does not = boring/vanilla or overly-conservative. Check out the new Malibu as proof. It's a lot sportier than the outgoing model, yet is every bit as evolutionary as you can get.
It's highly likely the new Accord will be based off the Concept C or share a similar family design language. If that's the case, then the styling is evolutionary, but still much more aggressive than the current model. As I said, if the execution on the production version is done right, it won't be a problem.
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I've bashed the current Civic for several things but evolutionary styling was the least and my criticisms surfaced AFTER I knew the facts, examined the car and actually drove the car. With that said you should do the same.
This new generation of Accord is significant for several reasons; the all new drivetrain offerings, plug in hybrid technology and the fact that there are new features available as well as higher end trim levels.
The Civic was bashed because of carryover drivetrains, the addition of the 2.4 for the Si, cheap interior materials and the fact the line as a whole didn't significantly improve that much all around. Also the handling and overall response was toned down so tactile performance was heavily compromised. Hopefully the Accord won't suffer such fate.
~Patrick
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rkn wrote:
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* selling well with lots of financial incentives
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Again, you hit the nail on the head. The real reason the current accords and civics are selling well is because of the money honda is throwing down to move these... upto $5000 in some cases. I thought I was living in the 90s when i saw a $199 accord lease for the base model with $0 due at signing (and this was Hondas special.. not some local dealers get you in the door scam!)
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Show proof from any source that Honda is throwing $5000 of incentives on the Accord. It is in the final year of a model run, incentives are not unlike what they were at the end of the 2007 model year.
If a dealership is taking $5k off, then the dealer is giving up their profit to do so. That is not an incentive from a manufacturer.
A car that holds its value well will have a high residual on a lease. A high residual means a low lease payment as you only pay the difference from the sales price to the residual over the term of the lease.
This kind of ignorance went around on a previous post a couple of months back. Do some research before showing your own.
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I can't see this accord at all, because apart from the roof it's completely covered up, but I've decided it looks really great !!
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The fact that it looks to be smaller has to be a plus point - all its competitors are, and this should make it lighter too - smaller and more HT steel ought to help performance and mileage too, on top of the ED drivetrain. Steering is guaranteed to be worse in terms of feel with EPS - unless some miracle happens. Direct Injections are rarely as smooth as port injection. CVTs are usually horrible. So Honda has a lot to surprise us with potentially. From these pics most people would say its the same car - but hopefully with a less dowdy front and rear styling it'll be nice. The current model is only bought my pensioners with habitual buying habits in Canada. Hence 6% of sales and falling. A far cry from the original estimates which I have. Totally different story in the states where the snazzier Sonata and especially Optima, arent so appealing. Together they are averaging 3500 a month against 500 for the Accord. Optima sells three times the Accord whereas 2 years ago the Accord outsold the Optima more than 5 to one. This is purely down to snazzy styling, a great interior and lots more features. i don't see anything yet about the new Accord which will change things. and that accord number is coupe included btw.
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BalIermd wrote:
EXV6 wrote:
This appears to be exactly like the current sedan just as the so-called coupe concept introduced at NAIAS looks just like the present iteration. It's a safe move. The edgy Sonata styling already looks dated. As for quality, let's hope that Honda learned from the bruising they received over the '12 Civic. The new Camry is not hugely different from it's previous generation but it is selling very well. I think the new Altima will do well with it's evolutionary styling. Even the new Chevy Malibu is quite nice yet conservatively styled. It will be interesting to see how the dramatically-different Ford Fusion will be accepted and how the styling will hold up. The fugliest of the new vehicles imo: the Toyota Avalon. Omfg, that front end is hideous.
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No surprise the Accord's styling would be evolutionary, we've figured that out since the debate of the coupe concept in Detroit but I think if Honda nails the execution, it won't be a problem like the Civic. Not to mention the rest of the car seems to be seriously overhauled as KGP points out in the commentary (CVT, 6MT in some models, ED engines, Sport trim, plug-in etc). The key here is the fuel economy, interior design, quality of materials/feature content, and pricing, etc.
P.S. - Let's not forget that the Civic is selling well despite it being a major disappointment to most of us on TOV.
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I also have no problem with the evolutionary styling. To be honest, other than slightly long front overhang (clearly reduced in this prototype), the current car has GREAT proportions. It looks very formal, upscale and substantial. We have had quite a few compliments on the styling of our 2009 Accord over the years. The only weird features were the bugeye headlights and tails. I think evolving that and getting rid of the few "weird" details would make this a stellar looking car that will still look stellar in 10 years. The projectors will likely fix the headlight problem, and I think the concept shows most of the overall styling themes with a little bit of "flourishing" for the purpose of a concept. Expect the too busy projectors to not be there, and expect the overly aggressive front and rear bumpers to be toned down. I think we will see a larger lower grill and smaller upper grill like older Accords. Other than that, it looks like the trunk will be a bit shorter, and the hood might be a little more raked. So far, I think it looks pretty good, and that is coming from an owner of mostly Accords over the years.
My biggest areas of concern are powertrain execution, chassis setup and refinement, and interior quality. I am optimistic that the powertrains will be much better than now, especially the V6. I would also like to see road noise reduced, although IMO, it is blown somewhat out of proportion (I only have a problem with it on very broken/rough surfaces of certain textures). I also hope they tighten the chassis response a bit, as our 2009 is a little too soft for my taste. I liked the 06 from a handling standpoint, but the 04 was a pretty good compromise with a tight right, and less harshness than the 06.
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You either misunderstand something grossly or this is an outright lie. American Honda is NOT putting anything like $5000 on the hood of any car. Do a little research before making outrageous claims.
Here is Accord in its final year of the model: http://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2012/car-incentives.html
Civic is even less incentivized and still less than competitors: http://www.edmunds.com/honda/civic/2012/car-incentives.html
Even the Crosstour doesn't come anywhere near your numbers. Not even within 50% of it.
And there are exactly 0 direct to customer cash incentives as is normal for Honda. Lease and finance deals only are available direct to customers. This is how Honda does business and has been for decades. Don't expect it to change anytime soon.
rkn wrote:
Again, you hit the nail on the head. The real reason the current accords and civics are selling well is because of the money honda is throwing down to move these... upto $5000 in some cases.
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Links from montechester's comment:
ACCORD http://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2012/car-incentives.html
CIVIC http://www.edmunds.com/honda/civic/2012/car-incentives.html
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TXsalesguy wrote:
rkn wrote:
integrator wrote:
* selling well with lots of financial incentives
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Again, you hit the nail on the head. The real reason the current accords and civics are selling well is because of the money honda is throwing down to move these... upto $5000 in some cases. I thought I was living in the 90s when i saw a $199 accord lease for the base model with $0 due at signing (and this was Hondas special.. not some local dealers get you in the door scam!)
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Show proof from any source that Honda is throwing $5000 of incentives on the Accord. It is in the final year of a model run, incentives are not unlike what they were at the end of the 2007 model year.
If a dealership is taking $5k off, then the dealer is giving up their profit to do so. That is not an incentive from a manufacturer.
A car that holds its value well will have a high residual on a lease. A high residual means a low lease payment as you only pay the difference from the sales price to the residual over the term of the lease.
This kind of ignorance went around on a previous post a couple of months back. Do some research before showing your own.
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+1. Obviously he's not happy that the Accord or Civic is "selling" well. Seems to me that more consumers will opt to choose a Honda over a Hyundai if the pricing is competitive. No gimmicks or false advertising needed.
If anything, the sales of the emotion-driven consumers wanting something new and "higher-tech" gimmicky engines have come and gone, and you have your level headed consumers making an educated purchase decision. The outgoing model generation will be the best quality and while it may not have DI, which is a dated technology in the first place, is a far proven drive-train than these hastily mashed up/quick to market DI engines of the competitors.
The current Accord buyers are likely the savvy ones who've timed their purchase on the generation change. They aren't in it for the newest design fad, glamour, or advertised warranties. They're in it for the long run, likely holding onto their most recent purchase for 8-10 years. They might know now that the next generation won't differ too much, making the design acceptable since it won't look too dated alongside the 9th gen. That isn't just savvy on the part of the customer, but also Honda for not alienating their customers with radical designs that lack a lineage of familial resemblance.
I should add that Honda is also pumping out more advertising bucks to the various automotive publications such that you should see a decline in the Honda bashing. A sad truth about the automotive publication world (as evident in Hyundai/Kia's tactics in shushing up the press by paying their bills). It doesn't help that many sheep follow the automotive shepherds who themselves don't know what they're talking about. It's a relief to know there are actually some smart consumers left in the world who will pay for quality and not image and popularity.
Today's motto's are full of crap: "Image is everything" and "Buy it for looks, buy it for life". No wonder Americans have such a high divorce rate.
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Thanks!
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HONDA AFVM
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rkn...........
He is CLUELESS..........That's it........+2
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Unfortunately his misinformation seems to be spreading to other threads. I'd love to know the source of this garbage. It's so far fetched as to be laughable, but there are people that will believe it, because "they read it on the internet", so it HAS to be true. LOL
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montechester wrote:
Unfortunately his misinformation seems to be spreading to other threads. I'd love to know the source of this garbage. It's so far fetched as to be laughable, but there are people that will believe it, because "they read it on the internet", so it HAS to be true. LOL
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montechester............
One COULD say that you could get a $5,000 discount off of an Accord, but that would be the Hold back, all the profit and the dealer cash...........OR, the 1.9$ from the Average rate of 6.78% would save you thousands too.......Numbers can be made to look any way one can present them............if one is stupid enough to read them that way...........
rks, rsk, rkc.......what ever his miniscule letters are is WRONG....... and when people go from Honda dealer to Honda dealer and get told to pound salt...........cause they heard it on the internet............then they will be pissed at rkc........or who ever for misinforming them...........
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
montechester wrote:
Unfortunately his misinformation seems to be spreading to other threads. I'd love to know the source of this garbage. It's so far fetched as to be laughable, but there are people that will believe it, because "they read it on the internet", so it HAS to be true. LOL
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montechester............
One COULD say that you could get a $5,000 discount off of an Accord, but that would be the Hold back, all the profit and the dealer cash...........OR, the 1.9$ from the Average rate of 6.78% would save you thousands too.......Numbers can be made to look any way one can present them............if one is stupid enough to read them that way...........
rks, rsk, rkc.......what ever his miniscule letters are is WRONG....... and when people go from Honda dealer to Honda dealer and get told to pound salt...........cause they heard it on the internet............then they will be pissed at rkc........or who ever for misinforming them...........
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One could say? ......Its true, I would post my emails from Honda Dealers but that would be in bad taste and bad business etiquette. How the dealer gets there, hold back, secrete handshake or whatever, getting 4500 to 5000 off an Accord is easy. Just be sure to go to a volume Honda dealer and voila........example-
http://www.weymouthhonda.com/lease/?&code=CP2F7CJW
Just add your email address to get the real sales price........ hint, it ain't sticker. By the way Kudos to Weymouth for demystifying the lease process.
And thats on the east coast, the same prices can be had here in Texas, and NO Texsalesguy, that doesn't include the $1500 tint and mud flap package every Dallas Honda dealer seems to be adding to their cars.
Go to Edmunds and see what people are getting on Accords-
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef006d2/26763
You would think its Christmas reading those posts.
The Accord will post some amazing sales numbers this month, but at these prices, you see why. If one is in the market for an Accord, now till August is the time. And if one is afraid of missing out on the new Accord, lease the present one, and in two or three years when Honda worked out all of the bugs, you can then purchase or lease the new gen due out in Oct. You can and will get an awesome deal on the present one.
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longhorn wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
montechester wrote:
Unfortunately his misinformation seems to be spreading to other threads. I'd love to know the source of this garbage. It's so far fetched as to be laughable, but there are people that will believe it, because "they read it on the internet", so it HAS to be true. LOL
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montechester............
One COULD say that you could get a $5,000 discount off of an Accord, but that would be the Hold back, all the profit and the dealer cash...........OR, the 1.9$ from the Average rate of 6.78% would save you thousands too.......Numbers can be made to look any way one can present them............if one is stupid enough to read them that way...........
rks, rsk, rkc.......what ever his miniscule letters are is WRONG....... and when people go from Honda dealer to Honda dealer and get told to pound salt...........cause they heard it on the internet............then they will be pissed at rkc........or who ever for misinforming them...........
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One could say? ......Its true, I would post my emails from Honda Dealers but that would be in bad taste and bad business etiquette. How the dealer gets there, hold back, secrete handshake or whatever, getting 4500 to 5000 off an Accord is easy. Just be sure to go to a volume Honda dealer and voila........example-
http://www.weymouthhonda.com/lease/?&code=CP2F7CJW
Just add your email address to get the real sales price........ hint, it ain't sticker. By the way Kudos to Weymouth for demystifying the lease process.
And thats on the east coast, the same prices can be had here in Texas, and NO Texsalesguy, that doesn't include the $1500 tint and mud flap package every Dallas Honda dealer seems to be adding to their cars.
Go to Edmunds and see what people are getting on Accords-
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef006d2/26763
You would think its Christmas reading those posts.
The Accord will post some amazing sales numbers this month, but at these prices, you see why. If one is in the market for an Accord, now till August is the time. And if one is afraid of missing out on the new Accord, lease the present one, and in two or three years when Honda worked out all of the bugs, you can then purchase or lease the new gen due out in Oct. You can and will get an awesome deal on the present one.
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With only 2 months of retail sales left, it is not surprising that Honda has such incentives given the onslaught of new competition...
However, the deals are probably out there somewhere as you have posted.
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HONDA AFVM
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longhorn wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
montechester wrote:
Unfortunately his misinformation seems to be spreading to other threads. I'd love to know the source of this garbage. It's so far fetched as to be laughable, but there are people that will believe it, because "they read it on the internet", so it HAS to be true. LOL
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montechester............
One COULD say that you could get a $5,000 discount off of an Accord, but that would be the Hold back, all the profit and the dealer cash...........OR, the 1.9$ from the Average rate of 6.78% would save you thousands too.......Numbers can be made to look any way one can present them............if one is stupid enough to read them that way...........
rks, rsk, rkc.......what ever his miniscule letters are is WRONG....... and when people go from Honda dealer to Honda dealer and get told to pound salt...........cause they heard it on the internet............then they will be pissed at rkc........or who ever for misinforming them...........
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One could say? ......Its true, I would post my emails from Honda Dealers but that would be in bad taste and bad business etiquette. How the dealer gets there, hold back, secrete handshake or whatever, getting 4500 to 5000 off an Accord is easy. Just be sure to go to a volume Honda dealer and voila........example-
http://www.weymouthhonda.com/lease/?&code=CP2F7CJW
Just add your email address to get the real sales price........ hint, it ain't sticker. By the way Kudos to Weymouth for demystifying the lease process.
And thats on the east coast, the same prices can be had here in Texas, and NO Texsalesguy, that doesn't include the $1500 tint and mud flap package every Dallas Honda dealer seems to be adding to their cars.
Go to Edmunds and see what people are getting on Accords-
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef006d2/26763
You would think its Christmas reading those posts.
The Accord will post some amazing sales numbers this month, but at these prices, you see why. If one is in the market for an Accord, now till August is the time. And if one is afraid of missing out on the new Accord, lease the present one, and in two or three years when Honda worked out all of the bugs, you can then purchase or lease the new gen due out in Oct. You can and will get an awesome deal on the present one.
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That's ALL the money, including the stair step money. They are banking on selling the quota Honda set for them, so as an example; Honda might give the dealer $1,500 if they sell 32 Accords in a month, that number depends on the dealers location, Accord sales, forecast.......they might add a % to make them move more cars, so if they reach that # of 32 then they get, RETROACTIVE from the 1st Accord sold that month $1,500 per Accord sold on top of the $1,250 customer cash. So there is $2,750 right there and there is about $2,000 ++ in every Accord, so there is your $5G's, but this is NOT advertised incentives and the amount Honda gives to dealers is not public info, if the dealer sells 31 cars, THEY LOSE BIG........there IS NO EXCUSE.......or do overs.......GAME OVER.....so many dealers don't even try......We do sometimes, we did it last month and made out big, but we didn't have the inventory this month to take the risk, nor did our zone for dealer trades, they were coming in fast, but dealers were afraid to trade in fear of not getting an accord back........
You all act as if this is a game we play, the manufacture plays games WITH US, and we have no choice but to play their game or we lose........They raised the INVOICE on us some $200 to $400 per car, but only raised the MSRP a $100 or so........we lose every time.......
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integrator wrote:
* selling well with lots of financial incentives
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What's wrong with the civic?I drove the ex,it seems to be a well built car,the engine is powerful,handling is great.
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wanga wrote:
integrator wrote:
* selling well with lots of financial incentives
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What's wrong with the civic?I drove the ex,it seems to be a well built car,the engine is powerful,handling is great.
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Some don't like the interior and design is too bland. No 6speed and no 8K Si engine. If it displeases the "enthusiasts" Honda has to redo it so everybody is happy and of course it has to be recommended by CR.
P.S.Don't tell people here you like it, it might earn you a troll rating.
 Enthusiast driver on a good day.
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