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The fish is reasonably priced.
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/04/2013-ford-focus-st-us-pricing-leaked.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Carscoop+%28CARSCOOP%29&m=1
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So cool! The configurator is up on Ford.com, too.
Glad to see their belief in the pocket-rocket enthusiast realm...
Come on Fiesta ST! Fiat Abarth! Mazdaspeed3! GTI! Veloster Turbo! Dart SRT! Woot!
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DCR
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This one looks pretty interesting. I will check one out.
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Trip
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This looks like a neat vehicle.
***6MT**** :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any more details about the drive train? LSD available?
I would be comfortable with a Ford product. FoMoCo is stamped all over my Mazda6 and it's been more reliable and satisfying to drive than my last Honda.
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Torque
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I just spec'd one out. The one I would want in white, with black/black Recaro seats and power moonroof comes in around 28k. I like that this is a four dour hatch.
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DCR
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Trip wrote:
This looks like a neat vehicle.
***6MT**** :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any more details about the drive train? LSD available?
I would be comfortable with a Ford product. FoMoCo is stamped all over my Mazda6 and it's been more reliable and satisfying to drive than my last Honda.
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It uses Torque Vectoring Control, not LSD. It works well from what I hear.
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JMU R1
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DCR wrote:
Trip wrote:
This looks like a neat vehicle.
***6MT**** :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any more details about the drive train? LSD available?
I would be comfortable with a Ford product. FoMoCo is stamped all over my Mazda6 and it's been more reliable and satisfying to drive than my last Honda.
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It uses Torque Vectoring Control, not LSD. It works well from what I hear.
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Does that mean it uses the brakes to control wheelspin to simulate the effect of a LSD? If so, that is a terrible solution. If you're blasting around a racetrack and you have this system riding the brakes to simulate a LSD, you're going to end up with overheated brakes in short order. Overheated brakes have a way of sending you sailing off the racetrack...
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LudegarH22A7
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Intrigued to say the least...
Sadly, as time passes I grow less fond of the interior.
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A77
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I'd like it more if there wasn't such a fish mouth. Maybe it needs a front licence plate.
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Hondarulez
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JMU R1 wrote:
DCR wrote:
Trip wrote:
This looks like a neat vehicle.
***6MT**** :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any more details about the drive train? LSD available?
I would be comfortable with a Ford product. FoMoCo is stamped all over my Mazda6 and it's been more reliable and satisfying to drive than my last Honda.
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It uses Torque Vectoring Control, not LSD. It works well from what I hear.
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Does that mean it uses the brakes to control wheelspin to simulate the effect of a LSD? If so, that is a terrible solution. If you're blasting around a racetrack and you have this system riding the brakes to simulate a LSD, you're going to end up with overheated brakes in short order. Overheated brakes have a way of sending you sailing off the racetrack...
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As far as I know mechanical LSD is still better than simulated torque vectoring.
Real torque vectoring systems from Acura, Audi, and BMW > mechanical LSD > brake actuated torque vectoring.
Using brakes to implement torque vectoring is sort of like having a more fancy vehicle stability system.
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sadlerau
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Hondarulez wrote:
Using brakes to implement torque vectoring is sort of like having a more fancy vehicle stability system.
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That is exactly what it is, and it does work very well on the street. Don't know just how bad it would be on a race track though. There has been some track testing of the car over here and the system wasn't mention specifically, so maybe it is fairly transparent??
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Fan Koni
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LudegarH22A7 wrote:
Intrigued to say the least...
Sadly, as time passes I grow less fond of the interior.
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totally agree - but still high on the list
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atomiclightbulb
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Eh... it needs a limited-slip differential.
I don't know if there's something else to the braking system, but doesn't this waste engine power and put extra wear on the brakes too?
The MazdaSpeed3 has a limited-slip differential standard, and costs about the same as the Focus ST.
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CarPhreakD
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It needs an LSD. Brake-biased systems are not accurate, are not reactive, and worst of all bleeds the power off as brake dust.
I am HOPING that Ford would consider offering the LSD as an option.
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Hondarulez
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sadlerau wrote:
Hondarulez wrote:
Using brakes to implement torque vectoring is sort of like having a more fancy vehicle stability system.
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That is exactly what it is, and it does work very well on the street. Don't know just how bad it would be on a race track though. There has been some track testing of the car over here and the system wasn't mention specifically, so maybe it is fairly transparent??
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I have read somewhere that it's fairly transparent too. It will probably be fine for city driving, as with many stability systems out there. On a track, I really don't think it will work that well.....one thing for sure, the brakes must be really good at resisting brake fade.
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