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TSX 3,138 +13.7%
Regal 2,852 -37
IS 2,344 -.1%
1series 741 -38.1%
A3 642
3series 9,003 +20.8%
Cclass 6,424 +22.8%
LaCrosse 4,545 -19.5%
CTS 4,545 -19.5%
A4 3,108 -6.6%
ES 3,000 -3.4%
TL 2,997 +16.8%
G 2,090 -19.2%; coupe 872 -31.2%
Eclass 5,328 -.3%
5series 3,566 -2.8%
GS 2,006 +421%
A6 1,565 +136.8%
M 461 -45.3%
RL 33 -79.5%
Sclass 948 -12.3%
7series 516 -32.1%
LS 438 -36.5%
A8 358 -28.7%
RX 6,842 -1.3%
Q5 2,462 +24.5%
x3 2,479 +8.9%
GLK 2,065 +7.3%
RDX 1,984 +66.2%
Enclave 5,000 -4.4%
SRX 3,998 -8.7%
MDX 3,952 +13.7%
x5 3,566 -2.8%
Mclass 3,057 +53.6%
JX 2,079
Q7 887 +12.3%
GX 751 -17.1%
FX 486 -25%
X6 405 -22.4%
ZDX 71 -54.6%
Versa 8,335 +30%
Sonic 6,599 +12.1%
Accent 6,160
Fiesta 5,135 -43.9%
Yaris 4,274 +142%
Rio 4,006
Golf 3,876 +14.6%
Fit 3,202 -55.6%
2 1,048 -23.4%
SX4 854 -15%
Corolla 24,804 +15.2%
Civic 24,423 -8.8%
Focus 19,425 +12.5%
Cruze 18,205 -27.6%
Elantra 16,836
Jetta 15,658 -7.6%
3 8,508 -.9%
Sentra 7,410 -20.9%
Forte 7,053
Impreza 6,791 +124.2%
Camry 36,820 +36.1%
Accord 35,385 +41.3%
Malibu 21,906 -11.3%
Fusion 21,610 +2%
Sonata 20,521
Altima 16,239 -5.8%
200 13,343 +61%
Avenger 11,147 +47%
Optima 11,021
Passat 10,096
Legacy 3,799 -4.43%
6 3,780 +38.3%
Kizashi 464 -20%
Impala 14,965 -29%
Charger 7,881 -6%
300 7,763 +138%
Taurus 6,664 +6.4%
Maxima 3,444 +1.4
Avalon 2,881 +20.9%
Azera 953
Camaro 9,627 -11.3%
Mustang 7,801 -4.6%
Challenger 4,102 +13%
Genesis 3,548
370z 785 -16.7%
Prius 25,168 +101.7%
CT 1,620 +108.3%
Volt 1,462 +196.6%
Insight 738 -68.6%
LEAF 370 -35.4%
CR-Z 334 -79.3%
HS 28 -88.7%
Veloster 3,192
Juke 2,887 -12%
Soul 10,716
xB 1,617 -.6%
Cube 573 -66.9%
Outback 8,548 -9.69%
Venza 3,501 +5.8%
CrossTour 1,769 -6.6%
CR-V 23,627 +22.6%
Equinox 18,282 +7.1%
Escape 16,986 -20%
Rav4 15,196 +9.7%
Rogue 8,563 +1.6%
Forester 5,666 -15.61%
CX-5 3,521
Tucson 3,909
Sportage 3,277
Tiguan 2,333 -16.4%
CX-7 1,388 -51.7%
Grand Vitara 304 -21%
Explorer 13,419 +6.6%
Edge 10,520 +12.4%
Sorento 9,610
Highlander 9,352 +18.3%
Pilot 8,827 +4.7%
Traverse 7,752 -19.8%
Durango 3,257 -36%
Murano 3,009 -9.6%
CX-9 1,523 -44.6%
Toureg 718 +12.2%
Tribeca 154 -36.1%
Caravan 11,183 +27%
Town & Country 10,773 +22%
Odyssey 10,476 +18.4%
Sienna 8,451 -7.2%
Santa Fe 6,318
Flex 2,724 +41.4%
Quest 1,958 +96%
Sedona 1,867
Routan 908 -2.9%
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TSX- Sure Acura go ahead kill it and replace it with the mighty ILX, it's your best selling sedan, so you might as well. (Where is my red font)
Accord- Look at those impressive numbers from our old buddy, Sonata what?
Q5, X3 and GLK, the RDX is coming for ya!
Not bad for JX first month, MDX hurry up with that new model.
A6 and M, will they ever do any better?
Isn't the Mazda CX-5 supposed to be the CR-V killer?
The Pilot isn't the prettiest, but it holds up pretty good against the competition.
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Who can stop the Prius??
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98EX4cyl
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dominik331 wrote:
Who can stop the Prius??
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I think the only Honda that could slow down Prius sales would be a CRV hybrid. Hondas hybrid cars haven't made a dent due to poor product decisions (CRX - 2 seater, Insight - chintzy interior, original Insight - 2 seater, Civic Hybrid lacked original design) , so lets try a hybrid CUV. American prefer SUVs over sedan right?
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98EX4cyl wrote:
dominik331 wrote:
Who can stop the Prius??
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I think the only Honda that could slow down Prius sales would be a CRV hybrid. Hondas hybrid cars haven't made a dent due to poor product decisions (CRX - 2 seater, Insight - chintzy interior, original Insight - 2 seater, Civic Hybrid lacked original design) , so lets try a hybrid CUV. American prefer SUVs over sedan right?
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Even better, bring back the Element as a hybrid - the name would fit into the 'Green' marketing of hybrids and the original Element had a loyal following.
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98EX4cyl wrote:
dominik331 wrote:
Who can stop the Prius??
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I think the only Honda that could slow down Prius sales would be a CRV hybrid. Hondas hybrid cars haven't made a dent due to poor product decisions (CRX - 2 seater, Insight - chintzy interior, original Insight - 2 seater, Civic Hybrid lacked original design) , so lets try a hybrid CUV. American prefer SUVs over sedan right?
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Honda's hybrids haven't made a dent because IMA simply isn't powerful enough and their insistence on Japan production has negated any pricing advantage the 'small battery' mild hybrid direction 'should' have provided. Honda's philosophy of IMA is similar to VTEC, assist when you need it, but less compromise (heavy batteries) when you don't. Obviously this didn't work out.
Also (IMO) Honda marketing allowed the media and Toyota to 'define' the genre as mild and full hybrids. I'm 100% sure that the next gen system will get Honda fully in the game at the expense of being able to have a manual transmission (CR-Z).
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I just noticed that the total sales of the BMW 3 and 5 series are greater than the sales of the entire line of acuras wth?
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Anyone have a good idea why the Kia Soul has been doing WAY better than the Nissan Cube or Scion xB? Clearly it isn't price.
Perhaps there is a market for a Honda Box smaller than the Element.
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VTECyo!
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Accord, Civic, CR-V, and Odyssey are all doing great!
I'm rooting for the RDX to do really well, and this first month points to success. ILX and Civic withstanding, I'm very impressed with Honda's recent releases. The RDX seems to be great, the Odyssey is very nice (I bought one), the CR-V is kicking ass and taking names, and the updates to the Insight and Pilot show that they're still committed to their products. I have hope for the new Accord!
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civicw wrote:
Anyone have a good idea why the Kia Soul has been doing WAY better than the Nissan Cube or Scion xB? Clearly it isn't price.
Perhaps there is a market for a Honda Box smaller than the Element.
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Kia's marketing has been spot on.........And Toyota has recently stated the XB may not be replaced.
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Forgot the EX & Lincoln:
TSX 3,138 +13.7%
Regal 2,852 -37
IS 2,344 -.1%
1series 741 -38.1%
A3 642
3series 9,003 +20.8%
Cclass 6,424 +22.8%
LaCrosse 4,545 -19.5%
CTS 4,545 -19.5%
A4 3,108 -6.6%
ES 3,000 -3.4%
TL 2,997 +16.8%
G 2,090 -19.2%; coupe 872 -31.2%
MKZ 1,863 -26.8%
Eclass 5,328 -.3%
5series 3,566 -2.8%
GS 2,006 +421%
A6 1,565 +136.8%
MKS 1,298 +56.8%
M 461 -45.3%
RL 33 -79.5%
Sclass 948 -12.3%
7series 516 -32.1%
LS 438 -36.5%
A8 358 -28.7%
RX 6,842 -1.3%
Q5 2,462 +24.5%
x3 2,479 +8.9%
GLK 2,065 +7.3%
RDX 1,984 +66.2%
EX 226 -48.5%
Enclave 5,000 -4.4%
SRX 3,998 -8.7%
MDX 3,952 +13.7%
x5 3,566 -2.8%
Mclass 3,057 +53.6%
JX 2,079
MKX 1,882 +1.2%
Q7 887 +12.3%
GX 751 -17.1%
FX 486 -25%
X6 405 -22.4%
ZDX 71 -54.6%
Versa 8,335 +30%
Sonic 6,599 +12.1%
Accent 6,160
Fiesta 5,135 -43.9%
Yaris 4,274 +142%
Rio 4,006
Golf 3,876 +14.6%
Fit 3,202 -55.6%
2 1,048 -23.4%
SX4 854 -15%
Corolla 24,804 +15.2%
Civic 24,423 -8.8%
Focus 19,425 +12.5%
Cruze 18,205 -27.6%
Elantra 16,836
Jetta 15,658 -7.6%
3 8,508 -.9%
Sentra 7,410 -20.9%
Forte 7,053
Impreza 6,791 +124.2%
Camry 36,820 +36.1%
Accord 35,385 +41.3%
Malibu 21,906 -11.3%
Fusion 21,610 +2%
Sonata 20,521
Altima 16,239 -5.8%
200 13,343 +61%
Avenger 11,147 +47%
Optima 11,021
Passat 10,096
Legacy 3,799 -4.43%
6 3,780 +38.3%
Kizashi 464 -20%
Impala 14,965 -29%
Charger 7,881 -6%
300 7,763 +138%
Taurus 6,664 +6.4%
Maxima 3,444 +1.4
Avalon 2,881 +20.9%
Azera 953
Camaro 9,627 -11.3%
Mustang 7,801 -4.6%
Challenger 4,102 +13%
Genesis 3,548
370z 785 -16.7%
Prius 25,168 +101.7%
CT 1,620 +108.3%
Volt 1,462 +196.6%
Insight 738 -68.6%
LEAF 370 -35.4%
CR-Z 334 -79.3%
HS 28 -88.7%
Veloster 3,192
Juke 2,887 -12%
Soul 10,716
xB 1,617 -.6%
Cube 573 -66.9%
Outback 8,548 -9.69%
Venza 3,501 +5.8%
CrossTour 1,769 -6.6%
CR-V 23,627 +22.6%
Equinox 18,282 +7.1%
Escape 16,986 -20%
Rav4 15,196 +9.7%
Rogue 8,563 +1.6%
Forester 5,666 -15.61%
CX-5 3,521
Tucson 3,909
Sportage 3,277
Tiguan 2,333 -16.4%
CX-7 1,388 -51.7%
Grand Vitara 304 -21%
Explorer 13,419 +6.6%
Edge 10,520 +12.4%
Sorento 9,610
Highlander 9,352 +18.3%
Pilot 8,827 +4.7%
Traverse 7,752 -19.8%
Durango 3,257 -36%
Murano 3,009 -9.6%
CX-9 1,523 -44.6%
Toureg 718 +12.2%
Tribeca 154 -36.1%
Caravan 11,183 +27%
Town & Country 10,773 +22%
Odyssey 10,476 +18.4%
Sienna 8,451 -7.2%
Santa Fe 6,318
Flex 2,724 +41.4%
Quest 1,958 +96%
Sedona 1,867
Routan 908 -2.9%
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Some interesting things:
The Hyundai Elantra was down 23.8% from April 2011 and is down 3.3% for the year. Even with the fewer selling days the DSR still points to a decline in sales with the April 2012 DSR being over 100 units less than the April 2011 DSR. I know production has been tight on them but I wonder if sales will pick back up or not.
The Cruze was down 27.6% from April 2011. DSR down over 100 units from 2011. And definitely not a production related thing.
Honda's market share was at 10.3% for April and is at 9.5% YTD. It was 10.3% YTD in 2011 (as we know it fell off the table after that.) The market share picture is rather interesting right now. GM has gone from 19.6% to 17.7% YTD. Ford has gone from 16.2% to 15.4% YTD. Chrysler has gone from 9.6% to 11.6% YTD. Toyota has gone from 14.1% to 14.3% YTD. Nissan is flat. Hyundai has gone from 4.8% to 4.9%. Kia has gone from 3.6% to 4.0%. I guess it's interesting to me that people talk about how important the new Accord is to Honda but they don't talk about how important the Malibu and Fusion are to Ford and GM. With the implication being that Honda needs the Accord to be amazing or they are in trouble....I guess I just see Ford and GM losing just as much (or more) market share and I think they need the Malibu and Fusion to be just as good.
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I am still amazed that other than the Insight, no one has really tried to take on the Prius. The Volt & LEAF kinda side step it but that is it.
Ford has been having a lot of success with their new models & their hybrid system seems competitive (based up on the Fusion & MKZ) so I am curious as to why they have not made a dedicated hybrid yet.
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longhorn wrote:
civicw wrote:
Anyone have a good idea why the Kia Soul has been doing WAY better than the Nissan Cube or Scion xB? Clearly it isn't price.
Perhaps there is a market for a Honda Box smaller than the Element.
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Kia's marketing has been spot on.........And Toyota has recently stated the XB may not be replaced.
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Sales of the Soul have been consistently high even before the recent news of the xB's eventual demise. I'm sure buyers of the Soul cross shop the Cube and the xB. There must be something compelling about the Soul besides better marketing from Kia that is behind those big numbers.
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Other numbers
Verano 2989
Acadia 6087
Grand Cherokee 11834
GL-Class 2768
Infiniti QX 915
Lexus 517
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Is Toyota not breaking down sales of the Prius by model?
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civicw wrote:
longhorn wrote:
civicw wrote:
Anyone have a good idea why the Kia Soul has been doing WAY better than the Nissan Cube or Scion xB? Clearly it isn't price.
Perhaps there is a market for a Honda Box smaller than the Element.
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Kia's marketing has been spot on.........And Toyota has recently stated the XB may not be replaced.
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Sales of the Soul have been consistently high even before the recent news of the xB's eventual demise. I'm sure buyers of the Soul cross shop the Cube and the xB. There must be something compelling about the Soul besides better marketing from Kia that is behind those big numbers.
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I think the reason is simple:
Cube's rear is not symmetric. And its 2 side profiles don't match. I have idea why they came-up with that design. It might be the only car in US that has asymmetric design.
How many people do you think will accept those rear looks? Yeah, its different but polarizing too.
On the other hand, Kia soul atleast looks decent from all angles.
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Honda lost a great opportunity by killing the Element.
The Kia Soul obviously proves the market for such vehicle, albeit a bit smaller, does exist.
All Honda has to do was reintroduce a new downsized Element using the R18 and Civic components. Sell it for a Civic price and voila you're back in the game and would get 3000+ cars/month sales.
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How the heck is the Corolla topping the sales with "only" a 4AT and 34mpg vehicle !?!?
Seriously, how is this possible?
It defies my logic on why anyone would get a Corolla over the Civic, Focus or Elantra.
Or perhaps there does exist a niche market of folks looking for a low profile (read bland looking) super comfy (soft suspension) compact cruiser as a day to day beater car?
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ipribadi wrote:
How the heck is the Corolla topping the sales with "only" a 4AT and 34mpg vehicle !?!?
Seriously, how is this possible?
It defies my logic on why anyone would get a Corolla over the Civic, Focus or Elantra.
Or perhaps there does exist a niche market of folks looking for a low profile (read bland looking) super comfy (soft suspension) compact cruiser as a day to day beater car?
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It's a complete mystery. I can't imagine why a nameplate that has sold over 40 million units continues to be popular. Why do people buy Crest? Or Tide? Or Bon Jovi albums?
And I love how you categorize buyers of the Corolla as "niche" buyers. Toyota has sold 93,232 Corolla's this year. But yeah it's a niche market.
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dominik331 wrote:
TSX- Sure Acura go ahead kill it and replace it with the mighty ILX, it's your best selling sedan, so you might as well. (Where is my red font)
Accord- Look at those impressive numbers from our old buddy, Sonata what?
Q5, X3 and GLK, the RDX is coming for ya!
Not bad for JX first month, MDX hurry up with that new model.
A6 and M, will they ever do any better?
Isn't the Mazda CX-5 supposed to be the CR-V killer?
The Pilot isn't the prettiest, but it holds up pretty good against the competition.
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RDX will sell well, but not enough to entice those who want a German SUV. Il will take away sales from Lexus.
Sure crv sells a lot, so does corolla. Mazda is a small player. Local deal has only 1 Cx-5; Mazda needs a NA plant.
Infiniti M design sucks. E and 5 will continue to dominate, but GS and A6 are decent enough to get their smaller share. Life won't be easy for the new RL.
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MasterOfDaDomain wrote:
dominik331 wrote:
TSX- Sure Acura go ahead kill it and replace it with the mighty ILX, it's your best selling sedan, so you might as well. (Where is my red font)
Accord- Look at those impressive numbers from our old buddy, Sonata what?
Q5, X3 and GLK, the RDX is coming for ya!
Not bad for JX first month, MDX hurry up with that new model.
A6 and M, will they ever do any better?
Isn't the Mazda CX-5 supposed to be the CR-V killer?
The Pilot isn't the prettiest, but it holds up pretty good against the competition.
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RDX will sell well, but not enough to entice those who want a German SUV. Il will take away sales from Lexus.
Sure crv sells a lot, so does corolla. Mazda is a small player. Local deal has only 1 Cx-5; Mazda needs a NA plant.
Infiniti M design sucks. E and 5 will continue to dominate, but GS and A6 are decent enough to get their smaller share. Life won't be easy for the new RL.
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For your first sentence I got 3 letters for you: MDX. Why cant the RDX do the same? We shall see.
Cr-v sells so the corolla? Well at least the Cr-v is competitive in its segment, the corolla? See previous posts about its mystery.
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Great breakout as usual TSX69.
Surprised to see the midsize results. The Accord really is a great car overall, and I am wondering why it had dipped so badly recently, and now is springing back up. I have been seeing all kinds of MMC Accords around lately. They actually look pretty good with the more femine grill and restyled wheels. That said, I am surprised to see the Optima results. It seems like I have been seeing tons of them around too (certainly more than number of new Sonatas), so I was shocked to see it that low.
I guess it still shows that Honda can more or less execute the core product, but they better be careful, because they have also been having to put money on the hood, and long term that is NOT good.
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Ooops, had the Santa Fe in the mini-van section.
Incentive Levels
Average True Cost of Incentives® (TCISM) by Car Manufacturer
Manufacturer 12-Apr 12-Mar 11-Apr Apr 2012 vs Mar 2012 Apr 2012 vs Apr 2011
Chrysler $2,495 $2,486 $2,401 0.4% 3.9%
Ford $2,360 $2,701 $2,341 -12.6% 0.8%
GM $3,446 $3,258 $3,015 5.8% 14.3%
Honda $992 $991 $1,679 0.1% -40.9%
Nissan $2,136 $2,455 $1,836 -13.0% 16.3%
Toyota $1,388 $1,371 $1,730 1.2% -19.8%
Industry $2,071 $2,118 $2,109 -2.2% -1.8%
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I think there are two reasons the Accord numbers dipped during the last year and have rebounded.
1.) The car shoppers out there who would get caught by the Sonata styling and warranty all went out and bought themselves Sonatas. Now sales of that car will average out to more realistic numbers.
2.) I think the shopper mindset sees a big difference between a 60-month note at 3.9% and 0.9%. I don't remember a better time to buy a new Accord than now.
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ipribadi
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iutodd,
I purposely injected some sarcasm in my post as everyone here seems to bash Honda for keeping its 5AT.
Corolla sales prove that there's still a good number of buyers who don't care/know about specs.
I'm not one of them tho.
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dominik331
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owequitit wrote:
Great breakout as usual TSX69.
Surprised to see the midsize results. The Accord really is a great car overall, and I am wondering why it had dipped so badly recently, and now is springing back up. I have been seeing all kinds of MMC Accords around lately. They actually look pretty good with the more femine grill and restyled wheels. That said, I am surprised to see the Optima results. It seems like I have been seeing tons of them around too (certainly more than number of new Sonatas), so I was shocked to see it that low.
I guess it still shows that Honda can more or less execute the core product, but they better be careful, because they have also been having to put money on the hood, and long term that is NOT good.
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I've been receiving very attractive offers from my local Honda for the Accord and Civic. Things like $88 a month lease. That would get people in the showroom for sure.
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ipribadi wrote:
iutodd,
I purposely injected some sarcasm in my post as everyone here seems to bash Honda for keeping its 5AT.
Corolla sales prove that there's still a good number of buyers who don't care/know about specs.
I'm not one of them tho.
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Because for the most parts, most consumers should not care about specs, but about how their needs are met.
If a non-techie has a need for a smartphone for the normal stuff like e-mail, web, pics, etc., then it doesn't matter to them if the phone has a dual-core or quad-core or fairy-dust, what matters is how well the phone operates and will operate over its usable life.
I for one hate when people only look at specs, by those standards Type R's should be garbage and Point 'n Shoot cameras should outperform DSLR's. Specs to me are just for d**k waving.
But back to your point, i completely agree that the bashing of the 5AT has been overdone, especially since the 2012 civic with that "old tech" has been getting better Real World Average MPG than its competitors, while reducing complexity and potentially even weight compared to 6AT
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MasterOfDaDomain
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dominik331 wrote:
MasterOfDaDomain wrote:
dominik331 wrote:
TSX- Sure Acura go ahead kill it and replace it with the mighty ILX, it's your best selling sedan, so you might as well. (Where is my red font)
Accord- Look at those impressive numbers from our old buddy, Sonata what?
Q5, X3 and GLK, the RDX is coming for ya!
Not bad for JX first month, MDX hurry up with that new model.
A6 and M, will they ever do any better?
Isn't the Mazda CX-5 supposed to be the CR-V killer?
The Pilot isn't the prettiest, but it holds up pretty good against the competition.
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RDX will sell well, but not enough to entice those who want a German SUV. Il will take away sales from Lexus.
Sure crv sells a lot, so does corolla. Mazda is a small player. Local deal has only 1 Cx-5; Mazda needs a NA plant.
Infiniti M design sucks. E and 5 will continue to dominate, but GS and A6 are decent enough to get their smaller share. Life won't be easy for the new RL.
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For your first sentence I got 3 letters for you: MDX. Why cant the RDX do the same? We shall see.
Cr-v sells so the corolla? Well at least the Cr-v is competitive in its segment, the corolla? See previous posts about its mystery.
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Maybe, RDX is now a solid packge, although lacking the technologies such as SH-AWD on MDX. MDX stands well against X5 and the like in numerous comparison tests. We'll see how RDX does. My guess is it'll gain more sales, and will also do so at the expense of MDX.
The Corolla design has actually aged well. Next to Civic it looks quite refined. Its reputation is also stellar. And you can actually get a 5MT on its top trim.
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Incentives are heating up on the Accords....at the end of the 7th gen model, the dealers were getting $2K in factory cash to move an Accord. Right now I see $1250 as the current Accord incentive. Still good, but not quite as good as it was and it will probably get a little better as Honda tries to clear out the 12's for the all new '13.
Grace141 wrote:
I think there are two reasons the Accord numbers dipped during the last year and have rebounded.
1.) The car shoppers out there who would get caught by the Sonata styling and warranty all went out and bought themselves Sonatas. Now sales of that car will average out to more realistic numbers.
2.) I think the shopper mindset sees a big difference between a 60-month note at 3.9% and 0.9%. I don't remember a better time to buy a new Accord than now.
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