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I understand peoples desire to know more details ahead of the official release, but I have to wonder if posts like this one sometimes set Honda up to fail?
What I mean is that people will get their hopes up on a particular color combination, just to have them dashed when the REAL information is released and it does not match their ideal. The more optimistic the estimation is, the more risk there is for disappointment.
There have been many examples of this over the years on this and other fan sites. Well meaning people take guesses that somehow get twisted into fan expectations, and are sometimes even thought of by others as official claims from Honda itself. Then when the REAL information does not match the built up expectation, we see an unending trail of complaints from upset fans.
Even the title of this article makes it appear as though these are color swatches from Honda, and for those that don't read carefully, it would be easy for them to come away from this thinking they knew what their color choices are going to be when the model is launched.
Please use some caution when presenting information that is strictly a guess, even if it is an educated one. Neals renditions of potential Honda/Acura model variations are another example of this. I very much enjoy Neals work, but I can see how some might get attached to those images then be upset when the real thing doesn't look like the mock up.
I don't want to see any of this stuff stop, I enjoy it as much as the next fan. I just want to offer that the line between official Honda released information, and that from the imagination of a talented contributor, is clearly drawn.
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montechester wrote:
I understand peoples desire to know more details ahead of the official release, but I have to wonder if posts like this one sometimes set Honda up to fail?
What I mean is that people will get their hopes up on a particular color combination, just to have them dashed when the REAL information is released and it does not match their ideal. The more optimistic the estimation is, the more risk there is for disappointment.
There have been many examples of this over the years on this and other fan sites. Well meaning people take guesses that somehow get twisted into fan expectations, and are sometimes even thought of by others as official claims from Honda itself. Then when the REAL information does not match the built up expectation, we see an unending trail of complaints from upset fans.
Even the title of this article makes it appear as though these are color swatches from Honda, and for those that don't read carefully, it would be easy for them to come away from this thinking they knew what their color choices are going to be when the model is launched.
Please use some caution when presenting information that is strictly a guess, even if it is an educated one. Neals renditions of potential Honda/Acura model variations are another example of this. I very much enjoy Neals work, but I can see how some might get attached to those images then be upset when the real thing doesn't look like the mock up.
I don't want to see any of this stuff stop, I enjoy it as much as the next fan. I just want to offer that the line between official Honda released information, and that from the imagination of a talented contributor, is clearly drawn.
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I think in the last 20 years not a single color leak from Honda has been wrong.
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montechester
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On the color names, I have no doubt, it's the color samples shown, especially for the new/renamed colors that I wonder how close the tones may be. Besides, this is just an example of a bigger concern that I have noted over the years, as I mention in my message.
I may be totally alone in this concern. It's not the 1st time, and probably won't be the last. So, if nobody else agrees that this could be an issue, please ignore my ramblings and move on.
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JeffX
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montechester wrote:
On the color names, I have no doubt, it's the color samples shown, especially for the new/renamed colors that I wonder how close the tones may be. Besides, this is just an example of a bigger concern that I have noted over the years, as I mention in my message.
I may be totally alone in this concern. It's not the 1st time, and probably won't be the last. So, if nobody else agrees that this could be an issue, please ignore my ramblings and move on.
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Actually I had a discussion with Neal about this when he said he wanted to make the color swatches. I was sort of hoping he'd put a disclaimer directly on the swatches so there would be no confusion...
But the list of color names is 100% legit...
Last edited by JeffX on 05-11-2012 09:26
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I do see your point. One could argue that a big contributor to the disappointment surrounding the ILX is related to its "entry level" status, which got people comparing it to the RSX even before its unveiling.
... Was the RSX an "entry level"? We don't have Acura here, and I'm relatively new to the automotive circle...
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DCR
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montechester wrote:
I understand peoples desire to know more details ahead of the official release, but I have to wonder if posts like this one sometimes set Honda up to fail?
What I mean is that people will get their hopes up on a particular color combination, just to have them dashed when the REAL information is released and it does not match their ideal. The more optimistic the estimation is, the more risk there is for disappointment.
There have been many examples of this over the years on this and other fan sites. Well meaning people take guesses that somehow get twisted into fan expectations, and are sometimes even thought of by others as official claims from Honda itself. Then when the REAL information does not match the built up expectation, we see an unending trail of complaints from upset fans.
Even the title of this article makes it appear as though these are color swatches from Honda, and for those that don't read carefully, it would be easy for them to come away from this thinking they knew what their color choices are going to be when the model is launched.
Please use some caution when presenting information that is strictly a guess, even if it is an educated one. Neals renditions of potential Honda/Acura model variations are another example of this. I very much enjoy Neals work, but I can see how some might get attached to those images then be upset when the real thing doesn't look like the mock up.
I don't want to see any of this stuff stop, I enjoy it as much as the next fan. I just want to offer that the line between official Honda released information, and that from the imagination of a talented contributor, is clearly drawn.
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1. No one reads anything here, and no one here matters (as claimed several times over), so I am sure it doesn't matter if anyone here is disappointed.
2. No one sets Honda up to fail but Honda.
3. If people choose not to read carefully, who is to blame?
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Jeff wrote:
montechester wrote:
On the color names, I have no doubt, it's the color samples shown, especially for the new/renamed colors that I wonder how close the tones may be. Besides, this is just an example of a bigger concern that I have noted over the years, as I mention in my message.
I may be totally alone in this concern. It's not the 1st time, and probably won't be the last. So, if nobody else agrees that this could be an issue, please ignore my ramblings and move on.
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Actually I had a discussion with Neal about this when he said he wanted to make the color swatches. I was sort of hoping he'd put a disclaimer directly on the swatches so there would be no confusion...
But the list of color names is 100% legit...
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Yeah. I did try putting a disclaimer on each, but for aesthetic reasons, putting it right up top seemed the best place.
"All colors are approximate and subject to change."
All things considered, I think Jeff's stand-alone disclaimer does a much better (larger, bolder) job of making the point.
Between Credibility Ratings, "NOTE," "PLEASE," "we are unable to determine," "created," "limited info," "might look like," "...pure guesses," "best guesses," "don't be disappointed," "different from the real color..." and more, all within a single post, what's left to say?! "Fantasy Factory" cars are the same thing: "Fantasy."
Taking in to account our level of INTEGRITY over these many years, the notion of a "possible setup" borders on the ridiculous. Though I personally don't take any offense, I know how a well made graphic or image can sway, influence and create the notion of plausibility and legitimacy. And I'd never subject any of you to looking at a piece of crap.
I can't think of any instance where we've let our audience down, intentionally mislead, concealed the truth, couched an opinion, or not taken appropriate steps to confirm the steady stream of rumors, news and speculation that pours in to Jeff's mailbox on a daily basis. For sure there's a lot more that you don't see than what you ultimately do.
And DCR is absolutely right in stating that Honda is ultimately responsible for Honda...
Last edited by NealX on 05-11-2012 13:49
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montechester
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Neal, I was in NO WAY meaning to attack YOU, Jeff, or any other individual for that matter. I didn't accuse anyone of any intentional wrong doing, because I don't believe anything truly "wrong" has been done deliberately. What I tried to do, apparently with mixed results, was to point out how seriously articles on TOV are taken by many fans, and with good reason.
Maybe I chose the word "setup" poorly, because it might imply some negative intent to some. There are plenty of indications on this article that SHOULD inform people the color swatches themselves are only approximations based on best guesses by someone with much experience in this area.
I truly respect your work and all the effort you put into everything you do on this site. You are a true, dedicated fan and the quality and intentions of your material is unquestioned. This article was not the sole focus of my point, it was merely the latest in a series of many that made me wonder how many people DON'T read carefully and get the idea in their head that whatever they see here must somehow represent OFFICIAL information in one form or another.
It just seems lately, that rumors, educated guesses, and made up specs, facts, or images seem to become etched in fans minds so deeply that when the REAL information comes to light, and they don't match, then disappointment is followed by anger, endless ranting, and a generally negative vibe that often seems way out of proportion with reality.
Is it yours or Jeffs fault when fans blow these things up in their mind beyond reason? Of course it isn't, but I was simply pointing out that is DOES happen, and anything that can be done to mitigate this would be worth exploring. I don't have any easy answers, I just felt the need to put the idea out there in hopes it may help adjust some thought processes back in line with the real world situation at times.
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montechester
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Thanks so much for clearly illustrating my point regarding some fans inherent negativity!
And as I have said MANY times before, you'd be surprised who reads these forums and how much weight information here can carry. What does NOT have any sway is mindless, aimless, non-specific ranting, cursing, calls to "fire everybody", and other uninformative, non-quantifiable, drivel that makes no specific identifiable complaint or request. My personal favorites are "it sucks", "fail", "hate it", "ugly", "meh!", and any other meaningless garbage that can't be addressed because it provides no direction whatsoever. Add to this, any complaint where curse words outnumber polite, informative, adult vocabulary.
DCR wrote:
1. No one reads anything here, and no one here matters (as claimed several times over), so I am sure it doesn't matter if anyone here is disappointed.
2. No one sets Honda up to fail but Honda.
3. If people choose not to read carefully, who is to blame?
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NealX
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montechester wrote:
Neal, I was in NO WAY meaning to attack YOU, Jeff, or any other individual for that matter.
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I totally understand. It's all good, friend.
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integrator
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DCR wrote:
1. No one reads anything here, and no one here matters (as claimed several times over), so I am sure it doesn't matter if anyone here is disappointed.
2. No one sets Honda up to fail but Honda.
3. If people choose not to read carefully, who is to blame?
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Your point #2, I find particularly true. And Honda releases these tidbits specifically to drum up speculation and chatter ahead of a release....its called 'free advertising' and 'anticipation'. The ones who don't realize that are only fooling themselves with more apologism and excuse.
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DrWhiner
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Just some thoughts:
- is it possible to put the note [I think] from Jeff:"*NOTE: Neal created the above color swatches to give you an idea of what these colors might look like. PLEASE, keep in mind that several of the new, never before seen colors are pure guesses on Neal's part. His best guesses are based upon the color's name, so don't be disappointed should some of these turn out to be different from the real color. " above the color palettes?
- and the title to something like 2013 Accord color list? [the color names comes from the "source", but the "colors" come from Neal.]
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saitamahonda
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montechester wrote:
On the color names, I have no doubt, it's the color samples shown, especially for the new/renamed colors that I wonder how close the tones may be. Besides, this is just an example of a bigger concern that I have noted over the years, as I mention in my message.
I may be totally alone in this concern. It's not the 1st time, and probably won't be the last. So, if nobody else agrees that this could be an issue, please ignore my ramblings and move on.
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Funny that you mention this because I find that I am most disappointed in honda's actual photography on their brochures and website photos. In particular the basque red color which is always almost a hyper red is brighter and redder than the maroon that it is.
I for one am guilty for not having read in depth the available color combinations (partially because of a newborn fighting to control the same screen space on my iPad) and mistakenly presumed a white exterior with ebony interior. I come to vtec to get previews, rumors, and speculations of what might be. In terms of veracity, the Honda brochures should reflect reality instead of heightened reality. In this regard I find HDR and motion blur to be silly too. My eyes don't see in HDR or see blurry trails even with my Oakleys on. I am still upset with Honda that there isn't a Roma or Milano red cr-v like Canada and Europe does when many basque red photos appear in brochures to be closer to those colors!
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montechester
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Jaded much! Tell me again why you are still here? You clearly aren't a fan of either Honda or Acura anymore, if you ever were, and judging from your frequent and bitter posts, that isn't likely to change anytime soon. So why not cut some stress out of your life and go hang out in a Hyundai forum?
integrator wrote:
...And Honda releases these tidbits specifically to drum up speculation and chatter ahead of a release....its called 'free advertising' and 'anticipation'. The ones who don't realize that are only fooling themselves with more apologism and excuse.
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integrator
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no, I'm just smarter than a 5th grader.
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NealX
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^LOL.
So I'm wondering, why is it always Hyundai? I'll offer up that when Honda takes care of Honda, there's no real reason to mention ANY other manufacturer. We'll be too busy immersed and reveling in Honda's awesomeness.
Until then, look to the easiest scapegoat...
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Husker
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