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Honda is really screwing themselves. They are becoming less and less relevant. Nothing they make interests me at all. That's the first time I can say that since '97. Ito is destroying the brand with bland beige boring vehicles. So many other choices now. ILX will fail big time and join the long list....crosstour, ridgeline, element, CR-Zzzz, they all just plain suck. Either they are butt ugly or lack power. Honda is in trouble
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longhorn
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Check out their sales numbers versus the competition, and check out the amount of money Honda puts on the hood to move cars versus the competition. No, Honda is not in trouble.
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BachelorFrog
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Are you really that idiot. You posting about stuffs that is not related 2013 Civic in anyway.
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P54
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iahs2k wrote:
Honda is really screwing themselves. They are becoming less and less relevant. Nothing they make interests me at all. That's the first time I can say that since '97. Ito is destroying the brand with bland beige boring vehicles. So many other choices now. ILX will fail big time and join the long list....crosstour, ridgeline, element, CR-Zzzz, they all just plain suck. Either they are butt ugly or lack power. Honda is in trouble
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Are you having a bad day? Why not just buy the vehicle that interest you and be happy.
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xBeastx
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Let's not make assumptions so fast. It's just a low-res picture of the back, and there are no visible changes...expect for the tape hahaha.
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superchg2
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iahs2k wrote:
Honda is really screwing themselves. They are becoming less and less relevant. Nothing they make interests me at all. That's the first time I can say that since '97. Ito is destroying the brand with bland beige boring vehicles. So many other choices now. ILX will fail big time and join the long list....crosstour, ridgeline, element, CR-Zzzz, they all just plain suck. Either they are butt ugly or lack power. Honda is in trouble
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Your last post on March 17th got you a "Troll" rating. Seems like you haven't changed.
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DrWhiner
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No, I heard Honda was 'dead man walking' after its founder's death.
LOL
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montechester
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How about you actually write a well crafted, thoughtful post describing what you would like to see changed/improved about the current Civic? That would actually be relevant to the news item at hand. Your post is just another feeble attempt at trolling, and has no redeeming value whatsoever. If you really want Honda to hear you, then put together something reasonably intelligent and not just another pointless rant.
iahs2k wrote:
Honda is really screwing themselves. They are becoming less and less relevant. Nothing they make interests me at all. That's the first time I can say that since '97. Ito is destroying the brand with bland beige boring vehicles. So many other choices now. ILX will fail big time and join the long list....crosstour, ridgeline, element, CR-Zzzz, they all just plain suck. Either they are butt ugly or lack power. Honda is in trouble
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The S2000 was obviously the best car ever made? In fact, every Honda F1 car was just an S2000 with the fenders removed and a picture of google earth. There was so much technology in the car, honda stopped making it for fear of terrorists groups racing in at 9k rpms and activating the flux capacitor. Honda has never made a decent car since 1985.
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TheGandalf
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iahs2k wrote:
Honda is really screwing themselves. They are becoming less and less relevant. Nothing they make interests me at all. That's the first time I can say that since '97. Ito is destroying the brand with bland beige boring vehicles. So many other choices now. ILX will fail big time and join the long list....crosstour, ridgeline, element, CR-Zzzz, they all just plain suck. Either they are butt ugly or lack power. Honda is in trouble
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Dude, its a mid cycle refresh not a redesign! What eerie you expecting? Exterior changes will be small to attempt to make more appealing.
It is the interior that needed dome work but mainly better materials quality.
I look forward to see more details emerge (and reeeally hope to see soon some spyshots of the Accord.
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TXsalesguy
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TheGandalf wrote:
iahs2k wrote:
Honda is really screwing themselves. They are becoming less and less relevant. Nothing they make interests me at all. That's the first time I can say that since '97. Ito is destroying the brand with bland beige boring vehicles. So many other choices now. ILX will fail big time and join the long list....crosstour, ridgeline, element, CR-Zzzz, they all just plain suck. Either they are butt ugly or lack power. Honda is in trouble
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Dude, its a mid cycle refresh not a redesign! What eerie you expecting? Exterior changes will be small to attempt to make more appealing.
It is the interior that needed dome work but mainly better materials quality.
I look forward to see more details emerge (and reeeally hope to see soon some spyshots of the Accord.
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Add to that: I cannot remember a single instance of Honda making ANY MMC type changes from the first to the second year of a model cycle... EVER. When the 2nd year of a generation comes out, the brochures have the new year and a new picture on the cover, but the rest of the brochure is the exact same thing from the previous year.
I can think of some minor additions or changes along the likes of "New for 20umpteen: Illuminated steering wheel controls" Or something of equally exciting value. But never an MMC in the 2nd year.
Keep this in perspective folks....
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TonyEX
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iahs2k wrote:
Honda is really screwing themselves. They are becoming less and less relevant. Nothing they make interests me at all. That's the first time I can say that since '97. Ito is destroying the brand with bland beige boring vehicles. So many other choices now. ILX will fail big time and join the long list....crosstour, ridgeline, element, CR-Zzzz, they all just plain suck. Either they are butt ugly or lack power. Honda is in trouble
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Bif frickin' deal.. go get a VeDub or a Hyundai.. jeez.. man... like who gives a shit about you?
You know, it's a frickin' free world, you can get a car from anyone. This is not the Soviet Union...
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iahs2k
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There are many Honda corporate shills and sales pumpers here. The Civic is boring. The ILX is the real lame dog though. Watch how the ILX flops coming up soon. At least the civic is what it is....the ILX is a poser. 150HP GMAFB. No high power version. Honda = boring cars. To turn the company around they need to first get rid of Ito. Sayonara Ito. Then get rid of the sad excuse for cars like the Crosstour.....CR-Zzzz. CR-Zzz could be salvaged by gutting the hybrid crap and sticking in the Civic Si engine or one of the new upcoming ED engines. Add high perf engine options throughout the range. Turbos are OK to get immediate HP gains until the new NA ED engines arrive. Styling needs to improve. Playing it safe is not going to sell cars these days. You need to get noticed ...there are too many great cars out there. Hondas look BORING BLAND AND BEIGE.
Ito is an idiot and needs to go.
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owequitit
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longhorn wrote:
Check out their sales numbers versus the competition, and check out the amount of money Honda puts on the hood to move cars versus the competition. No, Honda is not in trouble.
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Look at the trends of how much cash Honda is putting on the hood...
While it may still not be as much as some others are laying out there, it is unquestionably headed in the wrong direction. Especially with the incentive kings (Ford and GM) working hard to head in the opposite direction. I don't think they are there yet, but if they start to produce 2-3 generations of good vehicles, then I don't think they will have a lot of trouble gaining a significant amount of traction on the concept of the reinvented D3. I know for a fact that I won't buy GM based solely on past experience. However, if they show me 10 more years of good product, I would be forced to logically reconsider.
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superchg2
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iahs2k wrote:
There are many Honda corporate shills and sales pumpers here. The Civic is boring. The ILX is the real lame dog though. Watch how the ILX flops coming up soon. At least the civic is what it is....the ILX is a poser. 150HP GMAFB. No high power version. Honda = boring cars. To turn the company around they need to first get rid of Ito. Sayonara Ito. Then get rid of the sad excuse for cars like the Crosstour.....CR-Zzzz. CR-Zzz could be salvaged by gutting the hybrid crap and sticking in the Civic Si engine or one of the new upcoming ED engines. Add high perf engine options throughout the range. Turbos are OK to get immediate HP gains until the new NA ED engines arrive. Styling needs to improve. Playing it safe is not going to sell cars these days. You need to get noticed ...there are too many great cars out there. Hondas look BORING BLAND AND BEIGE.
Ito is an idiot and needs to go.
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Since you have nothing constructive to add to this forum, I would simply change the last portion of your rant to say,
"iahs2k is an idiot and needs to go!"
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VTECyo!
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iahs2k wrote:
the ILX is a poser. 150HP GMAFB. No high power version. Honda = boring cars.
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Did Honda cancel the ILX 2.4 without us knowing?
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Chocs
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VTECyo! wrote:
iahs2k wrote:
the ILX is a poser. 150HP GMAFB. No high power version. Honda = boring cars.
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Did Honda cancel the ILX 2.4 without us knowing?
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They wanted to save up more than the LSD.
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iahs2k
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superchg2 wrote:
iahs2k wrote:
There are many Honda corporate shills and sales pumpers here. The Civic is boring. The ILX is the real lame dog though. Watch how the ILX flops coming up soon. At least the civic is what it is....the ILX is a poser. 150HP GMAFB. No high power version. Honda = boring cars. To turn the company around they need to first get rid of Ito. Sayonara Ito. Then get rid of the sad excuse for cars like the Crosstour.....CR-Zzzz. CR-Zzz could be salvaged by gutting the hybrid crap and sticking in the Civic Si engine or one of the new upcoming ED engines. Add high perf engine options throughout the range. Turbos are OK to get immediate HP gains until the new NA ED engines arrive. Styling needs to improve. Playing it safe is not going to sell cars these days. You need to get noticed ...there are too many great cars out there. Hondas look BORING BLAND AND BEIGE.
Ito is an idiot and needs to go.
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Since you have nothing constructive to add to this forum, I would simply change the last portion of your rant to say,
"iahs2k is an idiot and needs to go!"
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Like you have something constructive. superchg2a$$sniffr. LOL. Are you a paid shill from corporate or just a sales monkey liven' at a home with Ma. In any event Honda needs to start listening to their customer base. Cars like the gutless ILX are not what enthusiasts want.
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iahs2k
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VTECyo! wrote:
iahs2k wrote:
the ILX is a poser. 150HP GMAFB. No high power version. Honda = boring cars.
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Did Honda cancel the ILX 2.4 without us knowing?
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You mean the same 2.4 that's in the CIVIC Si? That doesn't cut it. The ILX should have discernibly MORE POWER not the same.
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Chocs
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iahs2k wrote:
Like you have something constructive. superchg2a$$sniffr. LOL. Are you a paid shill from corporate or just a sales monkey liven' at a home with Ma. In any event Honda needs to start listening to their customer base. Cars like the gutless ILX are not what enthusiasts want.
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Even Acura stated that the ILX was "no boy racer". I believe picking on the ILX because it's not an enthusiast car has become redundant.
They should have put the "I" in lower case... iLX... because they're apparently going for the iPad Generation with that car.
Also, superchg only made two posts in this thread. He must be pretty damn good at shilling because there's no evidence of it anywhere. Alternatively, I'd have to ask his Ma about the sales monkey thing but I don't really wanna do that.
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NickDC5
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iahs2k wrote:
Honda is really screwing themselves. They are becoming less and less relevant. Nothing they make interests me at all. That's the first time I can say that since '97. Ito is destroying the brand with bland beige boring vehicles. So many other choices now. ILX will fail big time and join the long list....crosstour, ridgeline, element, CR-Zzzz, they all just plain suck. Either they are butt ugly or lack power. Honda is in trouble
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ORLY?!
Sales say otherwise, especially considering this post was made on the the 2013 Civic item TOV posted.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/02/honda-civic-continues-its-unstoppable-death-march-towards-canadian-sales-dominance/
Civic sales are climbing back up now that the tsunami woes are fading.
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P54
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iahs2k wrote:
There are many Honda corporate shills and sales pumpers here. The Civic is boring. The ILX is the real lame dog though. Watch how the ILX flops coming up soon. At least the civic is what it is....the ILX is a poser. 150HP GMAFB. No high power version. Honda = boring cars. To turn the company around they need to first get rid of Ito. Sayonara Ito. Then get rid of the sad excuse for cars like the Crosstour.....CR-Zzzz. CR-Zzz could be salvaged by gutting the hybrid crap and sticking in the Civic Si engine or one of the new upcoming ED engines. Add high perf engine options throughout the range. Turbos are OK to get immediate HP gains until the new NA ED engines arrive. Styling needs to improve. Playing it safe is not going to sell cars these days. You need to get noticed ...there are too many great cars out there. Hondas look BORING BLAND AND BEIGE.
Ito is an idiot and needs to go.
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Have you seen the horsepower craze in Europe? It runs backwards, less and less HP, smaller engines etc. 60-70-80 Hp, you did hear about the new BMW 3 series and 134 HP and 1 series at 101 HP. And their new 3 cyl. engines. It's called progress. I think Honda is doing well in that regard, at least they keep the HP and engine size going upwards while at the same time using less gas and emitting less CO2 that governments like to tax.
So Civic is boring and ILX a lame dog. Sales then prove that a lot of people like boring cars, will be interesting to see how the buying public will receive a lame dog. Most people will buy safe and dependable cars in which Honda is a player. If they catered only to iahs2k they would be out of business long time ago.
To tell you the truth, Honda is ahead of the curve in things to come, when the others will catch up some day you can look back and see Honda as usual was ahead of the game.
So ILX has only 150 HP? Compare that to new 3series at 134HP. This is what USA today said about ILX:
The 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine starts with an edgy cough, a punk on the verge of misbehaving and faunching to bolt. Leave the rulemakers and manners police behind.
It makes the most of the chassis tuning that transformed the car from a Honda to an Acura.
And it loves to run hard.
The drivetrain is geared so you can downshift less often and not as far. For instance, in cases where a tight corner might suggest that you slap the gear lever down into third, from fifth or sixth, fourth was OK in the ILX.
2.4-liter four-cylinder rated 201 hp at 7,000 rpm, mated to six-speed manual.
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So ITO should be fired. For what? He was behind the original NSX and the most successful Acura, the MDX. He has already committed to the new NSX, in the spirit of the first one. What did you expect him to do in his first 2.5 years. Only God do miracles. What did the president of USA do the first 3.5 years, should he be fired? A whole lot of new vehicles and drive-trains will come out under his leadership, it takes some time to develop. And the vehicles you complain about was started on before he became president.
For a company to survive as an independent they need to sell a certain amount of cars to make things go around. That sale come from mainstream cars. Honda has been hit harder that all the rest due to earthquake, tsunami and flood, yet mastered it , is profitable and even committed to a high end sports car with smaller inexpensive ones to follow. As well as grassroots motorsport.
All those "niche" vehicles is based on existing cars, not too expensive to produce and a learning curve for models to come. If you call it playing it safe I would call it willingness to risk. If you think about the Civic being "playing it safe", well it seems it sells well, in USA and Canada.
Boring and bland designs have a tendency to age better than fancy designs. They stand the test of time better and after all style is subjective. Its how the car drive, is put together and stays together that pays in the long run.
If ITO is an idiot it seems he is using his "idiotic" capacity very well. How do you fare? What have you accomplished?
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I like how these Feed the Troll threads actually come out showing that some of us here on TOV still care for and defend Honda when needed.
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Ultima
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Holy fanboy attack batman! OP, you didn't know? Anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of Honda is a troll here. How dare anyone criticize sales success such as crzzz, crosstour, zdx, ridgeline, 4th gen TL, and the RL I hear is doing fantastic! The 9th gen Civic has great interior quality, so much so that we're getting an early MMC! Great job Ito! /sarcasm. Flame on!
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superchg2
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Ultima wrote:
Anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of Honda is a troll here.
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The dude (dudette) got the troll tag from TOV on the March 17th slam on the CRZ. I wonder if he (she) even owns a car?
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dominik331
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Ultima wrote:
Holy fanboy attack batman! OP, you didn't know? Anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of Honda is a troll here. How dare anyone criticize sales success such as crzzz, crosstour, zdx, ridgeline, 4th gen TL, and the RL I hear is doing fantastic! The 9th gen Civic has great interior quality, so much so that we're getting an early MMC! Great job Ito! /sarcasm. Flame on!
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You haven't been here long enough, have you? Why don't you first take a look at his post history and decide for yourself.
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according2kev
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dominik331 wrote:
Ultima wrote:
Holy fanboy attack batman! OP, you didn't know? Anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of Honda is a troll here. How dare anyone criticize sales success such as crzzz, crosstour, zdx, ridgeline, 4th gen TL, and the RL I hear is doing fantastic! The 9th gen Civic has great interior quality, so much so that we're getting an early MMC! Great job Ito! /sarcasm. Flame on!
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Why don't you first take a look at his post history and decide for yourself.
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Exactly. This person rarely (if ever) offers any constructive criticism and initiates some of the most redundant posts on TOV.
I called him out a couple of months ago starting another "LOL @ CR-Z" thread in less than a 3 week period here... http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1047784
Here are some other useless threads that seems to be started just to stir up trouble...
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1044120&news_item_id=1044014
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1043044&news_item_id=1042689
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1039541&news_item_id=1038191
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1037495&news_item_id=1036258
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1024057&news_item_id=1024032
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1024036&news_item_id=1024032
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1053288&news_item_id=1052808
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iahs2k is right on the money. I am a LIFELONG DIEHARD honda man-owning a Honda jet ski, lawnmower, snowblower, RSX-S, CRV, and 2008 TL. I want to see Honda CRUSH everyone. And making excuses for their horrible lack fo enthusiast cars is not going to cut it. Have you seen the Kia Optima? Its friggin GORGEOUS. The CRZ is such a joke I cant imagine who could defend it-no power, no space, crappy MPG. Compare to my 10 year old RSX-S getting up to 40MPG, seats 4, with a giant hatchback and also 200HP. Crosstour? All the weight of an MDX with 1/2 the utility. Joke. On and on. We Honda lovers know they can do better. The company that made the s2000 and NSX? They wimped out and were getting a crappy hybrid NSX instead of teh v10 supercar that would compete with lexus. Doesnt seem right that Honda backs down from a fight like that. The truth is car buyers these days want flash..and are flocking to kia and hyundai. Gen y doesnt remember that kia used to be junk and Honda used to be king like us older guys. memories dont pass muster today. Like the OP Honda has given us nothjing to be excited about. The pathetic 7,000 RPM redline on the new si/ilx is a great example. Oh and cast headers so you cant go aftermarket? Pathetic. The new ILX has the same suspension in every configuration! Hell you can get performance suspension in an ACCORD! I want to get excited about Hondas..but honestly my RSX-S and 2008 TL are the "best" for me right now as honda has a ton of "also rans" out now. The only thing slightly exciting is the new V6 RDX tons of power and decent mileage for 35k....much better value than 30k for ILX 2.4 (with an open diff no less!) Heck for 30k I could get a SWEET accourd coupe with a much better chassis and more room and more power. Knock about 5k off the ILX price and it may seem reasonable.
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I did not know Honda makes Jet ski. Or do you mean HondaJet (in the sky)? I do know they make watercraft but that is not jet ski.
Are you not proud of Honda making so many low selling niche vehicles. Owners are proud of them and really enjoy what they got. How many manufacturers caters to the special wants of so few people. Yes, they even made special low selling vehicles for a different breed of people too, with the likes of S2000 and NSX. If all Honda made was low selling niche vehicles they would be bankrupt, still they are willing to make those slow sellers for the people who likes those kind of vehicles.
So Honda wimped out with a crappy hybrid NSX? Just like Ferrari and Porsche is doing, however the Porsche is priced at some $900000, while NSX is real affordable smart sport luxury at only $100000 or in that neighborhood.
Just let the people who go for flash move to Kia and Hyundai, Honda is not into the flash making. Flash wears off.
Not everybody find 8000 rpm redline practical, most of the time people appreciate low and mid-range power. Even the enthusiasts that buy Si admit they go into VTEC occasionally, once a week, few times a month etc. Still Honda made special cars for those folks who enjoy the once in awhile trills. How many manufacturers do you find that cater to the folks with special needs. USA Today tester said ILX 2.4L was lots of fun, what more do you ask for?
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VTECyo!
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Honda does, in fact, make a jet ski. It's called the AquaTrax (http://powersports.honda.com/water.aspx). I've driven one, and I like it quite a bit. More than my Sea-Doo GTX, in fact.
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