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I already do this on the highway, always just letting go of gas when possible to slow down naturally without touching the breaks. The problem is the car behind insists on staying close and gas/breaking, or some car in the other lane sees the gap as some sort of winning lottery ticket and cuts right in, thereby forcing me to brake.
Honda should stop wasting time on driving aids. Give the drivers some credit we've been driving for hundreds of years, we're not 5 year-olds needing computerized help at every step teaching us when to stop and go.
What's happening to man maximum machine minimum???
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montechester
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So, you've seen how other people drive. You really think THEY can be trusted to do what's best to keep traffic moving most efficiently? How's that been working out for you in rush hour traffic where you live?
Even in medium sized towns in Ohio, rush hour traffic is frustrating, annoying, and just plain no fun to drive in. If technology can get the rush hour traffic off the roads 20+ percent faster each night, that means the roads will be clear when I take my bike or S2000 out for a drive after I get home.
More free time and more open roadway for me to drive on the way I want, when I want... Sound like a win-win to me.
So, traffic and vehicle safety isn't a concern for you? Must be nice to be invulnerable. I'm not, so any company with Honda's track record for safety leadership that wants to investigate REAL ways to keep idiot drivers from injuring or killing me or people I care about, is just fine with me.
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huh?? What are you talking about....?
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montechester
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I'm talking about the application of this technology and traffic control methodology to my real world situation. You know, REAL stuff. Let me know if there is any way I can spell it out for you further. I'll type slower, if that will help. ;)
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Ganplosive
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montechester wrote:
So, you've seen how other people drive. You really think THEY can be trusted to do what's best to keep traffic moving most efficiently? How's that been working out for you in rush hour traffic where you live?
Even in medium sized towns in Ohio, rush hour traffic is frustrating, annoying, and just plain no fun to drive in. If technology can get the rush hour traffic off the roads 20+ percent faster each night, that means the roads will be clear when I take my bike or S2000 out for a drive after I get home.
More free time and more open roadway for me to drive on the way I want, when I want... Sound like a win-win to me.
So, traffic and vehicle safety isn't a concern for you? Must be nice to be invulnerable. I'm not, so any company with Honda's track record for safety leadership that wants to investigate REAL ways to keep idiot drivers from injuring or killing me or people I care about, is just fine with me.
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I can't help but take it a little personal. Plus you sound fairly angry, is everything alright? Your dog didn't die did it? Yeah man I'm godda*n invulnerable bro, I can't be killed!!111 LOL wtf are you talking about?
This technology does nothing for traffic and vehicle safety.. I dunno what Honda engineers promised you off the record but as far as I know this technology merely provides you guidance on how to drive based off of how you're already driving. If someone is going to road rage and rear end you, I don't think Honda exactly built a system that prevents your car from getting smashed by his Altima. Keep living the dream BROOOO.
again, what the hell are you talking about?
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TonyEX
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montechester wrote:
I'm talking about the application of this technology and traffic control methodology to my real world situation. You know, REAL stuff. Let me know if there is any way I can spell it out for you further. I'll type slower, if that will help. ;)
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Hmm.. come on down to Southern California... during our rush hours.
We see out of staters like you all the time... keeping lots of space ahead of them.... a royal pain in the ass... just pylons on the Number 2 lane to get around.
I guess it takes some getting use to driving bumper to bumper at 70 mph....
This thing WON'T WORK... Come on down to where the Rush Hour is Best Kept to Professionals... and then tell us...
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Ganplosive
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+1000000 on Los Angeles. Unless you commute on the 405 or the 10, you don't know what TRAFFIC IS LOL.
Ever had to go from Santa Monica to Rowland heights in an hour? Can't do it.
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montechester
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TonyE, I've driven plenty of miles on Socal highways at all times of the day and night and every day of the week. In cars, in semis, and on bikes. My experience is complete and personal. I see plenty of opportunity for this technology to improve the absolutely poor driving I see demonstrated in and around LA. I kinda treat LA rush hour as a game. Keeps it interesting. Not saying ALL LA drivers suck, just 70-80%.
And BTW, LA folks think they got it SOOOOO bad. Try Toronto, Atlanta, Chicago in Winter, Detroit after spring thaw uncovers potholes big enough to swallow a Smart Car. LA has it so bad, because the road is populated by some of the most short attention span, call phone lov'in, movie watch'in while driving, poor excuses for drivers I've ever witnessed. Anybody that rides bikes in that town on a daily basis is certifiable.
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saitamahonda
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TonyE wrote:
montechester wrote:
I'm talking about the application of this technology and traffic control methodology to my real world situation. You know, REAL stuff. Let me know if there is any way I can spell it out for you further. I'll type slower, if that will help. ;)
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Hmm.. come on down to Southern California... during our rush hours.
We see out of staters like you all the time... keeping lots of space ahead of them.... a royal pain in the ass... just pylons on the Number 2 lane to get around.
I guess it takes some getting use to driving bumper to bumper at 70 mph....
This thing WON'T WORK... Come on down to where the Rush Hour is Best Kept to Professionals... and then tell us...
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Are you kidding me? Southern California needs this bad. Every S on the 405 is met with brake lights. And they are all friggin Prius's with drivers looking somewhere other than the road, thinking about something other than driving. Honda must have created this technology so that Toyota, as they usually do, copies and makes it their own, so that the damn Prius drivers won't use their beloved regenerative brakes. Prius drivers love to brake when they don't need to, they think they are doing the world a favor by slowing down when all they need to do is get off the road and sit in their lazy-boy all day and think about what it is they are thinking when they are driving.
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Ganplosive
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montechester wrote:
TonyE, I've driven plenty of miles on Socal highways at all times of the day and night and every day of the week. In cars, in semis, and on bikes. My experience is complete and personal. I see plenty of opportunity for this technology to improve the absolutely poor driving I see demonstrated in and around LA. I kinda treat LA rush hour as a game. Keeps it interesting. Not saying ALL LA drivers suck, just 70-80%.
And BTW, LA folks think they got it SOOOOO bad. Try Toronto, Atlanta, Chicago in Winter, Detroit after spring thaw uncovers potholes big enough to swallow a Smart Car. LA has it so bad, because the road is populated by some of the most short attention span, call phone lov'in, movie watch'in while driving, poor excuses for drivers I've ever witnessed. Anybody that rides bikes in that town on a daily basis is certifiable.
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Monte, now we're getting somewhere. You also acknowledge that some people on the road (most notably LA) have some of the most distracted drivers around. How do you think this system is going to work keeping these drivers focused on not gas-braking bumper to bumper. And EVEN if the driver heeded the advice of the system and maintained a lower cruising speed, what's going to prevent the guy in the next lane from weaving in and out of your lane?
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FiSH-Chan
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Ganplosive wrote:
Monte, now we're getting somewhere. You also acknowledge that some people on the road (most notably LA) have some of the most distracted drivers around. How do you think this system is going to work keeping these drivers focused on not gas-braking bumper to bumper. And EVEN if the driver heeded the advice of the system and maintained a lower cruising speed, what's going to prevent the guy in the next lane from weaving in and out of your lane?
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You know, I saw this many times on TV and reports, is that usually traffic jam is caused by someone slowing down in front suddenly and everyone behind slows in waves until it causes a jam, and when you are stuck in that jam and pass suddenly traffic is clear again and you wonder what was that about... well, if this system can prevent people following too closelly or not paying attention until the last minute and suddenly braking causing people behind to panic brake, and eventualyl causing a jam then the congestion wouldn't happen in the first place. Of course it won't 100% work in all situations, so I am interested in how they do it.
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mr. bill
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I do this "manually" (driving ahead) all the time in traffic jams. (I travel too much, and yes, it works, even in places like LA, even in rush hour.)
Pay attention during traffic jams. You'll see the folks froggering lanes trying to pick the mythical "fast" lane - and you'll find that the "lose" almost as often as they "win." When they "win" they've picked up a few spots. But when they "lose" they often drop dozens of spots.
Next, notice the big trucks (in LA, they'll be in the 2nd most right lane) - leaving gaps, accelerating and braking smoothly. And yes, a few people will fill the gap, tailgate the car in front of the truck, but most will also quickly *leave* the gap looking for the mythical "fast" lane.
For beginners, suggest leaving a gap yourself *behind* the truck, and learn. While you are learning, a red bmw almost certainly will catch your eye froggering their way through the traffic jam lanes. See how far ahead or behind they are after a few miles.
-mr. bill
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