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I noticed that when aligning your previous version with the Concept C, and can clearly see now that you did the same with the new version.
One thing is for sure, Honda won't compromise the trunk on the sedan as much as you did for making it look sportier/fastback styled. The rear trunk part will be much more vertical and not shaped towards the front of the car like in the coupe.
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Yeah. In the end, I actually spent less time on this one than I thought I'd have to invest. Maybe I was a little lazy! ;-)
Loosely in my head, I imagined the rear cargo space not being too compromised, the volume still being retained under the dramatic glass. Perhaps the opening to the trunk space would be less useful, but that's what an Accord Wagon would be for! :-)
And I think the way that rear bumper cover protrudes beyond the vertical face of the trunk lid furthers the illusion of the coupe-like, shorter rear deck.
As always, these renders have a such a degree of (virtual) realism that they become open for hyper scrutiny (some here have come to "lament" these Fantasies because the images are so idealized and bedazzled than when the real thing arrives the reaction is nothing less than "anti-climactic"). It's much harder to critique a loose sketch or marker drawing.
Like I mentioned in another thread, I was essentially going for the new essence of the design trending, rather than accuracy of the details. I'd guess the production version to be 60-70% of my "graphic."
You almost "never" comment on the Fantasy Factory cars - So thanks for your interest! ;-)
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I think Neal did a pretty sensible thing here. He just took the basic Roof and greenhouse of the Concept C and merged it with the Coupe concept. Maybe you're right about Honda not wanting to compromise trunk space, but again, this is more an idealization. His older concept for the sedan might have more bearing for the production version if you're right about the trunk, but hey, Honda must have had some good reason for the C in Beijing. I'm not buying the whole "Chinese exclusive model" for their market. Maybe if the roof-line won't get used, some of the front and rear elements will? While the front end is brash, I like how it used the upper lip (almost beak-like) to hold the H emblem. And the tail-lights are spot on. Would be great to see those on the sedan, but I have doubts.
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Neal wrote:
Yeah. In the end, I actually spent less time on this one than I thought I'd have to invest. Maybe I was a little lazy! ;-)
Loosely in my head, I imagined the rear cargo space not being too compromised, the volume still being retained under the dramatic glass. Perhaps the opening to the trunk space would be less useful, but that's what an Accord Wagon would be for! :-)
And I think the way that rear bumper cover protrudes beyond the vertical face of the trunk lid furthers the illusion of the coupe-like, shorter rear deck.
As always, these renders have a such a degree of (virtual) realism that they become open for hyper scrutiny (some here have come to "lament" these Fantasies because the images are so idealized and bedazzled than when the real thing arrives the reaction is nothing less than "anti-climactic"). It's much harder to critique a loose sketch or marker drawing.
Like I mentioned in another thread, I was essentially going for the new essence of the design trending, rather than accuracy of the details. I'd guess the production version to be 60-70% of my "graphic."
You almost "never" comment on the Fantasy Factory cars - So thanks for your interest! ;-) |
That said, I tend not to make comments on styling in general, unless there is some "philosophical talk behind it" (like brand image/perception, engineering limitations, etc.). On your photoshops I tend to comment even less (or not at all), not because of lack of interest, but because I tend to disagree with the majority of (to me overly positive) comments and do not feel writing down my opinion would help anyone.
That said, as I said before, I do appreciate the efforts and always find them "interesting" per se (it's always nice to get a realistic image of "what could be ..."). My favorite ones are for sure the wagons, if only NA people went back to buying those (as Jeff has done).
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I tried to remove the "Concept" design elements from the Concept C and attempted to stay as close to what I felt was the underlying theme. The only significant change that I made was to the front wheel location, it seems to be a couple of inches rearward of where I feel it should be. The upper crease and the lower surfacing seemed to end abruptly at the surface detail for the fender shapes, the resulting intersection seemed very clumsily resolved. Also, the vehicle wheel base felt very short because of the addition of ground effects on the fascia lowers and rocker panels, removing these helped the wheelbase appear longer and made the proportion more sophisticated.
The wheels were overly busy and a simpler wheel seems to allow the body forms become the dominant feature of the profile. The same goes for the front and rear graphics, very overwrought and overall they detract from the design :/, the Detroit coupe is much more successfully resolved and I tried to implement parts of that design.
I can't imagine that an Accord wouldn't a fully enclosed, bright finish DLO surround and I added that to the image.
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That looks great! Thanks!
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That is one very handsome car mero77! Even though I'm not one for all the creases and lines on these cars [the Mercedes/Hyundai look if you will] your dwg shows a sophisticated and well resolved vehicle. The only nitpick I would present is your solution for the rear door handle?
Well done, I just wish Honda would employ people like you and Neal rather than their current crop!
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mero77 wrote:
I tried to remove the "Concept" design elements from the Concept C and attempted to stay as close to what I felt was the underlying theme. The only significant change that I made was to the front wheel location, it seems to be a couple of inches rearward of where I feel it should be. The upper crease and the lower surfacing seemed to end abruptly at the surface detail for the fender shapes, the resulting intersection seemed very clumsily resolved. Also, the vehicle wheel base felt very short because of the addition of ground effects on the fascia lowers and rocker panels, removing these helped the wheelbase appear longer and made the proportion more sophisticated.
The wheels were overly busy and a simpler wheel seems to allow the body forms become the dominant feature of the profile. The same goes for the front and rear graphics, very overwrought and overall they detract from the design :/, the Detroit coupe is much more successfully resolved and I tried to implement parts of that design.
I can't imagine that an Accord wouldn't a fully enclosed, bright finish DLO surround and I added that to the image.
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looks good Mero77, great job.
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mero77 wrote:
I tried to remove the "Concept" design elements from the Concept C and attempted to stay as close to what I felt was the underlying theme. The only significant change that I made was to the front wheel location, it seems to be a couple of inches rearward of where I feel it should be. The upper crease and the lower surfacing seemed to end abruptly at the surface detail for the fender shapes, the resulting intersection seemed very clumsily resolved. Also, the vehicle wheel base felt very short because of the addition of ground effects on the fascia lowers and rocker panels, removing these helped the wheelbase appear longer and made the proportion more sophisticated.
The wheels were overly busy and a simpler wheel seems to allow the body forms become the dominant feature of the profile. The same goes for the front and rear graphics, very overwrought and overall they detract from the design :/, the Detroit coupe is much more successfully resolved and I tried to implement parts of that design.
I can't imagine that an Accord wouldn't a fully enclosed, bright finish DLO surround and I added that to the image.
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This actually looks hot.
My only problem is the rear overhang; to me, it seems to overpower the rest of the car. Perhaps if the rear could be shortened just a bit, or the rear wheel pushed back a few inches? (I think the former would be a better suggestion)
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Gfn8r
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ClementZ wrote:
mero77 wrote:
I tried to remove the "Concept" design elements from the Concept C and attempted to stay as close to what I felt was the underlying theme. The only significant change that I made was to the front wheel location, it seems to be a couple of inches rearward of where I feel it should be. The upper crease and the lower surfacing seemed to end abruptly at the surface detail for the fender shapes, the resulting intersection seemed very clumsily resolved. Also, the vehicle wheel base felt very short because of the addition of ground effects on the fascia lowers and rocker panels, removing these helped the wheelbase appear longer and made the proportion more sophisticated.
The wheels were overly busy and a simpler wheel seems to allow the body forms become the dominant feature of the profile. The same goes for the front and rear graphics, very overwrought and overall they detract from the design :/, the Detroit coupe is much more successfully resolved and I tried to implement parts of that design.
I can't imagine that an Accord wouldn't a fully enclosed, bright finish DLO surround and I added that to the image.
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This actually looks hot.
My only problem is the rear overhang; to me, it seems to overpower the rest of the car. Perhaps if the rear could be shortened just a bit, or the rear wheel pushed back a few inches? (I think the former would be a better suggestion)
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This does look good with these final touches! (Especially the chrome surrounding the door area like the current gen.) I think that they'll somehow put a "normal" door handle in the back, however.
I wonder if the real thing will have the front wheels pushed forward just enough to employ faired-in mirrors by starting the front of the door at the A-pillar, just like the coupe concept; I guess something like the Oddy's mirrors could work here, as well. Whatever the case, I hope the mirrors don't end up like the Civic's--they would look a little chunky on this car.
OK, Brenda (Priddy), throw us SOMETHING!!! The suspense is killing us!
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