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Could that be the "Sport" with a blacked out grill and spokes as wheels?
I think you will be slightly more relived when the wrap is taken off and you get a better look at the side, front and back......
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Potenza
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Could that be the "Sport" with a blacked out grill and spokes as wheels?
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This car has huge brakes, great wheels, sunroof, dual exhaust, projector headlights... on a car with a CVT 4cyl, sitting below an EX designation? Doesn't seem likely.
(Though if it were, sign me up!)
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Not sure either, but the brake rotors seem quite a bit bigger than on prior accords.
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WongKN
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The bigger brakes are a good thing isn't it ? I don't know about the US Accords but the local Accords have way under-spec brakes. The brakes faded after only a few fast corners when I was driving the car one a downhill test. Several owners have complained about brake pads wearing out prematurely as well as warped brake discs.
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Brakes were something people complained about, was it not? So if brakes are bigger it means Honda listens. Bigger brakes, lighter weight? and less noise? as well as 10-15% more fuel efficient sounds good.
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xBeastx
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Potenza wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Could that be the "Sport" with a blacked out grill and spokes as wheels?
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This car has huge brakes, great wheels, sunroof, dual exhaust, projector headlights... on a car with a CVT 4cyl, sitting below an EX designation? Doesn't seem likely.
(Though if it were, sign me up!)
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The wheels are from the FN2 CTR Civic.
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TXsalesguy
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Potenza wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Could that be the "Sport" with a blacked out grill and spokes as wheels?
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This car has huge brakes, great wheels, sunroof, dual exhaust, projector headlights... on a car with a CVT 4cyl, sitting below an EX designation? Doesn't seem likely.
(Though if it were, sign me up!)
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Add to that list the bump on the back for the satellite radio, Maybe a break in tradition, but no model below an EXL has had satellite radio.
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A77
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for what it is worth - all canadian Aaccords have xm..
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HONDA AFVM
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A77 wrote:
for what it is worth - all canadian Aaccords have xm..
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I didn't know they even had TV up there....LMAO........JK.......
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WongKN wrote:
The bigger brakes are a good thing isn't it ? I don't know about the US Accords but the local Accords have way under-spec brakes. The brakes faded after only a few fast corners when I was driving the car one a downhill test. Several owners have complained about brake pads wearing out prematurely as well as warped brake discs.
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With 60000 miles on my 2008 Accord V6, I've had to replace the rear pads twice due to wear and the front pads were replaced along with the rotors resurfaced due to warping.
My last Accord didn't need any brake work until I replaced all pads at 73000 miles.
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CanTex
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Yeah, we looked pretty silly when we crossed the border last week wearing ski jackets. Ya mean 28C isn't the same as 28F? ;-)
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CanTex wrote:
Yeah, we looked pretty silly when we crossed the border last week wearing ski jackets. Ya mean 28C isn't the same as 28F? ;-)
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ROFL!!!!
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HONDA AFVM
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Potenza wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Could that be the "Sport" with a blacked out grill and spokes as wheels?
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This car has huge brakes, great wheels, sunroof, dual exhaust, projector headlights... on a car with a CVT 4cyl, sitting below an EX designation? Doesn't seem likely.
(Though if it were, sign me up!)
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Who says the 4cyl isn't going to get duel exhaust?
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Potenza
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Potenza wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Could that be the "Sport" with a blacked out grill and spokes as wheels?
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This car has huge brakes, great wheels, sunroof, dual exhaust, projector headlights... on a car with a CVT 4cyl, sitting below an EX designation? Doesn't seem likely.
(Though if it were, sign me up!)
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Who says the 4cyl isn't going to get duel exhaust?
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That said, it would be a pretty wild move for conservative Honda! And almost against their ethos at this point, even... micro-polishing the pistons, dropping the auto for a CVT, and all the other minute details to squeeze out every ounce of efficiency... then to counter that by adding on a completely superfluous, heavy lump of steel; especially when its only purpose is to draw attention to the polar-ice-cap-melting exhaust (ha ha). I don't see it happening, especially considering even the Acura ILX hides its exhaust in every iteration, sporty 2.4L included.
If a dual exhaust is used, I see it being only to continue to differentiate the V6 model, where fuel efficiency and moderation take a back seat to power and "excess." But it remains to be seen!
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Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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Gfn8r
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benbess wrote:
Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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The remark about the engine brings up an interesting point for me regarding the ED 3.5 V6: according to the Acura literature, the new RDX has the following specs on the 3.5:
- VCM II enables cylinders to be shut off at cruising speeds in order to increase highway mileage. Fuel efficiency is enhanced by lower-friction piston rings, the ability to run on lower viscosity oil and transmission fluid, and other friction-reducing features. (0W-20 vegetable oil--check!! ;-) )
- i-VTEC®, which stands for Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control, enables the intake valves to open deeper and longer when the engine reaches approximately 4500 rpm to enhance airflow and allow the RDX to continue to build horsepower at levels where other engines may run out of steam.
That almost looks like what was noted on the EarthDreams-spec V6 (without the direct-injection). Am I wrong about the DI? Honda was crowing about the new, more powerful, yet more efficient J-series in the new Accord at NAIAS--this looks like the best of both worlds--VCM and a VTEC kick, which was lacking in the 8th-Gen Accord (and a reason I've waited to "pull the trigger")!
Jeff, Andrew, Neal--any confirmation to any or all of my drivel?
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Potenza
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benbess wrote:
Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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For the Accord sedan, that was 2011. Here is some information regarding those engines:
Both the 4- and 6-cylinder engines make use of a new plateau honing technique for the cylinder bores that generates a smoother surface. As a result, the piston rings achieve more consistent contact with the cylinder walls which generates improved ring-to-bore sealing along with reduced overall friction.
With the 2.4L I-4, the pistons make use of a new low-tension piston ring that reduces operating friction while the 3.5L V-6 uses a redesigned ion-plated piston ring design. In addition, the outer skirts of both the 4- and 6-cylinder pistons now feature a molybdenum coating applied in a unique dot-pattern application. The result is reduced overall friction as the pistons move within the cylinder bores.
You can see the dot-pattern coating in the pictures in this thread:
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1032017
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HONDA AFVM
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Gfn8r wrote:
benbess wrote:
Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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The remark about the engine brings up an interesting point for me regarding the ED 3.5 V6: according to the Acura literature, the new RDX has the following specs on the 3.5:
- VCM II enables cylinders to be shut off at cruising speeds in order to increase highway mileage. Fuel efficiency is enhanced by lower-friction piston rings, the ability to run on lower viscosity oil and transmission fluid, and other friction-reducing features. (0W-20 vegetable oil--check!! ;-) )
- i-VTEC®, which stands for Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control, enables the intake valves to open deeper and longer when the engine reaches approximately 4500 rpm to enhance airflow and allow the RDX to continue to build horsepower at levels where other engines may run out of steam.
That almost looks like what was noted on the EarthDreams-spec V6 (without the direct-injection). Am I wrong about the DI? Honda was crowing about the new, more powerful, yet more efficient J-series in the new Accord at NAIAS--this looks like the best of both worlds--VCM and a VTEC kick, which was lacking in the 8th-Gen Accord (and a reason I've waited to "pull the trigger")!
Jeff, Andrew, Neal--any confirmation to any or all of my drivel?
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As Jeff noted in the intro to this thread, all signs from my source point to DI...........
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NickDC5
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Potenza wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Could that be the "Sport" with a blacked out grill and spokes as wheels?
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This car has huge brakes, great wheels, sunroof, dual exhaust, projector headlights... on a car with a CVT 4cyl, sitting below an EX designation? Doesn't seem likely.
(Though if it were, sign me up!)
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The wheels are from the FN2 CTR Civic.
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I disagree. :)
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Gfn8r
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
benbess wrote:
Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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The remark about the engine brings up an interesting point for me regarding the ED 3.5 V6: according to the Acura literature, the new RDX has the following specs on the 3.5:
- VCM II enables cylinders to be shut off at cruising speeds in order to increase highway mileage. Fuel efficiency is enhanced by lower-friction piston rings, the ability to run on lower viscosity oil and transmission fluid, and other friction-reducing features. (0W-20 vegetable oil--check!! ;-) )
- i-VTEC®, which stands for Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control, enables the intake valves to open deeper and longer when the engine reaches approximately 4500 rpm to enhance airflow and allow the RDX to continue to build horsepower at levels where other engines may run out of steam.
That almost looks like what was noted on the EarthDreams-spec V6 (without the direct-injection). Am I wrong about the DI? Honda was crowing about the new, more powerful, yet more efficient J-series in the new Accord at NAIAS--this looks like the best of both worlds--VCM and a VTEC kick, which was lacking in the 8th-Gen Accord (and a reason I've waited to "pull the trigger")!
Jeff, Andrew, Neal--any confirmation to any or all of my drivel?
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As Jeff noted in the intro to this thread, all signs from my source point to DI...........
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Andrew, thanks for the clarfication--my bad! So this would be the EarthDreams setup. Best of both worlds from the get-go, plus the 6-speed slusher with paddles! Sign me up!
(For some reason, I assumed that the ED V6 would start in the Acuras and then move down to the Accord for the 2015 MMC. Jeff's recent statement about the fact that 93-octane is not necessary for the RDX (even "less necessary" than for a TSX, for example) should have tipped me off even more, since most Hondas can take regular gas--I'd guess that the RDX's mill is going to be what the Accord will get.)
Funny that the Acura specs don't mention anything about the direct-injection (or EarthDreams); I'd think that Honda could parlay that into a "green" selling point.
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HONDA AFVM
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Gfn8r wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
benbess wrote:
Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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The remark about the engine brings up an interesting point for me regarding the ED 3.5 V6: according to the Acura literature, the new RDX has the following specs on the 3.5:
- VCM II enables cylinders to be shut off at cruising speeds in order to increase highway mileage. Fuel efficiency is enhanced by lower-friction piston rings, the ability to run on lower viscosity oil and transmission fluid, and other friction-reducing features. (0W-20 vegetable oil--check!! ;-) )
- i-VTEC®, which stands for Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control, enables the intake valves to open deeper and longer when the engine reaches approximately 4500 rpm to enhance airflow and allow the RDX to continue to build horsepower at levels where other engines may run out of steam.
That almost looks like what was noted on the EarthDreams-spec V6 (without the direct-injection). Am I wrong about the DI? Honda was crowing about the new, more powerful, yet more efficient J-series in the new Accord at NAIAS--this looks like the best of both worlds--VCM and a VTEC kick, which was lacking in the 8th-Gen Accord (and a reason I've waited to "pull the trigger")!
Jeff, Andrew, Neal--any confirmation to any or all of my drivel?
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As Jeff noted in the intro to this thread, all signs from my source point to DI...........
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Andrew, thanks for the clarfication--my bad! So this would be the EarthDreams setup. Best of both worlds from the get-go, plus the 6-speed slusher with paddles! Sign me up!
(For some reason, I assumed that the ED V6 would start in the Acuras and then move down to the Accord for the 2015 MMC. Jeff's recent statement about the fact that 93-octane is not necessary for the RDX (even "less necessary" than for a TSX, for example) should have tipped me off even more, since most Hondas can take regular gas--I'd guess that the RDX's mill is going to be what the Accord will get.)
Funny that the Acura specs don't mention anything about the direct-injection (or EarthDreams); I'd think that Honda could parlay that into a "green" selling point.
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I always saw it as Economy works its way up from Honda to Acura and Performance works its way down from Acura to Honda............Just the way I have always seen it........;-)
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owequitit
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Gfn8r wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
benbess wrote:
Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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The remark about the engine brings up an interesting point for me regarding the ED 3.5 V6: according to the Acura literature, the new RDX has the following specs on the 3.5:
- VCM II enables cylinders to be shut off at cruising speeds in order to increase highway mileage. Fuel efficiency is enhanced by lower-friction piston rings, the ability to run on lower viscosity oil and transmission fluid, and other friction-reducing features. (0W-20 vegetable oil--check!! ;-) )
- i-VTEC®, which stands for Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control, enables the intake valves to open deeper and longer when the engine reaches approximately 4500 rpm to enhance airflow and allow the RDX to continue to build horsepower at levels where other engines may run out of steam.
That almost looks like what was noted on the EarthDreams-spec V6 (without the direct-injection). Am I wrong about the DI? Honda was crowing about the new, more powerful, yet more efficient J-series in the new Accord at NAIAS--this looks like the best of both worlds--VCM and a VTEC kick, which was lacking in the 8th-Gen Accord (and a reason I've waited to "pull the trigger")!
Jeff, Andrew, Neal--any confirmation to any or all of my drivel?
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As Jeff noted in the intro to this thread, all signs from my source point to DI...........
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Andrew, thanks for the clarfication--my bad! So this would be the EarthDreams setup. Best of both worlds from the get-go, plus the 6-speed slusher with paddles! Sign me up!
(For some reason, I assumed that the ED V6 would start in the Acuras and then move down to the Accord for the 2015 MMC. Jeff's recent statement about the fact that 93-octane is not necessary for the RDX (even "less necessary" than for a TSX, for example) should have tipped me off even more, since most Hondas can take regular gas--I'd guess that the RDX's mill is going to be what the Accord will get.)
Funny that the Acura specs don't mention anything about the direct-injection (or EarthDreams); I'd think that Honda could parlay that into a "green" selling point.
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The RDX does NOT feature the ED V6.
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Crazi Cars
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Will this thing be attractive? That's my concern.....
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Mechanic
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Crazi Cars wrote:
Will this thing be attractive? That's my concern.....
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Yes! Hold your cards and letters, folks. We have a winner.
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HONDA AFVM
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owequitit wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
benbess wrote:
Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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The remark about the engine brings up an interesting point for me regarding the ED 3.5 V6: according to the Acura literature, the new RDX has the following specs on the 3.5:
- VCM II enables cylinders to be shut off at cruising speeds in order to increase highway mileage. Fuel efficiency is enhanced by lower-friction piston rings, the ability to run on lower viscosity oil and transmission fluid, and other friction-reducing features. (0W-20 vegetable oil--check!! ;-) )
- i-VTEC®, which stands for Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control, enables the intake valves to open deeper and longer when the engine reaches approximately 4500 rpm to enhance airflow and allow the RDX to continue to build horsepower at levels where other engines may run out of steam.
That almost looks like what was noted on the EarthDreams-spec V6 (without the direct-injection). Am I wrong about the DI? Honda was crowing about the new, more powerful, yet more efficient J-series in the new Accord at NAIAS--this looks like the best of both worlds--VCM and a VTEC kick, which was lacking in the 8th-Gen Accord (and a reason I've waited to "pull the trigger")!
Jeff, Andrew, Neal--any confirmation to any or all of my drivel?
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As Jeff noted in the intro to this thread, all signs from my source point to DI...........
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Andrew, thanks for the clarfication--my bad! So this would be the EarthDreams setup. Best of both worlds from the get-go, plus the 6-speed slusher with paddles! Sign me up!
(For some reason, I assumed that the ED V6 would start in the Acuras and then move down to the Accord for the 2015 MMC. Jeff's recent statement about the fact that 93-octane is not necessary for the RDX (even "less necessary" than for a TSX, for example) should have tipped me off even more, since most Hondas can take regular gas--I'd guess that the RDX's mill is going to be what the Accord will get.)
Funny that the Acura specs don't mention anything about the direct-injection (or EarthDreams); I'd think that Honda could parlay that into a "green" selling point.
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The RDX does NOT feature the ED V6.
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The Accord will be Honda/Acura's FIRST "E.D." Produced car..........Only time will tell if the 13 Civic will get the change............Don't ya think it would be kind of stupid if the Accord is with in 1 MPG of the Civic HWY and 2 to 3 MPG city of the Civic?.........Now Marketing and engineering have a problem........
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longhorn
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HondaAFVM, you sell Toyotas too, whats the ratio of SEs to LEs, and XLEs sold?
Toyota was taken by surprise the SE's take, and has changed the production accordingly.
A sport edition is a smart trim addition on Honda's part. The older demographic can buy EXs and Lxs and the younger demo Sport.
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HONDA AFVM
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longhorn wrote:
HondaAFVM, you sell Toyotas too, whats the ratio of SEs to LEs, and XLEs sold?
Toyota was taken by surprise the SE's take, and has changed the production accordingly.
A sport edition is a smart trim addition on Honda's part. The older demographic can buy EXs and Lxs and the younger demo Sport.
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I don't have the exact numbers, but I know we are selling double the SE's this year then we did lase and we have double in inventory........LE's and XLE's have been flat.....
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owequitit
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
benbess wrote:
Tell us a little more about micro polishing the pistons....Is that new with the earth dreams engine, or have they been doing that for a while?
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The remark about the engine brings up an interesting point for me regarding the ED 3.5 V6: according to the Acura literature, the new RDX has the following specs on the 3.5:
- VCM II enables cylinders to be shut off at cruising speeds in order to increase highway mileage. Fuel efficiency is enhanced by lower-friction piston rings, the ability to run on lower viscosity oil and transmission fluid, and other friction-reducing features. (0W-20 vegetable oil--check!! ;-) )
- i-VTEC®, which stands for Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control, enables the intake valves to open deeper and longer when the engine reaches approximately 4500 rpm to enhance airflow and allow the RDX to continue to build horsepower at levels where other engines may run out of steam.
That almost looks like what was noted on the EarthDreams-spec V6 (without the direct-injection). Am I wrong about the DI? Honda was crowing about the new, more powerful, yet more efficient J-series in the new Accord at NAIAS--this looks like the best of both worlds--VCM and a VTEC kick, which was lacking in the 8th-Gen Accord (and a reason I've waited to "pull the trigger")!
Jeff, Andrew, Neal--any confirmation to any or all of my drivel?
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As Jeff noted in the intro to this thread, all signs from my source point to DI...........
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Andrew, thanks for the clarfication--my bad! So this would be the EarthDreams setup. Best of both worlds from the get-go, plus the 6-speed slusher with paddles! Sign me up!
(For some reason, I assumed that the ED V6 would start in the Acuras and then move down to the Accord for the 2015 MMC. Jeff's recent statement about the fact that 93-octane is not necessary for the RDX (even "less necessary" than for a TSX, for example) should have tipped me off even more, since most Hondas can take regular gas--I'd guess that the RDX's mill is going to be what the Accord will get.)
Funny that the Acura specs don't mention anything about the direct-injection (or EarthDreams); I'd think that Honda could parlay that into a "green" selling point.
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The RDX does NOT feature the ED V6.
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The Accord will be Honda/Acura's FIRST "E.D." Produced car..........Only time will tell if the 13 Civic will get the change............Don't ya think it would be kind of stupid if the Accord is with in 1 MPG of the Civic HWY and 2 to 3 MPG city of the Civic?.........Now Marketing and engineering have a problem........
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I think the ED powertrain will also be part of the 2013 Civic MMC. As Honda has already said, they are going to switch over to ED as fast as they can, and the already extensive changes coming with the '13 mean ED would make more sense to do all at one time. Not only does it improve perception and marketability, but it streamlines production changes, and it allows them to boost MPG and performance ratings on the Civic all at the same time. IMO, they know the Civic and Accord are their moneymakers, and I don't think there could have been a bigger wake-up call than bad reception of their #2 product. I hope they got the message in time to not F-up the #1 product, because we are specifically keeping our '09 Accord just a little bit longer in hopes that the 2013 is worth it. If they don't screw up quality or the interior, and the powertrain is really as it should be, we will GLADLY park a 2013 EX-L V6 or Sport V6 in our driveway. It would be nice to do that, because so far, I see it going relatively the way the Camry did, where they kept what worked and fixed what didn't. Honda already lost the chance to sell me a Civic Si this year, and it would be sad if they lost the opportunity on the Accord as well. It would definitely be a major shift in our history with Honda.
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longhorn
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TXsalesguy wrote:
Potenza wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
Could that be the "Sport" with a blacked out grill and spokes as wheels?
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This car has huge brakes, great wheels, sunroof, dual exhaust, projector headlights... on a car with a CVT 4cyl, sitting below an EX designation? Doesn't seem likely.
(Though if it were, sign me up!)
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Add to that list the bump on the back for the satellite radio, Maybe a break in tradition, but no model below an EXL has had satellite radio.
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That too me would a big sign that Honda gets it on the feature front. No reason XM should only be the domain of those who get leather.
Really excited about the Sport trim. A way for Honda to be attractive to two different demos with the same car. Older more affluent buyers can have the Touring (a shot at the Avalon without the extra size) and the younger demo that want something with a bit of flair and want a descent content for the money can have the Sport. Isn't that what the SE trim was? A LX with real rims and descent interior features. Sport will take it up a bit in the exterior department......maybe a different handling setup ( going back to the ride quality of the earlier Accords when they were stiffer).
When my wife chose her '12 Camry SE, she did so on the basis of looks (she stated it looks sporty). So smart play on Honda's part. Will be interesting to see what the product mix is twelve months from now.
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A77
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all accords in Canada have had XM for a few years now. Even lowly SE and EX models. Then again Canadian Accords cost a lot more. At one point we heard all 2012 Civics were getting XM but that was soon corrected. EXL only. Its silly - with bt streaming customers are bound to consider an internet alternative to xm - even if it won't work out of town.
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