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Impressive, about a thousand less than Camry and all retail. If one wants an Accord now is as good as its going to get. If one goes to a volume dealer you can pick one up $4K beneath retail. Or better yet, lease one.
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I just got a fully loaded V6 Coupe sticker was 30,700. I was going to purchase it with a down payment, but decided that I would lease after I was able to get the lease at 268 a month for 36 months. At a 54% residual I will just buy it out at the end of the 3 years and be ahead because the intrest on the lease is less then purchasing it. Great deals to be had right now... only regret is not knowing exactly what I will be missing with the 2013.
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A77
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According to True car Honda's average incentive was $2398 per car in April.
Chrysler $3,071
Ford $2,558
GM $3,156
Honda $2,398
Hyundai/Kia $1,223
Nissan $2,723
Toyota $1,823
Volkswagen $2,277
Industry $2,446
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98EX4cyl
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A77 wrote:
According to True car Honda's average incentive was $2398 per car in April.
Chrysler $3,071
Ford $2,558
GM $3,156
Honda $2,398
Hyundai/Kia $1,223
Nissan $2,723
Toyota $1,823
Volkswagen $2,277
Industry $2,446
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Wow, I've never seen Honda anywhere close to the Industry average!!!
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xBeastx
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Since you bought a loaded Accord, you'll probably be missing:
-6-speed automatic
-Blind Spot System
-Forward Collision Warning
-Lane Departure Warning
-Better fuel economy
-Most likely some implementation of the i-MID screen
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longhorn
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Cfox84 wrote:
I just got a fully loaded V6 Coupe sticker was 30,700. I was going to purchase it with a down payment, but decided that I would lease after I was able to get the lease at 268 a month for 36 months. At a 54% residual I will just buy it out at the end of the 3 years and be ahead because the intrest on the lease is less then purchasing it. Great deals to be had right now... only regret is not knowing exactly what I will be missing with the 2013.
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One of the nice things about leases,especially Honda ones, you can trade it in after 2 years,you should be even then. So if the new Accord is to your liking you can always trade in your lease and be roughly even if not a little ahead.
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jero
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A77 wrote:
According to True car Honda's average incentive was $2398 per car in April.
Chrysler $3,071
Ford $2,558
GM $3,156
Honda $2,398
Hyundai/Kia $1,223
Nissan $2,723
Toyota $1,823
Volkswagen $2,277
Industry $2,446
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Hyundai with the lowest incentives of all? HALF of the industry average?! Gasp... I thought those pieces of crap all went to rental companies and sold for a million dollars off. My oh my, how fast things change.
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TonyEX
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Since you bought a loaded Accord, you'll probably be missing:
-6-speed automatic
-Blind Spot System
-Forward Collision Warning
-Lane Departure Warning
-Better fuel economy
-Most likely some implementation of the i-MID screen
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Not really.
5AT is fine.
I can easily turn my head and I know how to set and use my right side mirror.
I know how to drive, so I don't tailgate.
I watch before I change lanes.
Honda doesn't play the EPA game. In my experience I get pretty good mileage in Hondacars.
I usually get the NAVI cars, so iMid is not so important.
Now, what was that you were saying again?
What you forgot is that right now is a Perfect Storm:
(a) This is the last model year.
(b) Honda is working at regaining market share.
So... that means... good deals.
Ask Jeff how he loved his 2004 Odyssey.. I think the lease that year was insane.
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99SI
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Tony I did the same thing and bought an 08 TL when they were on the way out. Not bad considering I bought at a 6k discount. It was actually less than I could buy a used one for.
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owequitit
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TonyE wrote:
xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Since you bought a loaded Accord, you'll probably be missing:
-6-speed automatic
-Blind Spot System
-Forward Collision Warning
-Lane Departure Warning
-Better fuel economy
-Most likely some implementation of the i-MID screen
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Not really.
5AT is fine.
I can easily turn my head and I know how to set and use my right side mirror.
I know how to drive, so I don't tailgate.
I watch before I change lanes.
Honda doesn't play the EPA game. In my experience I get pretty good mileage in Hondacars.
I usually get the NAVI cars, so iMid is not so important.
Now, what was that you were saying again?
What you forgot is that right now is a Perfect Storm:
(a) This is the last model year.
(b) Honda is working at regaining market share.
So... that means... good deals.
Ask Jeff how he loved his 2004 Odyssey.. I think the lease that year was insane.
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Tony, sorry, but the 5AT has too many gearing gaps as it is setup in the current Accord. It is a little worse than the 7th gen because they had to spread the gears out to accomodate VCM in the lower gears and MPG in the top gears. Also, compared to the 7th gens we owned the MPG SUCKS. In most cases we are averaging 30-40% lower in city driving AND highway driving. The car has NEVER averaged HWY MPG over any length of time. Usually, we average about 26MPG highway, which is also short of EPA. Compared to same route, same drivers, same speeds in our 7th gens, we are down 6-7MPG highway routinely and about the same amount in the city. Considering that the car is realistically no faster than a 3.0L 7th gen, and is less responsive, refined and flexible to boot, it is a real downer. Honda could have, and should have, done better.
If the '13 manages to solve all of the HUGE shortcomings of VCM, and makes actual J35 torque in the low-midrange, and kicks up the power up top, as well as providing a better gearing spread, it would not be far fetched to see the car not only stomp the crap out of the 8th gen in an contest of acceleration, but also soundly beat it in MPG.
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mobis21
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Edmunds(A reliable source) says something VERY different.
Average True Cost of Incentives® (TCISM) by Car Manufacturer
Manufacturer 12-Apr
$3,446 GM
$2,495 Chrysler
$2,360 Ford
$2,136 Nissan
$1,388 Toyota
$992 Honda
Industry $2,071
http://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-auto-incentives-hit-lowest-levels-since-2005-reports-edmundscom.html
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longhorn
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mobis21 wrote:
Edmunds(A reliable source) says something VERY different.
Average True Cost of Incentives® (TCISM) by Car Manufacturer
Manufacturer 12-Apr
$3,446 GM
$2,495 Chrysler
$2,360 Ford
$2,136 Nissan
$1,388 Toyota
$992 Honda
Industry $2,071
http://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-auto-incentives-hit-lowest-levels-since-2005-reports-edmundscom.html
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When one can get a $25K Accord Ex for $21K. Fact. I don't care if they call it a rebate or marketing incentative and given to the dealer, its good for the customer.
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ipribadi
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owequitit wrote:
Tony, sorry, but the 5AT has too many gearing gaps as it is setup in the current Accord. It is a little worse than the 7th gen because they had to spread the gears out to accomodate VCM in the lower gears and MPG in the top gears. Also, compared to the 7th gens we owned the MPG SUCKS. In most cases we are averaging 30-40% lower in city driving AND highway driving. The car has NEVER averaged HWY MPG over any length of time. Usually, we average about 26MPG highway, which is also short of EPA. Compared to same route, same drivers, same speeds in our 7th gens, we are down 6-7MPG highway routinely and about the same amount in the city. Considering that the car is realistically no faster than a 3.0L 7th gen, and is less responsive, refined and flexible to boot, it is a real downer. |
But IMO VCM should somewhat negate the need for a 6AT and shouldn't be worse than a 5AT on a non VCM engine. I thought this was Honda's temporary solution for lacking a 6AT.
Think about it, the 5AT gearing on a VCM engine can be spaced like a 6AT from 1-5, then for highway cruising instead of going into 6th, VCM would kick in.
Any way 8G Accord is a heavier, larger and faster car than the 7G Accord so the drop in mpg isn't totally unreasonable.
The 9G Accord with EDT is very promising, but against a 37mpg Fusion, 38mpg Altima, it's got its work cut out.
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owequitit wrote:
Also, compared to the 7th gens we owned the MPG SUCKS. In most cases we are averaging 30-40% lower in city driving AND highway driving. The car has NEVER averaged HWY MPG over any length of time. Usually, we average about 26MPG highway, which is also short of EPA. Compared to same route, same drivers, same speeds in our 7th gens, we are down 6-7MPG highway routinely and about the same amount in the city. Considering that the car is realistically no faster than a 3.0L 7th gen, and is less responsive, refined and flexible to boot, it is a real downer. Honda could have, and should have, done better.
If the '13 manages to solve all of the HUGE shortcomings of VCM, and makes actual J35 torque in the low-midrange, and kicks up the power up top, as well as providing a better gearing spread, it would not be far fetched to see the car not only stomp the crap out of the 8th gen in an contest of acceleration, but also soundly beat it in MPG.
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Let me start out by saying that, as the former owner of a 2008 Accord V6 5AT and the current owner of the 2011 version of the same model, I'm excited about the potential of the 6AT.
However, my experience with MPG has been radically different from yours. I went to the 2008 from a 2003 Accord V6 5AT. At worst, the mileage of my gen 8s has kept pace with the gen 7. A recent 1200 mile round trip on the interstate yielded overall mileage of 30 with the 2011... exactly the same as the overall mileage on the same trip taken years earlier with the 2003. Same time of year, comparable weather conditions. The 2008 was ever so slightly below the 2003 in overall mileage... right around 1 mpg. The 2011 is beating the 2008 by around 1 mpg overall, which brings it back to par with the 2003. This is with comparable day to day driving across all 3 cars.
Now I understand that with an extra gear to play with and whatever other tweaks Honda makes with the 2013 Accord V6 (engine enhancements, lighter weight, etc.), there's definitely a likelihood of some gains in MPG. But the 5AT still performs pretty well. And I haven't been chomping at the bit for a 6AT since performance and MPG, at least for me, has been comparable between gen 7 and 8.
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TXsalesguy
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ipribadi wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Tony, sorry, but the 5AT has too many gearing gaps as it is setup in the current Accord. It is a little worse than the 7th gen because they had to spread the gears out to accomodate VCM in the lower gears and MPG in the top gears. Also, compared to the 7th gens we owned the MPG SUCKS. In most cases we are averaging 30-40% lower in city driving AND highway driving. The car has NEVER averaged HWY MPG over any length of time. Usually, we average about 26MPG highway, which is also short of EPA. Compared to same route, same drivers, same speeds in our 7th gens, we are down 6-7MPG highway routinely and about the same amount in the city. Considering that the car is realistically no faster than a 3.0L 7th gen, and is less responsive, refined and flexible to boot, it is a real downer. |
But IMO VCM should somewhat negate the need for a 6AT and shouldn't be worse than a 5AT on a non VCM engine. I thought this was Honda's temporary solution for lacking a 6AT.
Think about it, the 5AT gearing on a VCM engine can be spaced like a 6AT from 1-5, then for highway cruising instead of going into 6th, VCM would kick in.
Any way 8G Accord is a heavier, larger and faster car than the 7G Accord so the drop in mpg isn't totally unreasonable.
The 9G Accord with EDT is very promising, but against a 37mpg Fusion, 38mpg Altima, it's got its work cut out.
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You are comparing the mileage of a V6 Accord against a 4 cyl Fusion and Altima? Two different beasts. Remember VCM is only on the V6.
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typer_801
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The 8th gen is definitely NOT faster despite the upped displacement and hp numbers.
ipribadi wrote:
Any way 8G Accord is a heavier, larger and faster car than the 7G Accord so the drop in mpg isn't totally unreasonable.
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hondamotorwerks
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hmmm... why am I not surprised to see a 41% increase.
oh, thats right... internal contest with a goal, and a reward.
the old carrot on a stick rutine actually works/worked.
:)
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DrWhiner
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owequitit wrote:
TonyE wrote:
xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Since you bought a loaded Accord, you'll probably be missing:
-6-speed automatic
-Blind Spot System
-Forward Collision Warning
-Lane Departure Warning
-Better fuel economy
-Most likely some implementation of the i-MID screen
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Not really.
5AT is fine.
I can easily turn my head and I know how to set and use my right side mirror.
I know how to drive, so I don't tailgate.
I watch before I change lanes.
Honda doesn't play the EPA game. In my experience I get pretty good mileage in Hondacars.
I usually get the NAVI cars, so iMid is not so important.
Now, what was that you were saying again?
What you forgot is that right now is a Perfect Storm:
(a) This is the last model year.
(b) Honda is working at regaining market share.
So... that means... good deals.
Ask Jeff how he loved his 2004 Odyssey.. I think the lease that year was insane.
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Tony, sorry, but the 5AT has too many gearing gaps as it is setup in the current Accord. It is a little worse than the 7th gen because they had to spread the gears out to accomodate VCM in the lower gears and MPG in the top gears. Also, compared to the 7th gens we owned the MPG SUCKS. In most cases we are averaging 30-40% lower in city driving AND highway driving. The car has NEVER averaged HWY MPG over any length of time. Usually, we average about 26MPG highway, which is also short of EPA. Compared to same route, same drivers, same speeds in our 7th gens, we are down 6-7MPG highway routinely and about the same amount in the city. Considering that the car is realistically no faster than a 3.0L 7th gen, and is less responsive, refined and flexible to boot, it is a real downer. Honda could have, and should have, done better.
If the '13 manages to solve all of the HUGE shortcomings of VCM, and makes actual J35 torque in the low-midrange, and kicks up the power up top, as well as providing a better gearing spread, it would not be far fetched to see the car not only stomp the crap out of the 8th gen in an contest of acceleration, but also soundly beat it in MPG.
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Does any of you know the car bought is A/T???
Conjecture?
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benbess
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Wow. The Accord has come back big time. And my guess is that Honda will be blowing them out the door from now until the 2013 model comes out. Can it catch the Camry. I doubt it. But maybe it can climb back to number 2 for the model year....
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xBeastx
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DrWhiner wrote:
owequitit wrote:
TonyE wrote:
xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Since you bought a loaded Accord, you'll probably be missing:
-6-speed automatic
-Blind Spot System
-Forward Collision Warning
-Lane Departure Warning
-Better fuel economy
-Most likely some implementation of the i-MID screen
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Not really.
5AT is fine.
I can easily turn my head and I know how to set and use my right side mirror.
I know how to drive, so I don't tailgate.
I watch before I change lanes.
Honda doesn't play the EPA game. In my experience I get pretty good mileage in Hondacars.
I usually get the NAVI cars, so iMid is not so important.
Now, what was that you were saying again?
What you forgot is that right now is a Perfect Storm:
(a) This is the last model year.
(b) Honda is working at regaining market share.
So... that means... good deals.
Ask Jeff how he loved his 2004 Odyssey.. I think the lease that year was insane.
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Tony, sorry, but the 5AT has too many gearing gaps as it is setup in the current Accord. It is a little worse than the 7th gen because they had to spread the gears out to accomodate VCM in the lower gears and MPG in the top gears. Also, compared to the 7th gens we owned the MPG SUCKS. In most cases we are averaging 30-40% lower in city driving AND highway driving. The car has NEVER averaged HWY MPG over any length of time. Usually, we average about 26MPG highway, which is also short of EPA. Compared to same route, same drivers, same speeds in our 7th gens, we are down 6-7MPG highway routinely and about the same amount in the city. Considering that the car is realistically no faster than a 3.0L 7th gen, and is less responsive, refined and flexible to boot, it is a real downer. Honda could have, and should have, done better.
If the '13 manages to solve all of the HUGE shortcomings of VCM, and makes actual J35 torque in the low-midrange, and kicks up the power up top, as well as providing a better gearing spread, it would not be far fetched to see the car not only stomp the crap out of the 8th gen in an contest of acceleration, but also soundly beat it in MPG.
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Does any of you know the car bought is A/T???
Conjecture?
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Oh yeah, I completely forgot the Accord Coupe V6 also comes with a 6-speed manual. But still, I was just referencing the 6AT over the 5AT just in case.
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TXsalesguy
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longhorn wrote:
mobis21 wrote:
Edmunds(A reliable source) says something VERY different.
Average True Cost of Incentives® (TCISM) by Car Manufacturer
Manufacturer 12-Apr
$3,446 GM
$2,495 Chrysler
$2,360 Ford
$2,136 Nissan
$1,388 Toyota
$992 Honda
Industry $2,071
http://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-auto-incentives-hit-lowest-levels-since-2005-reports-edmundscom.html
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When one can get a $25K Accord Ex for $21K. Fact. I don't care if they call it a rebate or marketing incentative and given to the dealer, its good for the customer.
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That doesn't mean there is a $4k incentive from Honda. The amount a dealer discounts off of MSRP is completely different from what a manufacturer gives in incentives.
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