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8k redline on that hypothetical K22, btw
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A77
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I have an Acura event to go to next week and will be driving the ILX and RDX against its `rivals`` at an event organised by Acura. be interesting to see what ILX rivals there will be. My past experience of these events is that they won`t let you drive manuals so I bet there will be ILX 2.slows only. And maybe a `professional`driver taking people in the 2.4. I am more interested with the RDX as a potential replacement for the TSX in early 2014, even if it`ll cost way more. the odds of a hybrid being there are zero - even the HCH hasn`t been sold for 2 years.
Part of my reason for going with the TSX was that it`s lease deal was so much cheaper than any VW - half a CC. So a no brainer.
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
Neal wrote:
For myself, I would not consider the Verano as an alt to the ILX, though it's emerging now that many are. I like to think that the buyers are much different people though both marketing teams don't seem to think so. Still rattled that Buick and Acura are being used in the same sentence - just like Regal and TSX...
Both need to ad 10-15 years to their target demographic. (Ugh, can't believe I'm using the phrase, "target demographic.") The car should be so awesome that EVERYONE wants it. |
Buick has gotten a lot of attention recently because the sheet metal on their cars has gotten nicer, and because GM has given the brand designs that are distinct from Chevy and Cadillac. I don't think the engineering that goes into these cars is all that great. Buick is the "budget" premium brand, and Acura has traditionally been the "good deal" on a premium car. No surprise that they are being compared. If Ford had saved Mercury by giving it unique vehicles for the premium segment, I think we'd see the same comparisons to Acura.
Is it possible to design a car for everyone?
What I really wish Honda would get away from is not allowing consumers to have more flexibility in packages.
The lack of Technology Package on the 2.4L model is perhaps the most glaring example of this. I have my own gripes though.
If I could get it, I would buy an ILX 2.0 with all the Tech Package features except leather seats, and a manual transmission. I can't customize this kind of vehicle. If I want a manual, I'm stuck with the 2.4L Premium. Which gives me leather, which I don't want, and leaves out the ELS audio, which I do want. If I was able to, I'd ditch the moonroof as I find them useless (just adds weight -- to the top of the car).
So basically, I won't buy an ILX because if I'm going to pay a lot for a car, I'm going to want to customize it exactly how I want it.
Honda and Acura's packaging makes me feel boxed in. I think the design is fantastic. It's a shame I can't get the combination of features that is right for me. Part of being luxury or premium I think is being able to get exactly what suits you.
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I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who thinks the sunroof and leather are way overrated. If Honda was truly focused on offering smart luxury, leather would disappear entirely from the mix and the sunroof would become an optional item. In a way it's sad that Honda thinks putting those items in most of their Acuras implies that Acura is a premium brand. It implies no such thing.
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mobis21
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Saw the ILX today.
Cramped. Was parked next to a Special edition TSX. The ILX was the tech package, and priced higher than a TSX. The rear seat in the ILX is CRAMPED.
Perhaps the ILX will draw in showroom traffic, and people will give the TSX a harder look as it's a much better buy.
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I saw one in person too, but can't give a review because I didn't have a chance to get inside it.
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Saw this at Toronto auto show. Feels same size or smaller than civic when I sat in it(currently lease 08 civic)....now looks like $35,000 for this in Canada???? Are they kidding? So many better options out there. This car is not gonna fly with a small interior and 150hp.....dont care what gen y thinks....the sales figures will have to prove me wrong.
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330R wrote:
99Type_SH wrote:
Well, if anyone cares, and I hope someone from acura is reading this. I was the OP and had waiting over a year for this sub-tsx to come out to replace my 06 FG2. Well, I was underwhelmed with the styling and really didn't care for the powertrain. It did get me into the showroom and I realized I liked the styling of the TSX. I took the TSX for a test drive but ultimately the skyhigh Canadian prices and lack of character sent me looking again. Test drove a GTI and while i wasn't impressed with the top end character everything else was amazing. The leather interior, the low end grunt, the smooth shifts, the exterior looks, the efficient turbo 4 cylinder. So I've got one on order, so long Honda/Acura, until we meet again....if we meet again that is.
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Would a 220hp K22 with a 6MT and LSD have made up for the underwhelming styling? If such a model existed, would you go for it?
Well, I don't blame you man. I had hoped for the return of the Integra, because by my estimation, that's what Acura needs and what I want to buy from them. I guess all these gen-Y folks itching to buy the ILX will get what they want instead.
Congrats and enjoy your MK VI GTI. Don't be a stranger to TOV, though. I recognize your screen name. We don't need to lose any more enthusiasts.
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To answer your question, I most definitely would have bought a K22, with 220hp. That's what I was looking for or even a factory Frankenstein K24 w K20 head with 240HP would have done it. I might be in the minority but I don't mind the 9th civic coupe and although I want to get something a little more upmarket I would likely already be driving the 9th if it had such a motor. I 100% for sure would already have money down on the ILX if it was equipped that way.
I am certainly going to be keeping an eye on this place. I'm very curious to see how the ED powertrains turn out although admittedly I think Honda/Acura is now quite a few years away from their next great performance motor. It's really sad that they have completely lost their way. I am very sceptical that this new 'strategy' is going to be more profitable over the long term.
But here's to hoping they eventually go DI turbo, or get Hybrid performance motors right. It will not be the NA screamers that we have grown to love but as long as it pulls hard to redline like a K20 and is fitted in a nice Honda chassis they'll be enthusiasts lined up for miles trying to buy them. Absence makes the heart grow fonder after all.
Now its off to APR to see about the stage 2 upgrade. $1300 for 70HP and 100 additional ft/lbs of torque sounds pretty good to me right now.
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VW reliability makes me nervous, so I don't ever think I will cross into that camp. That said, it is pretty sad that some Honda guys will consider or actually jump over to VW because Honda can't get shit straight.
For me, it is going to be Subaru. I am still on the fence only because I am waiting for some more news on the next gen WRX and the direction it will go in.
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DCR wrote:
VW reliability makes me nervous, so I don't ever think I will cross into that camp. That said, it is pretty sad that some Honda guys will consider or actually jump over to VW because Honda can't get shit straight.
For me, it is going to be Subaru. I am still on the fence only because I am waiting for some more news on the next gen WRX and the direction it will go in.
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Been there once. The only way I would go to a VW or Audi again would be through a lease. With their miserable resale value and spotty reliability I would never want to be left holding the title to one.
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Jeff wrote:
DCR wrote:
VW reliability makes me nervous, so I don't ever think I will cross into that camp. That said, it is pretty sad that some Honda guys will consider or actually jump over to VW because Honda can't get shit straight.
For me, it is going to be Subaru. I am still on the fence only because I am waiting for some more news on the next gen WRX and the direction it will go in.
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Been there once. The only way I would go to a VW or Audi again would be through a lease. With their miserable resale value and spotty reliability I would never want to be left holding the title to one.
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Been there once as well. Had a fully loaded Jetta with the VR6 and it died after hitting just over 70k miles and a little over 3 years old. Maintenance for the last 6 months cost me thousands of dollars. No kidding. I love the look of the CC before the refresh but won't be going anywhere near VW until their reliability improves and stays that way for at least a few years. A lease is the only way to go with VW/Audi, I only got about 33% resale value on my car after little more than 3 years.
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I actually saw my fist ILX Hybrid at Superior Acura In Fairfield, Ohio with manufactuer plates near Cincinnati. I was goldish in color and it was May18th. Parked in the customer parking. Looked nice, wish they were introducing a 2 dr vairent that could compete with the new BRZ... maybe a 2.3t version oh well....
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I know that VW is still not up with the Japanese makers in terms of reliability, and there is certainly a higher likelihood of a lemon but I factored this all in. It actually wasn't that long ago that I said I would never buy german cars but really there is nothing wrong with the way they drive. In fact they have a lot more spirit and have better equipped interiors than the competition. I am buying a 1 year lease return via the auction and plan to hold until the bumper to bumper warranty runs out (2 years). Also, I live literally 2 blocks from the dealership, so when/if there are issues it won't be too bad to deal with it.
If I wasn't able to get in at a whale of price and have the dealership just down the road I wouldn't be going VW/Audi either.
All this said I am still very excited to get into the new ride and I would not pay more to get into a new ILX. Maybe in a couple years if they tweaked the styling and the ED powertrain combo is too my liking.
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weird - VW residuals are often higher than Hondas in Canada. Other sources confirm they often hold their value better. But there may be a bitof a BMW/Mini factor here - people add so many options at new purchase so the real depreciation is higher.
Agreed the new CC does not look as nice as the old one.
And as i have said many times before the ILX is cramped - even Honda's own measurements show it to be smaller inside than the Civic. Let alone the TSX. I posted on another thread - could the lack of a 2.4 auto be due to packaging problems - the auto tranny being bigger and just won't fit without major modifications. Does a 2.4 auto on a civic platform exist anywhere?
There is nothing luxury about a regular sunroof now - but the panoramic ones do have this caché. Honda won't offer sunroof deletion any more as it increases inventory options which increases cost. bean counters.
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A77 wrote:
weird - VW residuals are often higher than Hondas in Canada. Other sources confirm they often hold their value better. But there may be a bitof a BMW/Mini factor here - people add so many options at new purchase so the real depreciation is higher.
Agreed the new CC does not look as nice as the old one.
And as i have said many times before the ILX is cramped - even Honda's own measurements show it to be smaller inside than the Civic. Let alone the TSX. I posted on another thread - could the lack of a 2.4 auto be due to packaging problems - the auto tranny being bigger and just won't fit without major modifications. Does a 2.4 auto on a civic platform exist anywhere?
There is nothing luxury about a regular sunroof now - but the panoramic ones do have this caché. Honda won't offer sunroof deletion any more as it increases inventory options which increases cost. bean counters.
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That is pretty surprising. I had assumed that Hondas had a higher resale value across the board versus VW. It could be a Canada vs. U.S. market thing.
I'd like to know why there isn't an auto 2.4 as well. I suspect it has more to do with Acura not being able to make a decision on whether to keep the TSX or not. With current pricing, the TSX is plain and simple the better value. Just another example of Acura's tepid approach to firmly establishing positions for their models.
Agreed on the sunroof option.
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Does anybody who has seen it know if the driver's seat has lumbar support? The pictures don't seem to show it. Its not very clear on their website either...
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gsi91j wrote:
Does anybody who has seen it know if the driver's seat has lumbar support? The pictures don't seem to show it. Its not very clear on their website either...
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yes, it has adjustable lumbar.
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Jeff wrote:
gsi91j wrote:
Does anybody who has seen it know if the driver's seat has lumbar support? The pictures don't seem to show it. Its not very clear on their website either...
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yes, it has adjustable lumbar.
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IDK, the Tech we got the other day doesn't have one.
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gsi91j
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Colin wrote:
Jeff wrote:
gsi91j wrote:
Does anybody who has seen it know if the driver's seat has lumbar support? The pictures don't seem to show it. Its not very clear on their website either...
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yes, it has adjustable lumbar.
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IDK, the Tech we got the other day doesn't have one.
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Thanks and bummer... Not to be negative, but feels like Acura cut a lot of little things from this car such as lumbar support, power passenger seat, side mirror turn signals, etc but added things like push button start all while pricing it the same as the TSX (for the 2.4L model). The ILX should be much cheaper for them to produce compared to the TSX since they aren't importing them and dealing with exchange rates. Not sure why they cut corners, but its disappointing. I really wanted to like this car.
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Colin wrote:
Jeff wrote:
gsi91j wrote:
Does anybody who has seen it know if the driver's seat has lumbar support? The pictures don't seem to show it. Its not very clear on their website either...
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yes, it has adjustable lumbar.
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IDK, the Tech we got the other day doesn't have one.
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whoah, wait. What? I guess I could have confused it with the RDX, but I could have sworn there was one of those lever-type adjustments in the ILX though. For the record the 13 RDX has a power operated lumbar. Anyhow, I never use the lumbar support except to move it to the minimum setting - I can't stand the feeling of the lumbar "support" jabbing me in the lower back.
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Stopped by my local dealer as they had Acura polo shirts buy 1 get 1 free; could not make up my mind if the wearer would look like an Acura employee or not, so did not buy any yet.
Did a walk around of the ILX: it was parked outside in the heat so it was rather quick & it was locked so no chance to gauge the interior. Overall, I thought it looked very nice altho it was missing some little things that even the 1st generation TSX had that could have made it more luxury-esque, such as side-mirror blinkers & chrome door handles (they could have added these to the tech package or something). Based upon the looks, this should be a decent seller for Acura.
On a side note: there were no 2013 RDXs left on the lot. No 2012 RLs either: they had 1 that sold rather quickly & I suspect that there will be no more.
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TSX69 wrote:
Stopped by my local dealer as they had Acura polo shirts buy 1 get 1 free; could not make up my mind if the wearer would look like an Acura employee or not, so did not buy any yet.
Did a walk around of the ILX: it was parked outside in the heat so it was rather quick & it was locked so no chance to gauge the interior. Overall, I thought it looked very nice altho it was missing some little things that even the 1st generation TSX had that could have made it more luxury-esque, such as side-mirror blinkers & chrome door handles (they could have added these to the tech package or something). Based upon the looks, this should be a decent seller for Acura.
On a side note: there were no 2013 RDXs left on the lot. No 2012 RLs either: they had 1 that sold rather quickly & I suspect that there will be no more.
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I stopped last night and looked at 3 ILX's and I thought the interior material selection was much better in person vs pictures. The car has nice lines overall but there's nothing special about it, it's too pricey and I get a Mazda3 vibe from it. Compared to the 6MT (which wasn't present) I'd simply get a 5dr VW GTi with the Autobahn package for less money and call it a day.
They has 3 new RDX's on the lot and the sales guy said they were selling extremely well. He said the longest lot time so far had been 4 days. They also has 3 "leftover" 2012 RDX's which had been reduced.
~Patrick
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Jeff wrote:
whoah, wait. What? I guess I could have confused it with the RDX, but I could have sworn there was one of those lever-type adjustments in the ILX though. For the record the 13 RDX has a power operated lumbar. Anyhow, I never use the lumbar support except to move it to the minimum setting - I can't stand the feeling of the lumbar "support" jabbing me in the lower back.
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That's my issue with Honda's newer power lumbar seats. It feels like a base ball wedged into your lower back. The 7th gen Accord had awesome lumbar support. It was spread across a much larger area of your back and contoured differently.
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Saw the ILX parked next to a TSX this weekend. Size wise I don't know why some think is the same size as the TSX. Looks smaller to me both inside and outside. Took a look at the window sticker for the 2.0 Tech, made me want the TSX even more. Looks wise, I think it looks good and no it does not look like a Civic IMO.
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MalcolmR
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http://magazine.windingroad.com/issue/82/
Malcolm
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'impressed' may be pushing it...the article sounded like one big 'meh' to me...
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A77
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The whole lumbar thing is wierd - the number of customers who say "does it have lumbar?"....the point is - is the seat comfortable and supportive as it is....some seats are just bad and have no support in the lower back (chevy cruze) and being non adjustable - it is on a long trip excrutiating. It desperately needs adjustment, or a re-design. Most Hondas don't need it - but occasionally on a long trip its nice to adjust it for a while. The 7 gen seats Accord seats were so good - way nicer than the 8gen - maybe better than the TSX too. I find Fit seats very supportive in the lower back too. Just the seat doesnt go back far enough.
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A77 wrote:
The whole lumbar thing is wierd - the number of customers who say "does it have lumbar?"....the point is - is the seat comfortable and supportive as it is....some seats are just bad and have no support in the lower back (chevy cruze) and being non adjustable - it is on a long trip excrutiating. It desperately needs adjustment, or a re-design. Most Hondas don't need it - but occasionally on a long trip its nice to adjust it for a while. The 7 gen seats Accord seats were so good - way nicer than the 8gen - maybe better than the TSX too. I find Fit seats very supportive in the lower back too. Just the seat doesnt go back far enough.
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I look for an adjustment for the seat bottom tilt more than lumbar adjustment. Long legs here, and being able to raise the front of the seat cushion really improves comfort.
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