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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um7Sd8tKaYQ&feature=youtu.be
Looks pretty :)
JCM
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superchg2
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The power of dreams!
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Chocs
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If only old man Honda were still here :')
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HondaJet
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The F3 HondaJet color looks suspiciously similar to the Indiana Pacers, very close to the Indianapolis 500 racetrack and Honda calling this "our sportscar in the sky."
All of the HondaJets colors, silver gray, blue, red and now yellow, were all colors of the NSX supercar. Very clever.
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longhorn
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I know there are some on this board who can't tell the difference between a Cessana from a Boeing,and think this is a waste or resources. But this aircraft has and will turn the bizjet world upside down.
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TonyEX
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Nice glass displays in the cockpit too.
But, you know:
(1) The engines redline at 71000rpm, NOT 82000.
(2) You can't get it without NAVI.
(3) The headphones are made by Bose.
You know...
Other than that, it's a very cool thing and likely the best marketing idea Honda has had for a while.
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Waldo
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Too much front overhang. They had to jerry rig this silly little wheel to compensate. FAIL!
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VTECyo!
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Wow, talk about a fail from Honda!
It's not priced below $20,000 so there's no way it will sell. It doesn't get 800 miles per gallon, and it doesn't have a revolutionary new 15 speed transmission. Honda still insists on using that same yellow color that they've had for the past 15 years, and they don't sell it with the most expensive Michelin tires possible, so they must not be good. Also, did you see the fit and finish in that interior? I counted at least two plastics that weren't soft touch and leather stitched, and don't even get me started on that headliner.
Once again, another awful product from Honda that will stand no chance of meeting the sales targets.
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WHAT, no V8?
At least it's mid-engined.
Why couldn't they rely on just one engine? What a waste.
Agreed. Front overhang is a deal breaker.
What's the resale?
Very few dealers.
Head room is abysmal.
Why did they design it in Torrance?
Where's the Acura version. Always poor Acura get's left out.
I wanna hatchback.
I'll bet the Euro version is way better.
If they brought out the hatchback with a couple of sports racing stripes I'd buy it immediately.
What happened to Earth Dreams? Honda is constantly changing its plans.
Who cares anyway. The world is going to end tomorrow.
Malcolm
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MalcolmR
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Honda's first jet engine is 35% more efficient than the previous most efficient.
Honda's first jet aircraft is similarly more efficient than its competitors.
Its roots are in little motorbike engines.
I have more admiration for this company than any other. The philosophy that drives it is a beacon to business people and humanity.
Malcolm
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MalcolmR
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I'll bet there's no CD player in it.
Malcolm
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TonyEX
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MalcolmR wrote:
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I'll bet there's no CD player in it.
Malcolm
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Who needs a CD player when you can have this
http://www.flightdisplay.com/
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FiSH-Chan
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No torque, it only started moving when engine nearly at full speed. Worst than CVT.
No sliding armrest and covered cupholders.
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P54
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longhorn wrote:
I know there are some on this board who can't tell the difference between a Cessana from a Boeing,and think this is a waste or resources. But this aircraft has and will turn the bizjet world upside down.
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Just like Honda turned the two wheeler and automotive industry upside down. I guess just about everything they do turns things upside down. Do you really know who triggered the rest of the world to improve engineering and quality. Honda. They have been a catalyst for so many others to change and improve their ways.
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superchg2
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
No torque, it only started moving when engine nearly at full speed. Worst than CVT.
No sliding armrest and covered cupholders.
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No gears to shift, either!
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owequitit
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longhorn wrote:
I know there are some on this board who can't tell the difference between a Cessana from a Boeing,and think this is a waste or resources. But this aircraft has and will turn the bizjet world upside down.
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Sorry, but you are way optimistic there.
1) This jet does move the bar in certain ways. It has a roomier cabin than most light jet competitors, it cruises faster, and features a real lav (instead of the port-a-potty behind a curtain; emergency use only "lavatories") that most small jets feature. However, none of that is insurmountable by the competition either, and the Hondajet has several very potentially limiting factors in the aviation industry.
First, this jet has a no wind IFR range with reserves of about 1200NM. Most competitors are closer to being able to do 1400-1500NM with reserves, albeit at a slower speed. The reason this will be a hurdle for Honda is flexibility. While most trips fall in the ~1-1.5 hour realm and thus cover less than 1,000NM, most prospective buyers will look at it and see the range as a limitation vis a vis its competitors because while they may not go that far often, it is inconvenient to have to stop for gas when they do. Honda will also have to compete against used jets with far more capability, which is true for any new jet design. I am curious to see how the jet performs at high altitudes and on hot days, because they could conceivably use that to counter any range issues. The Honda jet is a VERY sturdy climber for this category, but so is the Citation.
2) The G3000 is a great avionics suite and it is very powerful and capable for ANY level of aircraft, but any other company can add it as well, and there are several competitors out ther e that are just as capable, but may not be as easy to step up from a G1000 or other lower end airplane that likely has Garmin in it somewhere.
3) It is less about sales channels in aviation and more about support channels. Honda has put a system in place with certain FBO's to provide maintenance, but a lot will hinge on convenience of maintenance availability, and more importantly, parts availability. Airplane parts aren't produced in the quantities of car parts, so Honda will have to make sure they have a fantastic distribution and support infrastructure. Personally, I think they will, but until they do, they are fighting uphill against Cessna, Hawker/Beechcraft, Embraer and several others. Cessna especially is Honda's Goliath. They sell more bizjets than anybody else, they support them, and they have a HUGE number of repeat buyers. More people have learned to fly in Cessna's products than any other company period, and they continue to lead the industry in nearly every market they compete in. Cessna also has the very clear advantage of a very clearly delineated step up line. That means that as a company grows (contrary to popular myth, most jets are owned by companies and work for living, not play for a living) they are more likely to choose Cessna initially because Cessna can grow with them. Cessna's products are also hugely durable and reliable.
4) Unlike its halo cars which Honda allowed to rot on the vine, they will NOT be able to do that with this airplane. If they do not embrace a program of continual and notable improvements, then it will wither on the vine within 5-10 years. Cessna has already begun formulating a response in the Citation M2. It will be slightly slower, but have more range and is based on a proven design by a proven company.
Honda's engine innovation does show through here very much, but they will have to continue to innovate with this product if they want to remain relevant. However, with ~100+ orders for the Hondajet, it has a long way to go before it turns the industry upside down, and most competitors are already responding. I hope for Honda's sake they pursue it with maximum zeal because it is one of the roughly 3 bright spots for their transportation end in the last 10 years IMO (the others being the CTR and the Clarity).
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owequitit
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MalcolmR wrote:
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Honda's first jet engine is 35% more efficient than the previous most efficient.
Honda's first jet aircraft is similarly more efficient than its competitors.
Its roots are in little motorbike engines.
I have more admiration for this company than any other. The philosophy that drives it is a beacon to business people and humanity.
Malcolm
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The problem is that unless they improve it, they will be eclipsed and left sucking dust. There are already several new technologies in play that are promising to increase FE by double digit % points, including increasing use of composites and better aerodynamic optimization.
Also, while the Hondajet is CURRENTLY more fuel efficient than its competitors, they will catch it if Honda remains stagnant, and probably within half a decade.
It is impressive given Honda's roots, but then again, it could be argued that Boeings roots were in fabric covered kites with small engines on them, so Honda isn't exactly the only respectably innovative company. Also, while Honda has traditionally been a beacon of innovation, this project was started back in the early 90's gestating in various forms today, and most of the management that signed off on it is long gone. It is must logically be acknowledged that just because the innovation was there in the mid-90's doesn't mean that it will continue, as we are seeing the results of innovation Honda pursued 10 years ago, not 10 years from now. That said, this is currently my favorite Honda project and I hope they are committed because I would like to be able to fly one in the future.
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