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The salesperson I worked with today - and have worked with a number of times before - said that the nav system accepts both voice commands and interface dial inputs while the vehicle is moving. Having read this question already, I still forgot to verify it for myself during the test drive today! I had to call him after I left the dealership to ask.
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Alas, as Acura found out, being fun to drive doesn't always count for much these days, especially when it's middle-aged empty-nesters and young, high-income couples doing the buying. Turns out owners of previous RDXs didn't care much for its sporty dynamics -- they just wanted a good-looking, comfortable, fuel-efficient, and practical CUV for their daily commute. And that's pretty much what Acura has built for 2013.
Much of what made the original RDX feel special -- the firm ride, turbo antics, and crisp handling -- are gone from this 2013 version, but don't despair. The new RDX is more mature for a more mature buyer, and ultimately that will pay dividends in both customer satisfaction and Acura's profit margins.
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RogerH wrote:
The salesperson I worked with today - and have worked with a number of times before - said that the nav system accepts both voice commands and interface dial inputs while the vehicle is moving. Having read this question already, I still forgot to verify it for myself during the test drive today! I had to call him after I left the dealership to ask.
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Duuuude, you test drove it, give us some details.
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A very short test drive - about five miles. Heavy city traffic and a short distance on the interstate. Very quiet, very smooth, and very comfortable. I didn't floor it since it only had a few miles on it, but it felt very responsive. No real curves to check out the handling, but it felt good on the turns that we did have. Definitely felt more sporty than the Toyota/Lexus approach. Haven't driven the X3, so don't know how that would compare. I really liked the cockpit layout. Thought I saw a remark about limited front legroom. I'm 6-1 with a 34" inseam and I didn't put the seat all the way back, so I'm guessing that it would be fine for fairly tall drivers. I did my standard rear legroom test of sitting behind the driver's seat with it set exactly where I would want. I still had a couple of inches knee room when I sat in back, so it definitely passes that test. I expected a few more cubbyholes, etc. for storage, but it's okay - guess we've gotten spoiled by all the conveniences! Overall, I was very pleased with it and plan to buy one after the initial rush is over and they have a chance to make sure there aren't any initial production problems. I was considering an X3, but to really equip it comparably, it's a few thousand more. I priced one without the nav system, trying to keep the cost down, and it was still ~5K more that the RDX Tech. I just don't think the X3 can be enough sportier than the RDX to make me want to spend the extra money. I also feel more comfortable with Acura's reliability.
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AutoBlog: Bucking the DownSizing Trend for All the Right Reasons
Judging by the new demographic Acura is aiming at, the brand has managed to craft exactly the machine they decided their customers wanted. When you consider that the sales leader of the segment is the Lexus RX, it's easy to understand why Acura chose to soften the edge of its entry-level crossover. It's not going to light many fires in the hearts of driving enthusiasts, but it's not supposed to anymore. As a somewhat lower-cost alternative to its European rivals, the 2013 Acura RDX ought to make plenty of sense to the sizable segment at which it's directed.
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Thanks for the input. Sounds right up my alley. Great to hear your impressions. Now where is this review on this site???
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RogerH wrote:
A very short test drive - about five miles. Heavy city traffic and a short distance on the interstate. Very quiet, very smooth, and very comfortable. I didn't floor it since it only had a few miles on it, but it felt very responsive. No real curves to check out the handling, but it felt good on the turns that we did have. Definitely felt more sporty than the Toyota/Lexus approach. Haven't driven the X3, so don't know how that would compare. I really liked the cockpit layout. Thought I saw a remark about limited front legroom. I'm 6-1 with a 34" inseam and I didn't put the seat all the way back, so I'm guessing that it would be fine for fairly tall drivers. I did my standard rear legroom test of sitting behind the driver's seat with it set exactly where I would want. I still had a couple of inches knee room when I sat in back, so it definitely passes that test. I expected a few more cubbyholes, etc. for storage, but it's okay - guess we've gotten spoiled by all the conveniences! Overall, I was very pleased with it and plan to buy one after the initial rush is over and they have a chance to make sure there aren't any initial production problems. I was considering an X3, but to really equip it comparably, it's a few thousand more. I priced one without the nav system, trying to keep the cost down, and it was still ~5K more that the RDX Tech. I just don't think the X3 can be enough sportier than the RDX to make me want to spend the extra money. I also feel more comfortable with Acura's reliability.
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From what I could tell the X3 isn't any sportier - I found the interior to be more "premium" than the RDXs but the X3 I was driving stickered for $50k.
The 8AT bothered me a little bit in the X3. The standard programming made it feel really lazy. When in the right gear, the 3.0 6-cyl moves it fine, but thanks to the 8AT's logic I found myself in the wrong gear more often than not and it just doesn't want to respond very quickly to jabs at the throttle. The RDX's engine (even with VCM!) and 6AT trans combo feels much more athletic than the X3 as a result.
This is just an opinion but I think the X3 is dull and archaic looking, especially next to the Q3 and RDX. I think the Q5 is the RDX's strongest competitor though the 4-cylinder is a bit of a knock against it. It's far more responsive than the X3, better looking, and has a top notch interior. Apparently the Q5 is less than 10% more than a similarly equipped RDX, so this should be Acura's stiffest challenger, but the RDX has the advantage of the stronger, smoother, and more refined 6-cylinder. But that 2.0T is mighty impressive considering what it's been tasked with moving around.
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The 2013 Acura RDX has become "more" to or for a broader audience. It's got appreciable styling, decent fuel economy and, what Acura calls "high density packaging" or lots of stuff in a compact package.
The issue I maintain for the new RDX is that, despite Acura's desire to once again want to be an object of desire, as it once was, it stirs no emotions. It does nothing especially well, far from bad, is not striking aesthetically nor is it exhilarating to drive. The NSX, still roughly three years away, won't do any good for the brand in the short run...
I like the new RDX, but I can't say that I'd pick it over an Audi Q5 and BMW X3. I would consider it if I was in the market for a Lexus RX only because of Acura's perceived youthfulness that Toyota's luxury brand does not nor will ever have.
Prices are up for 2013 but content is up further. There is no "base" model for 2013; starting price is of $40,990 and the Tech package adds an extra $3,000. Acura expects that the Tech version should represent 60% of the total take. The 2013 Acura RDX will go on sale on April 2, 2012. It is built at East Liberty, Ohio and Acura Canada expects sales of 4,500 units in the next year.
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Much of what made the original RDX feel special -- the firm ride, turbo antics, and crisp handling -- are gone from this 2013 version, but don't despair. The new RDX is more mature for a more mature buyer, and ultimately that will pay dividends in both customer satisfaction and Acura's profit margins.
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To be honest, i'm not sure what the facination is with the Q5 (or Audi for that matter). When i shopped for a small SUV, I had the GLK/X3/RDX/Q5 as options, the X3 was outdated at the time 2010, the RDX had an interior that looked like the CSX i was selling and the Q5 was really really boring. The interior plastics on the door panel etc was really poor as well and the overall design of the dash was terrible. The only thing going for it was that it was $5K cheaper than the GLK I eventually picked up (Canada). I could see where every penny of the $5K went on the GLk compared to the Audi.
The new RDX with its price point blows this class of cars out of the water. It's selling for the same price as a stripped X1 here. lol. Unless you really need the badge there's no way any cars in its class tops this RDX.
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I was going to wait for the new RDX until too many posters were verifying that SH-AWD would be gone. So I went from a Miata with a LSD, to a BMW 335d that unbelievably for the money doesn’t have a LSD. I have a couple of corners on my commute that I love to take at speed, is like racing. With the Miata I could feel the LSD helping push me around corners. I really loved the sensation. I can actually take those same corners faster in the BMW, and I am sure it is all about traction control. It must be braking the inside wheels, which would be sort of the LSD idea.
I do think it is very short sighted of Acura to drop SH-AWD, because it is a wonderful product differentiator. However, I am looking forward to reviews about the cornering. Could electronic traction control do the same job, but differently, than SH-AWD?
If I was running Acura, I would have something out there to compete in Rally Races to show off SH-AWD. I only had one test drive with the old RDX, but I thought it cornered with that same push feel as my Miata. Just by improving the MPG Acura should sell a lot more RDX, but I do think they have made a mistake dropping SH-AWD.
A Type-S with a V6 Turbo and SH-AWD? Porsche Cayenne, here we come. Not with the current spirit of Honda being all about depriving plants of excess CO2.
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Phil17 wrote:
To be honest, i'm not sure what the facination is with the Q5 (or Audi for that matter). When i shopped for a small SUV, I had the GLK/X3/RDX/Q5 as options, the X3 was outdated at the time 2010, the RDX had an interior that looked like the CSX i was selling and the Q5 was really really boring. The interior plastics on the door panel etc was really poor as well and the overall design of the dash was terrible. The only thing going for it was that it was $5K cheaper than the GLK I eventually picked up (Canada). I could see where every penny of the $5K went on the GLk compared to the Audi.
The new RDX with its price point blows this class of cars out of the water. It's selling for the same price as a stripped X1 here. lol. Unless you really need the badge there's no way any cars in its class tops this RDX.
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yep. q5 looks so dated to me already. Its just a blob with no lines. I was one of those fascinated with it when it first released, now i find it really really boring.
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Edmunds Inside Line
From its improved fuel economy to the smoother ride quality, enhanced refinement and linear power delivery, the 2013 Acura RDX is far better equipped to take on its crossover rivals.
It may be fashionable to poo-poo any decision involving the de-sport-ification of a vehicle, but it is hard to find fault with the logic behind Acura's alterations to the RDX formula. Better still is that the end product, the 2013 RDX, is a wholly accomplished and enjoyable result.
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Does anyone have a pic of the new amber brownstone?
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Acura RDX Aimed at MainStream Buyers
The new RDX is aimed directly at the mainstream. In some ways it follows the predictable path redesigned vehicles often take -- slightly larger inside and out, more fuel efficient too. But it isn’t trying to capture the edgy design and personality of the outgoing model. I have to believe the changes they’ve made to the personality will make it the most popular model Acura sells, even though it’s missing features the other brands have had for years.
The 2013 RDX is a well done crossover that hits a broad sweet spot and it immediately impresses on a test drive. It’s only after a good hard look will shoppers find missing features, and that drops it from the luxury segment to the near-luxury category. While I firmly believe a lot of the doo-dads missing from the Acura’s option list are superfluous, many shoppers in this category will judge it by what’s not available. At the very least there should be an “advanced technology” package available for those who want it.
Mock overkill if you want but Acura needs more than “smart luxury”, it has to pack more wow into their cars if it wants to be seen as the equal to Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Infiniti and Cadillac. With RDX I’d settle for radar assisted cruise and panoramic roof. RDX is a very satisfying car at a good price point but without the next level of features it appears they aren’t trying as hard as the others. Modesty is an excellent quality in people, not luxury cars.
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TSX69 wrote:
Acura RDX Aimed at MainStream Buyers
The new RDX is aimed directly at the mainstream. In some ways it follows the predictable path redesigned vehicles often take -- slightly larger inside and out, more fuel efficient too. But it isn’t trying to capture the edgy design and personality of the outgoing model. I have to believe the changes they’ve made to the personality will make it the most popular model Acura sells, even though it’s missing features the other brands have had for years.
The 2013 RDX is a well done crossover that hits a broad sweet spot and it immediately impresses on a test drive. It’s only after a good hard look will shoppers find missing features, and that drops it from the luxury segment to the near-luxury category. While I firmly believe a lot of the doo-dads missing from the Acura’s option list are superfluous, many shoppers in this category will judge it by what’s not available. At the very least there should be an “advanced technology” package available for those who want it.
Mock overkill if you want but Acura needs more than “smart luxury”, it has to pack more wow into their cars if it wants to be seen as the equal to Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Infiniti and Cadillac. With RDX I’d settle for radar assisted cruise and panoramic roof. RDX is a very satisfying car at a good price point but without the next level of features it appears they aren’t trying as hard as the others. Modesty is an excellent quality in people, not luxury cars.
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Funny, I do think anyone judging a car for "what's available" instead of for "what you actually get" could be perfectly rich as well as many other things, but certainly not "smart" the way I would define it.
Don't get me wrong, I could understand people missing any kind of stuff (regardless of how superfluous I may think it is myself), but "bitching of something for not making available things I wouldn't get if they were?"
Com'on… let those people buy base BMW's while dreaming of having the pay-check to afford the fully featured ones...
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Modesty is an excellent quality in people, not luxury cars.
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Well that sums it up nicely for Acura, doesn't?
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danielgr wrote:
TSX69 wrote:
Acura RDX Aimed at MainStream Buyers
The new RDX is aimed directly at the mainstream. In some ways it follows the predictable path redesigned vehicles often take -- slightly larger inside and out, more fuel efficient too. But it isn’t trying to capture the edgy design and personality of the outgoing model. I have to believe the changes they’ve made to the personality will make it the most popular model Acura sells, even though it’s missing features the other brands have had for years.
The 2013 RDX is a well done crossover that hits a broad sweet spot and it immediately impresses on a test drive. It’s only after a good hard look will shoppers find missing features, and that drops it from the luxury segment to the near-luxury category. While I firmly believe a lot of the doo-dads missing from the Acura’s option list are superfluous, many shoppers in this category will judge it by what’s not available. At the very least there should be an “advanced technology” package available for those who want it.
Mock overkill if you want but Acura needs more than “smart luxury”, it has to pack more wow into their cars if it wants to be seen as the equal to Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Infiniti and Cadillac. With RDX I’d settle for radar assisted cruise and panoramic roof. RDX is a very satisfying car at a good price point but without the next level of features it appears they aren’t trying as hard as the others. Modesty is an excellent quality in people, not luxury cars.
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Funny, I do think anyone judging a car for "what's available" instead of for "what you actually get" could be perfectly rich as well as many other things, but certainly not "smart" the way I would define it.
Don't get me wrong, I could understand people missing any kind of stuff (regardless of how superfluous I may think it is myself), but "bitching of something for not making available things I wouldn't get if they were?"
Com'on… let those people buy base BMW's while dreaming of having the pay-check to afford the fully featured ones...
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I think today's base BMW buyers are tomorrow's fully featured BMW buyers...come to think of it, the way things are set up, any of today's Acura buyers are tomorrow's fully featured BMW buyers...I'm sure today's Acura buyers would like to aspire to be tomorrow's fully featured Acura buyers but, well...Acura doesn't cover that market...but BMW (and Audi, Mercedes, etc) does...
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I talked to a base 323i owner.
he said his car is an "M3 with a softer suspension and 200hp less.."
because he doesn't like to race, also he wanted a more compfy yet sporty ride!
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TSX69 I truly appreciate your effort in posting Acura/Honda related reviews. Keep it up!
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TurkMan71 wrote:
Modesty is an excellent quality in people, not luxury cars.
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Well that sums it up nicely for Acura, doesn't?
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Yup. And modesty is not a good thing if you're competing in a luxury segment IMO.
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I think the rdx is in a great place. I for one don't won't to see a 50k rdx which is what would happen if you went the BMW route and offered all these truly trivial features.
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Jesus. I just read the mt article. This thing is as quick as a tl. Good to see whatever they did to VCm did not compromise performance.
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Inside the RDX Acura has upgraded the materials with a soft touch dashboard and nice leather-like door trim. Metallic colored plastic trim and chrome help break up the cabin design and give it a bit of flair. The seats are comfortable with enough legroom in the rear for adults to sit comfortably. The cargo area is well packaged and features two handles to fold the rear seatbacks flat. This is definitely convenient when attempting to load larger items.
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Acura Gets it Right this Time with Its New RDX
There's a family resemblance in the design and styling But where the earlier RDX had a punishing ride, the new one is almost creamy, while still retaining decent handling from a more rigid body structure and more sophisticated steering and suspension system tuning.
Where the former model had power peaks and valleys, the new V6 engine pulls strongly throughout its range, and actually delivers way better fuel economy than the original.
Depending on the circumstances, it runs on three, four or six cylinders. The toggling back and forth among the different modes happens automatically and is unobtrusive.
Unaccountably, the rear seatbacks do not recline, a flaw from the original RDX.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
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After taking a closer look at the RDX this past week in the flesh all I can say is wow... I am probably going to wait and see what the new 6MT accord V6 sedan looks like but the RDX is on my list now (and I would have never before have considered an SUV).
I would be curious to hear from some of you Acura dealers as to what vehicles folks are coming out of for this RDX. The dealer I went to said believe it or not over half were V6 accords. (which is exactly what I drive).
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99SI wrote:
After taking a closer look at the RDX this past week in the flesh all I can say is wow... I am probably going to wait and see what the new 6MT accord V6 sedan looks like but the RDX is on my list now (and I would have never before have considered an SUV).
I would be curious to hear from some of you Acura dealers as to what vehicles folks are coming out of for this RDX. The dealer I went to said believe it or not over half were V6 accords. (which is exactly what I drive).
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Accord Sedan V-6 6MT? What have you heard?
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I keep thinking this new RDX is the result of a product planning process having simple goals, little input from outside forces, and a proper application of the talents of the people being paid to do such things. The '12 Civic is a good car for what it is which is an economy car. The sum of its parts could have been a lot greater had it not been subject to several changes in direction, changes in management philosophy for the car, and changes in how Honda read the economy in the US. My expectations for the '13 Civic "changes which address market reaction" are pretty low at this point.
Honda really needs to get out of the business of watering down its products to address every little complaint aired in the media. They need to simply say "this is our car. If you don't like it come back in five years." They need to place a proper value on the focus group mentality. They need to find a cohesive design language and stick with it through thick and thin (the current toned down Acura beak approach is getting there). And they need to build products for the American market which Americans are eager to purchase. Owning a 1st gen RDX I see this 2nd gen as a major hit for Acura.
Then Honda needs to be ready to go when their products become hits. An RDX shopper finding none in stock at the local dealer is unacceptable.
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The 6mt was confirmed for the sedan when the coupe concept was revealed.
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