NealX
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Strip off the concepty bits and I imagine this was darn close:
The mule wheels seem nearly identical to the past-gen Euro CTR wheels but with a slightly thicker spoke - and shade of G1 TSX wheels which where probably one of Honda's best wheel designs ever. Hondas are "wheel-sensitive" so these help a bit.
Still, I was hoping for a bit more but this new car appears "workable."
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The nose looks less "forward leaning" than your concept, but otherwise you were spot on.
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Gfn8r
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So Honda isn't using you on the side!! They owe you consultancy fees after this! ;-)
Is that closer to the "Modern Steel" or "Hermatite," you think? That lighting in these pix doesn't help to clarify the difference!
Great job!!
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rkn
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Hmm... you were pretty close, great job...
.. Although the only way one could call this car good looking is if you are comparing it to the current Accord...
And Honda will figure out a way to put bits and pieces on it that serve no purpose, do not belong and will make the car look uglier than your concept, if only to make sure the car is the ugliest of all the competitiors offerings. It is after all an ego boost for Honda NA when folks buy Honda for their reliability despite each car looking like one of Jaba the huts offspring.
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NealX
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Gfn8r wrote:
So Honda isn't using you on the side!! They owe you consultancy fees after this! ;-)
Is that closer to the "Modern Steel" or "Hermatite," you think? That lighting in these pix doesn't help to clarify the difference!
Great job!!
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What do you mean?! :-)
I suspect the mule is either Primer Black ;-) or simply Crystal Black Pearl minus the clearcoat.
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benbess
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Am I the only one who likes it? I think it looks good. And Neal was spot on. If it looks as good as his rendering I'll be wanting one at some point.
Competitive advantages of this design over the competition:
1. With the new Accord you'll be able to roll down your friggin' rear windows almost the way. Can't do that on Altima, Sonata, Passat etc.
2. The Accord will have better rear visibility than those cars too. That's huge for me. Sonata, Altima, and a lot of others have these tiny rear windows which, from the drivers seat, you can't see much out of--esp. the window right behind the driver. There's a big blind spot on other cars, compared to great visibility with the Accord.
3. The Accord will probably have better rear headroom than those "coupe-like" sedans.
Finally, I just like this functional BMW-esque style. Are BMWs radically different with each redesign. No. It's a great design that works and can just be subtly massages generation by generation.
And the Accord will be one of the very few sedans left with a manual. In fact, what else is even out there? Autos all around for Camry, Altima, Sonata (starting 2013), etc. And you can only get a 5 speed manual on the Passat.
I think the handling on this Accord is going to be better than the 8th generation.
My biggest worry at this point is the steering system on this new 9th gen. Will it be all electric, or electric and hydraulic?
Anyway, I like what I see so far...
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I agree, although it's hard to make out much beneath all the camo.
We are looking to replace our '03 Accord EX 5MT, which has been a superb car. From first appearances, this looks like it will fit the bill nicely, particularly with the availability of the DI, 2.4L with 6MT on the EX model.
I only hope they have reversed the interior "cheapification" they employed on the 08-12 models.
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benbess
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I have a 2008 Accord Sedan EXL Navi with a 5 speed manual. Had to special order that combo, which unfortunately no longer exists.
I also owned a 2002 Accord LX 5 MT.
Long story short the 08 Accord is better in almost every way than the 02. The interior quality of our 08 Accord is very good, and in fact it's almost Acura-like. I guess it's not an equal comparison because we were comparing LX vs EXL for different generations, but I think this generation of Accord is a very nice car all ways around.
The exterior styling of this generation is only so-so, I admit. The side view is good and bmw-like in a good way, but the front and back, I have to admit, are a bit blah. But as to the rest of car, overall, it is so much better than our 02 Accord that it's hard to compare. The 02 Accord sounded almost tinny in comparison when you closed the doors. The 08 Accord doors close like a bank vault.
I am glad the EX of the 2013 will allow a manual. Too bad you won't be able to get navi with a manual on the sedan....
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Gfn8r
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The mule looks like it has a bluish-purplish hue to it, along with the camo. The mirrors look black--they may be doing the Ody thing--black mirrors on all trims.
Or I may just be going color-blind! :-p
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benbess
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This new gen does seem to fix one of the problems with the current Accord--it's a bit of a porker.
Check out this sheet of comparison stats of all midsize cars from Automobile magazine. The Accord seems to be about the longest (c. 195 inches) and heaviest (c. 3350 lbs):
http://rumors.automobilemag.com/by-the-numbers-how-the-2013-nissan-altima-stacks-up-against-the-competition-143231.html
The current Accord is 4 inches longer and 200 lbs heavier than the new 2013 Altima.
I hope the new Accord loses some length and weight and yet still keeps most of its roomy interior....
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according2kev
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benbess wrote:
I have a 2008 Accord Sedan EXL Navi with a 5 speed manual. Had to special order that combo, which unfortunately no longer exists.
I also owned a 2002 Accord LX 5 MT.
Long story short the 08 Accord is better in almost every way than the 02. The interior quality of our 08 Accord is very good, and in fact it's almost Acura-like. I guess it's not an equal comparison because we were comparing LX vs EXL for different generations, but I think this generation of Accord is a very nice car all ways around.
The exterior styling of this generation is only so-so, I admit. The side view is good and bmw-like in a good way, but the front and back, I have to admit, are a bit blah. But as to the rest of car, overall, it is so much better than our 02 Accord that it's hard to compare. The 02 Accord sounded almost tinny in comparison when you closed the doors. The 08 Accord doors close like a bank vault.
I am glad the EX of the 2013 will allow a manual. Too bad you won't be able to get navi with a manual on the sedan....
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I think the OP was comparing the '03 Accord (the gen. following your old car) to the '08 Accord but I agree that overall the '08 is better.
I've owned all three generations in EXL trim (still have the '98 and '08) and I just don't see where Honda cheaped out so much on the 8G from the 7G. The only things that caught my attention was the thinner floormats and the cup holder lost it's spring loaded huggers, although it did gain a lid that the 7G lacked.
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Gfn8r
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according2kev wrote:
benbess wrote:
I have a 2008 Accord Sedan EXL Navi with a 5 speed manual. Had to special order that combo, which unfortunately no longer exists.
I also owned a 2002 Accord LX 5 MT.
Long story short the 08 Accord is better in almost every way than the 02. The interior quality of our 08 Accord is very good, and in fact it's almost Acura-like. I guess it's not an equal comparison because we were comparing LX vs EXL for different generations, but I think this generation of Accord is a very nice car all ways around.
The exterior styling of this generation is only so-so, I admit. The side view is good and bmw-like in a good way, but the front and back, I have to admit, are a bit blah. But as to the rest of car, overall, it is so much better than our 02 Accord that it's hard to compare. The 02 Accord sounded almost tinny in comparison when you closed the doors. The 08 Accord doors close like a bank vault.
I am glad the EX of the 2013 will allow a manual. Too bad you won't be able to get navi with a manual on the sedan....
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I think the OP was comparing the '03 Accord (the gen. following your old car) to the '08 Accord but I agree that overall the '08 is better.
I've owned all three generations in EXL trim (still have the '98 and '08) and I just don't see where Honda cheaped out so much on the 8G from the 7G. The only things that caught my attention was the thinner floormats and the cup holder lost it's spring loaded huggers, although it did gain a lid that the 7G lacked.
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In the MMC (MY '11), they took out the little LED light on the roof panel which lit up the console just a bit in the dark, and worse, they took out the glovebox light! (I could see that omission in a Civic, perhaps, but the Accord is supposed to be a step above in execution and features. My 1994 EX Sedan didn't have one, nor did my mom's '90 or current '07.)
Hopefully that stuff goes back in the Accord, even as DIY-able accessories. (Or that College Hills Honda in Wooster, OH can rig something up which runs off a circuit which active with parking or headlights active.)
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integrator
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Not to mention a lot of stuff most never notice in the current Accord EX that got cheapened: less expensive brake pads, less insulation, one color plastic to save money on multiple resin pigments, increase in hard plastic surfaces, cheaper cloth, cheaper trunk liner and hinges, and (look up) felt headliner. If you haven't noticed, you haven't looked very closely.
You're right... the Accord is supposed to be a class leader. But Mendels Honda is about finding a lower common denominator. We who remember a greater Honda paid more for the better product. Buyers dont get that kind of value from Honda these days.
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according2kev
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Gfn8r wrote:
according2kev wrote:
benbess wrote:
I have a 2008 Accord Sedan EXL Navi with a 5 speed manual. Had to special order that combo, which unfortunately no longer exists.
I also owned a 2002 Accord LX 5 MT.
Long story short the 08 Accord is better in almost every way than the 02. The interior quality of our 08 Accord is very good, and in fact it's almost Acura-like. I guess it's not an equal comparison because we were comparing LX vs EXL for different generations, but I think this generation of Accord is a very nice car all ways around.
The exterior styling of this generation is only so-so, I admit. The side view is good and bmw-like in a good way, but the front and back, I have to admit, are a bit blah. But as to the rest of car, overall, it is so much better than our 02 Accord that it's hard to compare. The 02 Accord sounded almost tinny in comparison when you closed the doors. The 08 Accord doors close like a bank vault.
I am glad the EX of the 2013 will allow a manual. Too bad you won't be able to get navi with a manual on the sedan....
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I think the OP was comparing the '03 Accord (the gen. following your old car) to the '08 Accord but I agree that overall the '08 is better.
I've owned all three generations in EXL trim (still have the '98 and '08) and I just don't see where Honda cheaped out so much on the 8G from the 7G. The only things that caught my attention was the thinner floormats and the cup holder lost it's spring loaded huggers, although it did gain a lid that the 7G lacked.
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In the MMC (MY '11), they took out the little LED light on the roof panel which lit up the console just a bit in the dark, and worse, they took out the glovebox light! (I could see that omission in a Civic, perhaps, but the Accord is supposed to be a step above in execution and features. My 1994 EX Sedan didn't have one, nor did my mom's '90 or current '07.)
Hopefully that stuff goes back in the Accord, even as DIY-able accessories. (Or that College Hills Honda in Wooster, OH can rig something up which runs off a circuit which active with parking or headlights active.)
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I wasn't aware of the omissions to the '11 model but still, we were hearing these comments before the mmc.
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according2kev
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integrator wrote:
Not to mention a lot of stuff most never notice in the current Accord EX that got cheapened: less expensive brake pads, less insulation, one color plastic to save money on multiple resin pigments, increase in hard plastic surfaces, cheaper cloth, cheaper trunk liner and hinges, and (look up) felt headliner. If you haven't noticed, you haven't looked very closely.
You're right... the Accord is supposed to be a class leader. But Mendels Honda is about finding a lower common denominator. We who remember a greater Honda paid more for the better product. Buyers dont get that kind of value from Honda these days.
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They changed the headliner for the mmc too?! My '08 has the nice woven headliner.
Just curious about a couple of things you mention. The one color plastics? I'm misunderstanding and confused on why that's a bad thing. Also, what's cheaper about the trunk hinges?
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The cheap interior was why I prematurely got rid of my '10 Accord and into a '12 TSX. There were so many clicks, rattles, and things just had a cheaper feel to them than the '07 Accord EX-L I traded for it. I absolutely love my new TSX and it actually reminds me more of my '07 Accord in this regard (and that's a good thing).
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according2kev
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gofast182 wrote:
The cheap interior was why I prematurely got rid of my '10 Accord and into a '12 TSX. There were so many clicks, rattles, and things just had a cheaper feel to them than the '07 Accord EX-L I traded for it. I absolutely love my new TSX and it actually reminds me more of my '07 Accord in this regard (and that's a good thing).
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We had totally different experiences. I did have the rear panel rattle in my '08 but other than that it's been flawless. My '03 had an intermittent squeak on the right side of the dash and during cold weather all four windows would creak whenever they were closed (which happened to be most of the time). I also had a very noticeable indent on the panel where the passenger side airbag deploys. I can actually see in my '08 too but just barely in the right lighting conditions.
I think the TSX is a great car! I would have one right now had the V6 been available when I bought the Accord.
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Jesse
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Neal wrote:
Strip off the concepty bits and I imagine this was darn close:
The mule wheels seem nearly identical to the past-gen Euro CTR wheels but with a slightly thicker spoke - and shade of G1 TSX wheels which where probably one of Honda's best wheel designs ever. Hondas are "wheel-sensitive" so these help a bit.
Still, I was hoping for a bit more but this new car appears "workable."
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Wow I am very surprised, it is indeed almost identical! Your rendering must've rattled Honda a bit haha! Curious, did Andrew (AFVM) have any influence/input on your rendering Neal? Impressive.
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NealX
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Welp, it was essentially logic driven and the rest was just craft on sorting out a believable visual (as you know!) with a bit of what apparently here is considered "time travel."
Andrew had no influence at all on this one. And even now it's amusing to go back and read the comments among the 17,000+ views. At the time he said, "no way" but now he seems to be saying I pretty much nailed it with an, "I told you so!" Though with my Concept C version he said I was "closer." So he's lost me on that one... ;-)
http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1030821
I simply looked closely at the coupe then extrapolated an equal amount of conservatism for the sedan yet it somehow had to respond to the Sonatas of the world - and that Honda's "best" would be to simply extend the c-pillar. Oh, the drama.
The coupe thickened the base of the c-pillar chrome piece so I did the same here. To align my image more with the mule it looks like I'd just have to trim a little front overhang, pull back the C just a bit more and extend the trunk so that the passenger compartment looks for central than rearward.
Anyways, as I said before I was hoping for more.
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Gfn8r
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according2kev wrote:
gofast182 wrote:
The cheap interior was why I prematurely got rid of my '10 Accord and into a '12 TSX. There were so many clicks, rattles, and things just had a cheaper feel to them than the '07 Accord EX-L I traded for it. I absolutely love my new TSX and it actually reminds me more of my '07 Accord in this regard (and that's a good thing).
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We had totally different experiences. I did have the rear panel rattle in my '08 but other than that it's been flawless. My '03 had an intermittent squeak on the right side of the dash and during cold weather all four windows would creak whenever they were closed (which happened to be most of the time). I also had a very noticeable indent on the panel where the passenger side airbag deploys. I can actually see in my '08 too but just barely in the right lighting conditions.
I think the TSX is a great car! I would have one right now had the V6 been available when I bought the Accord.
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That window creak finally became a "known issue," addressed with a TSB, which involves shoving Shin-Etsu grease into every nook and cranny around and inside the door seals around the windows with a pipe-cleaner. It's DIY-able, but I've been too lazy to do it, or to bother the dealer with it, on my '06. (First time I've been able to "just live with" a rattle in any car I've ever owned--my "ear" for car noises is a blessing and a curse!)
See this thread about the 7th-Gen airbag panels: http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=784373
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Is it possible to subscribe to threads and news at this site, instead of having to look at every thread for updates?
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NealX
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I did a mild revision to the 1st car now that the spy shots are out:
Extended the C-pillar; extended rear overhang; more upright deck lid; rear reflectors; revised exhaust; G1 TSX-type wheels; shortened front overhang; revised fog lights; more upright lower central grille; revised side skirts; Modern Steel Metallic paint.
Should be up sometime real soon.
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according2kev
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Cool, looking forward to it!
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benbess
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Neal wrote:
I did a mild revision to the 1st car now that the spy shots are out:
Extended the C-pillar; extended rear overhang; more upright deck lid; rear reflectors; revised exhaust; G1 TSX-type wheels; shortened front overhang; revised fog lights; more upright lower central grille; revised side skirts; Modern Steel Metallic paint.
Should be up sometime real soon.
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Cool!+++ What thread will it be in?
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6thaccord
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Neal wrote:
Strip off the concepty bits and I imagine this was darn close:
The mule wheels seem nearly identical to the past-gen Euro CTR wheels but with a slightly thicker spoke - and shade of G1 TSX wheels which where probably one of Honda's best wheel designs ever. Hondas are "wheel-sensitive" so these help a bit.
Still, I was hoping for a bit more but this new car appears "workable."
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Sorry if I'm off the 'topic'. Not been around here in 8 yrs or so. The 'RIM' that's on Neal's awesome work. Can I buy that particular rim as aftermarket? Do you know the name of this rim? Or link to a online shop? It looks very nice, very similar to the Audi A5 factory RIM. I was wishing Honda use this rim, it would make the Accord look more aggressive. Please advise. Thanks.
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Honda1
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Cool. Do you (or TOV) have a Twitter account?
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talon95
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according2kev wrote:
They changed the headliner for the mmc too?! My '08 has the nice woven headliner.
Just curious about a couple of things you mention. The one color plastics? I'm misunderstanding and confused on why that's a bad thing. Also, what's cheaper about the trunk hinges?
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My 2011 EX-L V6 has the same woven headliner as did my same model 2008 AND my same model 2003. Don't know if that still applies to lower trim levels. I do miss the ambient light over the console though, as well as the glove compartment light since the MMC. Worse yet is the tension spring in the fuel filler door… the damn thing is forever closing with the slightest wind. Instead of being held fully open and out of the way, it's always flopping IN the way.
Trunk hinges look no different across all 3 to me, if memory serves, so I would also like to know what the claim of cheaper hinges means.
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xBeastx
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Honda1 wrote:
Cool. Do you (or TOV) have a Twitter account?
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TOV does have a Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/#!/templeofvtec
@TempleofVTEC
And now for my opinion on the images. I think it looks surprisingly close, expect for the front. It seems as though the nose is too "coupe." I am also hoping that the taillights will be LEDs, considering the previous generation Accord had them.
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