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ipribadi
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So for $810 more you get the 2.4l engine and a larger car.
I know some folks desire a smaller car and the 2 mpg combined better fuel eco, but for sure I would never go for the ILX when $810 gets me a TSX.
Perhaps there's more of a personality difference between the two cars to allow each to cater to different markets, so we'll see.
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Powered by Honda
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Yeah i would grab tsx at that price...maybe this is Honda's way of selling more TSX and Civic's.
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Hondarulez
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Assuming that the TSX will not be chopped (according to Mendel), I have a feeling the next gen TSX will go higher up in price. It's near the end of its model cycle after all.
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hondacura
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There isn't any future TSX. Honda already announce there will only be 3 sedans and 2 SUV's. Stop spreading lies.
RLX, TLX, ILX... MDX, RDX
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ipribadi
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There is a future TSX. Acura already announce there will be 4 sedans and 2 SUV's. Stop spreading lies.
RLX, TLX, TSX, ILX... MDX, RDX
The new lineup will feature four sedans, the TSX, TL, RL and ILX. There is some overlap, but Conrad said Acura has no plans to eliminate any of the four.
"We're remaking the entire lineup over the next few years," Conrad said. "Nothing goes away, and we're sticking with that. We've had a pretty strong reliance on sport-utilities and we want to bolster our sedans." |
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integrator
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stop spreading lies, all of you...there will be 3 SUV's!!!... (just kidding). The ZDX is in there somewhere, right?
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gogzy
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ya, but ZDX is nor a SUV nor sedan.... it's in a class of it's own ;)
j/k
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spyder5786
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Learn to read between the lines.
"The new lineup will feature four sedans, the TSX, TL, RL and ILX."
For now, it will feature 4 sedans. For now, there is no plan to eliminate one of them. Think with some logic - if there is no separate platform for the Euro Accord, there is no TSX, period. Acura will have nothing to base the TSX off of, and the volumes do not justify it's own platform.
ipribadi wrote:
There is a future TSX. Acura already announce there will be 4 sedans and 2 SUV's. Stop spreading lies.
RLX, TLX, TSX, ILX... MDX, RDX
The new lineup will feature four sedans, the TSX, TL, RL and ILX. There is some overlap, but Conrad said Acura has no plans to eliminate any of the four.
"We're remaking the entire lineup over the next few years," Conrad said. "Nothing goes away, and we're sticking with that. We've had a pretty strong reliance on sport-utilities and we want to bolster our sedans." |
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ipribadi
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Well what I imagine is the TSX will be base on the global Accord platform and the TL will have its own platform.
If TSX goes away, how do you explain the price gap from ILX to TL? Will the next TL go down in pricing? no way.
Will the ILX go up in pricing before FMC? No way either.
And how do you interpret "Conrad said Acura has no plans to eliminate any of the four. "We're remaking the entire lineup over the next few years ," Conrad said. "Nothing goes away, and we're sticking with that."
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Great_Tubimi
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ipribadi wrote:
So for $810 more you get the 2.4l engine and a larger car.
I know some folks desire a smaller car and the 2 mpg combined better fuel eco, but for sure I would never go for the ILX when $810 gets me a TSX.
Perhaps there's more of a personality difference between the two cars to allow each to cater to different markets, so we'll see.
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I see that Acura has give separation to the ILX and TSX MT offerings by making the MT on the TSX only available on the SE model. This causes a $1810 difference for those focused on the MT offerings.
But for the $810 you still get:
The 2.4L engine
No choice AT (engineered separation)
Larger car
Power front passenger seat
Mirror mounted turn signals
Unique chassis and design language (to U.S.)
slightly less rear seat legroom (ILX has a little more, I've read)
Bigger trunk than a TL
I would go with the TSX mainly because I find its styling superior, which is more of a knock to the ILX than anything. I'd probably get last year's model of the TSX (SE) so that I could have the manual at a similar price in addition to the extra (boy racer) touches the SE has.
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Ganplosive
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spyder5786 wrote:
Learn to read between the lines.
"The new lineup will feature four sedans, the TSX, TL, RL and ILX."
For now, it will feature 4 sedans. For now, there is no plan to eliminate one of them. Think with some logic - if there is no separate platform for the Euro Accord, there is no TSX, period. Acura will have nothing to base the TSX off of, and the volumes do not justify it's own platform.
ipribadi wrote:
There is a future TSX. Acura already announce there will be 4 sedans and 2 SUV's. Stop spreading lies.
RLX, TLX, TSX, ILX... MDX, RDX
The new lineup will feature four sedans, the TSX, TL, RL and ILX. There is some overlap, but Conrad said Acura has no plans to eliminate any of the four.
"We're remaking the entire lineup over the next few years," Conrad said. "Nothing goes away, and we're sticking with that. We've had a pretty strong reliance on sport-utilities and we want to bolster our sedans." |
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As far as I know, there's currently the US Accord platform, and the Euro Accord platform. When Honda plans to come out with a global accord platform, I anticipate them using the US Accord platform. What happens to the Euro Accord platform? I don't think Honda is just going to kill it. I actually anticipate Acura eating it up entirely and keeping it for use for the next gen-TSX. But at this point it's all speculation
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CarmB
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It's about how much car do you want and/or need. I think the point is to offer a slightly smaller car that can be had for significantly less money and is less expensive to maintain.
The key here is for the ILX to compare reasonably close to the TSX when taken out for back-to-back test runs.
If the ILX doesn't feel like a compromise over the TSX, I could see a lot of people opting for it instead. That means that behind the wheel, the ILX needs to come across as a high quality sedan well worth the asking price. When magazines do comparisons, for example, it makes sense that the ILX should be compared to cars similar to the TSX, IS 250, etc. and not found lacking.
Besides, while it is true that the ILX Premium and the TSX base are similarly enough priced to cause one to consider the TSX, it is also true that there is a configuration of the ILX that can be had for significantly less than the base TSX.
As well, while the high-performance 2.4L ILX comes in pretty close to the automatic TSX in price, I suspect that being a lighter vehicle, it would be more to the liking of those looking for a more engaging sports sedan. We're talking the same motor only in a car that is about 500 lbs. lighter. That's a considerable weight loss.
It seems to me that the 6-speed ILX 2.4 makes a lot more sense than the same power train in the TSX and that the entry-grade ILX at a starting price of $25,900, likewise makes more sense than an entry TSX. Where I could see weak sales would be in the premium ILX automatic. Then the TSX is rather compelling in comparison.
Basically if you have to have an automatic, the base ILX and the base TSX make some sense, each coming in at a dramatically different price point ($25,900 vs. $30.010). It does make one wonder how many ILX automatics with the Premium package Acura will sell at $29,200 though the version with the technology package could appeal at $31,400 vs. the top trim in the 4-cylinder TSX checking in at $33,110.
If you are looking for a manual stick, there is no contest. The ILX makes a lot of sense. The 6-speed TSX lists for $31,010 while the 6-speed ILX will check in at $29,200. That's a difference of $1,810. Plus the combined fuel economy estimate for the manual ILX is 25 mpg vs. 24 for the TSX manual. One MPG means that for every 12,000 miles you use an additional 20 gallons in the TSX. At $5 a gallon that's an extra $100 a year. So if the price difference is $2,000 (including taxes) and you save $500 in five years of average driving, now you're talking $2,500.
Given an opportunity to drive a more fun car and also to save $2,500 at the same time, I think a lot of consumers would be interested. If so, what we might see is the elimination entirely of the 6-speed manual TSX. The ILX, at 500 lbs. lighter just makes more sense.
That car would also be compared to the Civic Si with which it also shares a motor. The Civic lists for $22,555 but we are talking an entirely different class of car. Put the Civic Si and the ILX side by side and it would be easy to determine which of the two is the more expensive product.
What will do poorly, I think is the hybrid and the automatic with the Premium package. The performance ILX will be a success, especially with the automotive press likely gravitating to that car, and the ILX with the premium+technology package will also do well. Customers looking at the $29,200 ILX Premium will gravitate to the TSX.
I find it puzzling, by the way, that Acura has introduced the hybrid with what is clearly a power train that doesn't fit in with this product. They should have waited for more advanced hybrid systems a year or so from now giving them a new model to bring out to generate interest next year.
A sports wagon and a coupe are probably in the works and perhaps bringing those models along will be how Acura generates renewed interest.
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Ganplosive
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One thing a lot of people dismiss is the NEWNESS factor. The TSX is on its 4th year, and close to shutting out while the ILX is brand spanking new. That definitely plays a factor in buying behaviors.
In my opinion, the ILX has a different enough of a exterior design to justify standing on its own vs a tsx. But when it comes down to it, the same argument that I keep hearing is that the TSX is a better VALUE or that the Civic is a better VALUE. Since when did so many TOVers become penny pinchers in looking solely at value in buying vehicles? This is an Acura we're talking about, and they're trying to play in the luxury game but everyone and their moms are talking about value like it's the only thing that matters. Don't get me wrong, it's smart. But why isn't anyone else celebrating more options? It's your money spend it however you want. Why let anyone else tell you how much worth you got out of your money?
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CarmB
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Ganplosive wrote:
One thing a lot of people dismiss is the NEWNESS factor. The TSX is on its 4th year, and close to shutting out while the ILX is brand spanking new. That definitely plays a factor in buying behaviors.
In my opinion, the ILX has a different enough of a exterior design to justify standing on its own vs a tsx. But when it comes down to it, the same argument that I keep hearing is that the TSX is a better VALUE or that the Civic is a better VALUE. Since when did so many TOVers become penny pinchers in looking solely at value in buying vehicles? This is an Acura we're talking about, and they're trying to play in the luxury game but everyone and their moms are talking about value like it's the only thing that matters. Don't get me wrong, it's smart. But why isn't anyone else celebrating more options? It's your money spend it however you want. Why let anyone else tell you how much worth you got out of your money?
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If one buys cars by the pound, then the sort of value hat is being argued over makes sense. Yet is that how this really works. A heavier car isn't necessarily a better car. Handling is improved when you bring weight down and so is efficiency. As well, the same engine in a lighter car produces a faster car.
As you point out, it's about choice. Some would rather have the heavier vehicle and others the lighter vehicle which would cost a little less, be more fuel efficient and be more fun to drive, especially with the 2.4L and the six-speed stick.
As for which car represents more value, that depends on what you are placing importance on. Value is in the eye of the beholder and who can say that anyone is wrong for valuing what they do.
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