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DCR
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2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 11:24
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The fish is reasonably priced.

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/04/2013-ford-focus-st-us-pricing-leaked.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Carscoop+%28CARSCOOP%29&m=1
NealX
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 11:41
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So cool! The configurator is up on Ford.com, too.
Glad to see their belief in the pocket-rocket enthusiast realm...
Come on Fiesta ST! Fiat Abarth! Mazdaspeed3! GTI! Veloster Turbo! Dart SRT! Woot!
DCR
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 12:27
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This one looks pretty interesting. I will check one out.
Trip
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 12:58
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This looks like a neat vehicle.

***6MT**** :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any more details about the drive train? LSD available?

I would be comfortable with a Ford product. FoMoCo is stamped all over my Mazda6 and it's been more reliable and satisfying to drive than my last Honda.
Torque
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 13:03
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I just spec'd one out. The one I would want in white, with black/black Recaro seats and power moonroof comes in around 28k. I like that this is a four dour hatch.
DCR
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 13:25
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Trip wrote:
This looks like a neat vehicle.

***6MT**** :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any more details about the drive train? LSD available?

I would be comfortable with a Ford product. FoMoCo is stamped all over my Mazda6 and it's been more reliable and satisfying to drive than my last Honda.



It uses Torque Vectoring Control, not LSD. It works well from what I hear.
JMU R1
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 15:53
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DCR wrote:
Trip wrote:
This looks like a neat vehicle.

***6MT**** :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any more details about the drive train? LSD available?

I would be comfortable with a Ford product. FoMoCo is stamped all over my Mazda6 and it's been more reliable and satisfying to drive than my last Honda.



It uses Torque Vectoring Control, not LSD. It works well from what I hear.


Does that mean it uses the brakes to control wheelspin to simulate the effect of a LSD? If so, that is a terrible solution. If you're blasting around a racetrack and you have this system riding the brakes to simulate a LSD, you're going to end up with overheated brakes in short order. Overheated brakes have a way of sending you sailing off the racetrack...
LudegarH22A7
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 16:16
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Intrigued to say the least...

Sadly, as time passes I grow less fond of the interior.
A77
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 17:27
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I'd like it more if there wasn't such a fish mouth. Maybe it needs a front licence plate.
Hondarulez
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 18:06
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JMU R1 wrote:
DCR wrote:
Trip wrote:
This looks like a neat vehicle.

***6MT**** :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any more details about the drive train? LSD available?

I would be comfortable with a Ford product. FoMoCo is stamped all over my Mazda6 and it's been more reliable and satisfying to drive than my last Honda.



It uses Torque Vectoring Control, not LSD. It works well from what I hear.


Does that mean it uses the brakes to control wheelspin to simulate the effect of a LSD? If so, that is a terrible solution. If you're blasting around a racetrack and you have this system riding the brakes to simulate a LSD, you're going to end up with overheated brakes in short order. Overheated brakes have a way of sending you sailing off the racetrack...



As far as I know mechanical LSD is still better than simulated torque vectoring.

Real torque vectoring systems from Acura, Audi, and BMW > mechanical LSD > brake actuated torque vectoring.

Using brakes to implement torque vectoring is sort of like having a more fancy vehicle stability system.
sadlerau
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 18:53
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Hondarulez wrote:

Using brakes to implement torque vectoring is sort of like having a more fancy vehicle stability system.



That is exactly what it is, and it does work very well on the street. Don't know just how bad it would be on a race track though. There has been some track testing of the car over here and the system wasn't mention specifically, so maybe it is fairly transparent??
Fan Koni
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 20:12
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LudegarH22A7 wrote:
Intrigued to say the least...

Sadly, as time passes I grow less fond of the interior.



totally agree - but still high on the list

atomiclightbulb
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 23:07
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Eh... it needs a limited-slip differential.

I don't know if there's something else to the braking system, but doesn't this waste engine power and put extra wear on the brakes too?

The MazdaSpeed3 has a limited-slip differential standard, and costs about the same as the Focus ST.
CarPhreakD
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-01-2012 23:37
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It needs an LSD. Brake-biased systems are not accurate, are not reactive, and worst of all bleeds the power off as brake dust.

I am HOPING that Ford would consider offering the LSD as an option.
Hondarulez
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Re: 2013 Focus ST - $23,700 MSRP + $795 destination    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-02-2012 12:57
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sadlerau wrote:
Hondarulez wrote:

Using brakes to implement torque vectoring is sort of like having a more fancy vehicle stability system.



That is exactly what it is, and it does work very well on the street. Don't know just how bad it would be on a race track though. There has been some track testing of the car over here and the system wasn't mention specifically, so maybe it is fairly transparent??



I have read somewhere that it's fairly transparent too. It will probably be fine for city driving, as with many stability systems out there. On a track, I really don't think it will work that well.....one thing for sure, the brakes must be really good at resisting brake fade.
 
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