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What the f*ck? Did they seriously just sell a "new" 2009 off the lot?
I am very impressed by the RDX and CR-V. I knew they would be strong sellers. Also, despite being at the end of its lifecycle, the current Accord is selling like crazy!
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DCR
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The Accord is heavily discounted at the moment, which would explain it.
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Ultima
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New S2k sale? Why not, it's the only exciting car in Honda/Acura's entire lineup ;)
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jero
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Makes you wonder if they brought a heritage S2000 back with a limited run... could they sell it for $34,995?
The BRZ convertible within a year will likely be low $30k's and you get 200hp/150tq, 2760#
You think people would still buy the Honda (circa 2004 as a 2014) with 237hp/162tq, 2864#... for a few grand more?
I can't wait to see the BRZ and ol' S2k battle on the track. The FRS/BRZ is clearly one of the most exciting cars to come in a long time. The media attention is going to pay off big time for brand creed.
It kills me Honda still doesn't value/get it despite having the bull by the horns in the late 90s, early 2000s.
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Mechanic
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
What the f*ck? Did they seriously just sell a "new" 2009 off the lot? . . . . |
Last time I went hunting for a new S2k (last year), an Ohio Honda dealer still had a new one on the showroom floor. The store's owner refused to discount it, so if that's the one that sold, I'm betting it sold for its list price to someone who, like me, wanted a new one and, perhaps, the last new one available in the U.S.
Moreover, as long as we are on the subject, IMHO the S2k is the car Honda should replace rather than -- dare I say it? -- wasting essential engineering talent on the NSX, which will (again, IMHO) be wholly uncompetitive two years hence (best production date estimate) in the $100k+ marketplace.
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Mechanic wrote:
IMHO the S2k is the car Honda should replace rather than -- dare I say it? -- wasting essential engineering talent on the NSX
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I sure would love for Honda to put the EV-STER into production using a baby version of the NSX's drivetrain.
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Mechanic wrote:
xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
What the f*ck? Did they seriously just sell a "new" 2009 off the lot? . . . . |
Last time I went hunting for a new S2k (last year), an Ohio Honda dealer still had a new one on the showroom floor. The store's owner refused to discount it, so if that's the one that sold, I'm betting it sold for its list price to someone who, like me, wanted a new one and, perhaps, the last new one available in the U.S.
Moreover, as long as we are on the subject, IMHO the S2k is the car Honda should replace rather than -- dare I say it? -- wasting essential engineering talent on the NSX, which will (again, IMHO) be wholly uncompetitive two years hence (best production date estimate) in the $100k+ marketplace.
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I absolutely understand wanting a brand new car, but for the S2000... you can get them for 12 grand now. And it's a bullet-proof little car. So I wouldn't expect needing to do even 3000 dollars in maintenance on an AP1 S2000, let alone a new AP2.
Paying 30 grand for a new S2000 is just outrageous. And unless Honda plans on making a successor to the S2000 at least twice as good as the old one, then Honda's biggest competitor to an S2000 revival would be... used S2000s, lol.
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DrWhiner
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DCR wrote:
The Accord is heavily discounted at the moment, which would explain it.
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So does Altima, which would explain its sales (partly*).
* plus insane fleet sales
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Where are you guys seeing one S2000 sold? I see 0 on the chart.
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xBeastx
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dominik331 wrote:
Where are you guys seeing one S2000 sold? I see 0 on the chart.
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On the right (Year to Date of April 2011). I know it's last year, but still, Honda discontinued the S2000 a couple years before that.
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Chris_6MT
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NickDC5 wrote:
Mechanic wrote:
xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
What the f*ck? Did they seriously just sell a "new" 2009 off the lot? . . . . |
Last time I went hunting for a new S2k (last year), an Ohio Honda dealer still had a new one on the showroom floor. The store's owner refused to discount it, so if that's the one that sold, I'm betting it sold for its list price to someone who, like me, wanted a new one and, perhaps, the last new one available in the U.S.
Moreover, as long as we are on the subject, IMHO the S2k is the car Honda should replace rather than -- dare I say it? -- wasting essential engineering talent on the NSX, which will (again, IMHO) be wholly uncompetitive two years hence (best production date estimate) in the $100k+ marketplace.
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I absolutely understand wanting a brand new car, but for the S2000... you can get them for 12 grand now. And it's a bullet-proof little car. So I wouldn't expect needing to do even 3000 dollars in maintenance on an AP1 S2000, let alone a new AP2.
Paying 30 grand for a new S2000 is just outrageous. And unless Honda plans on making a successor to the S2000 at least twice as good as the old one, then Honda's biggest competitor to an S2000 revival would be... used S2000s, lol.
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Exactly.
The S2000 is so unique that, in reality, its worst enemy in the later years was itself. The 350Z, Miata, etc were all totally different in feel and aim at that price point. Only the RX-8 was close to the recipe, but it's also a different animal with some huge positives (4 doors, comfort, practicality) and some huge negatives (mpg, reliability). As the AP1 and early AP2 models became less than half the price of a brand new model, it becomes very difficult to justify buying a new one that is only slightly more or even slightly less attractive depending on your opinion. They seem to be holding their values quite well...used to see them for under $10k around here regularly doing the recession, but now even a high mileage AP1 is priced at 12-16k at dealerships.
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Yeah, I actually laughed when I saw S2000.
Mechanic wrote:
xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
What the f*ck? Did they seriously just sell a "new" 2009 off the lot? . . . . |
Last time I went hunting for a new S2k (last year), an Ohio Honda dealer still had a new one on the showroom floor. The store's owner refused to discount it, so if that's the one that sold, I'm betting it sold for its list price to someone who, like me, wanted a new one and, perhaps, the last new one available in the U.S.
Moreover, as long as we are on the subject, IMHO the S2k is the car Honda should replace rather than -- dare I say it? -- wasting essential engineering talent on the NSX, which will (again, IMHO) be wholly uncompetitive two years hence (best production date estimate) in the $100k+ marketplace.
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But the S2K was only slightly more economically viable for the company than the NSX. The S2K, if anything, was meant to be a Miata competitor. But it was too expensive, so it didn't really get much sales.
I think Honda discontinue the Accord Sedan, and create a small, RWD plaything (à-la FRS) instead. It should be lighter than the S2K, and should have the same HP as the S2k (or less), but I wouldn't go so far as to call it an S2K successor.
The NSX was important for Honda, as it showed the world that Honda could get serious and build serious drivers cars, that could compete with exotics. First Japanese automaker to do so. Yes, Nissan had the Skyline, and Toyota had the Supra, MR2, and MRS, and while they were all quick, none of them were quite to par with Italian exotics.
The NSX wasn't uncompetitive when it was launched; it became uncompetitive due to a lack of improvements.
This NSX won't be uncompetitive (it might, if the Porsche 918 is released at the same time, and is around the same price, but I highly doubt it), although it could face the same problems as the original (lack of improvement post-launch will make it irrelevant).
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