08NWBLKTLS
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Just seems to me the 2.4 premium would cost more than the 2.0 premium. Same car better engine right?
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danielgr
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08NWBLKTLS wrote:
Just seems to me the 2.4 premium would cost more than the 2.0 premium. Same car better engine right?
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Back in 2009 I wrote something that got largely unnoticed in TOV: JDM Fit MMC1 : The end of the power days ?, and ILX pricing seems to follow the trend I announced back then.
Indeed, the days where "more power" is perceived as "better" (in the minds of the majority of the people, the market as a whole) are coming (little by little, it'll take time) to an end.
I think anyone would agree that "more power is better", but more and more people would similarly agree that "better fuel economy is better". That is at least Honda's point of view and planing here. They are simply letting you choose your side, based on your priorities (power or fuel economy), and they expect their respective market value to be similar.
Now this should be considered as a serious challenge for all the power hungry enthusiasts, because if power-cars are to survive that K24 better sell in higher numbers than the R20...
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Powered by Honda
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maybe the 2.0 only comes in Automatic.
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MasterOfDaDomain
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This is interesting, I guess Acura is betting that most buyers would go for the automatic and better fuel economy, so it's a moot point.
BUT... TSX Special Edition with 6MT is only $31,010.
I guess it's easy to guess why TSX is on the chopping block.
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danielgr
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Powered by Honda wrote:
maybe the 2.0 only comes in Automatic.
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That is not a "maybe".
• the r20 is 5AT only
• the K24 is 6MT only...
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superchg2
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08NWBLKTLS wrote:
Just seems to me the 2.4 premium would cost more than the 2.0 premium. Same car better engine right?
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If you want a manual tranny ILX, you have exactly one choice (2.4). As has been discussed previously, it is available only as a premium and definitely seems to be a better value than the 2.0 with premium.
However...if you want an auto, you have to get the 2.0 or the 1.5 hybrid.
If you want the technology pkg....you have to get the 2.0 or the hybrid.
Veddy interesting!
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Hondarulez
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lol this is kinda confusing and interesting......at least Acura is now offering more choices for customers.
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dootndo2
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MasterOfDaDomain wrote:
This is interesting, I guess Acura is betting that most buyers would go for the automatic and better fuel economy, so it's a moot point.
BUT... TSX Special Edition with 6MT is only $31,010.
I guess it's easy to guess why TSX is on the chopping block.
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Not exactly sure why this is still unclear.
TSX is going away because the next generation Accord is smaller and will be global. The TSX is the Euro (non-USA) Accord. That model will no longer be needed. This is why we are getting ILX.
Remember when the TSX was announced? It was the new entry level Acura at that time replacing the RSX (the other entry level Acura) which replaced the Integra (the other other entry level Acura based on the Civic platform).
dootndo2
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Gumbercules
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MasterOfDaDomain wrote:
This is interesting, I guess Acura is betting that most buyers would go for the automatic and better fuel economy, so it's a moot point.
BUT... TSX Special Edition with 6MT is only $31,010.
I guess it's easy to guess why TSX is on the chopping block.
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I was thinking the same, that TSX looks like a great deal compared to ILX Premium, but then I remembered that the TSX is 4 years old now and its replacement will more than likely cost a lot more sadly.
I hope the ED engines come soon and hold up to their promise.
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Kool Aid
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Gumbercules wrote:
MasterOfDaDomain wrote:
This is interesting, I guess Acura is betting that most buyers would go for the automatic and better fuel economy, so it's a moot point.
BUT... TSX Special Edition with 6MT is only $31,010.
I guess it's easy to guess why TSX is on the chopping block.
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I was thinking the same, that TSX looks like a great deal compared to ILX Premium, but then I remembered that the TSX is 4 years old now and its replacement will more than likely cost a lot more sadly.
I hope the ED engines come soon and hold up to their promise.
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Slightly off topic (but when has that been a problem here?). Curious, which badge do you think has more brand equity? TSX or TL? In other words, if they were to keep only one which should they keep? Personally, I think these should be blended together into one car and called the TLX but maybe that's just me...
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Hondarulez
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dootndo2 wrote:
MasterOfDaDomain wrote:
This is interesting, I guess Acura is betting that most buyers would go for the automatic and better fuel economy, so it's a moot point.
BUT... TSX Special Edition with 6MT is only $31,010.
I guess it's easy to guess why TSX is on the chopping block.
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Not exactly sure why this is still unclear.
TSX is going away because the next generation Accord is smaller and will be global. The TSX is the Euro (non-USA) Accord. That model will no longer be needed. This is why we are getting ILX.
Remember when the TSX was announced? It was the new entry level Acura at that time replacing the RSX (the other entry level Acura) which replaced the Integra (the other other entry level Acura based on the Civic platform).
dootndo2
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On the other hand, Mendel said the TSX isn't going anywhere..so at the very least, there are some conflicting statements out there....if the TSX is staying, I'm guessing it will be moved higher up to accommodate the ILX.
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Zoopa
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At least Acura got rid of the Premium diaper change pad on the dashboard option:
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?image=1003309/13rsx_bp-02.jpg
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1003811&news_item_id=1003309
But seriously, on pictures and video, the new ILX looks nice. I saw a new RDX today, and the car looks 10-times better than the old model ever did, (which looked really bad the last couple years).
The first generation TSX was expected to sell 16k units per year. Acura sold many more, (I happily own a 2006 Milano red TSX). I think Acura will do very well with this car. The new Civic was one of the worst (possibly the worst), executed new cars, and really poorly received in the media. I have trouble understanding how this forum's readers don't see the value in owning a car that is intended to be a luxury car based on a modified Civic floor pan. Especially when the TSX is much closer to the Euro-Accord, than the ILX is to the Civic.
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integrator
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Hondarulez wrote:
dootndo2 wrote:
MasterOfDaDomain wrote:
This is interesting, I guess Acura is betting that most buyers would go for the automatic and better fuel economy, so it's a moot point.
BUT... TSX Special Edition with 6MT is only $31,010.
I guess it's easy to guess why TSX is on the chopping block.
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Not exactly sure why this is still unclear.
TSX is going away because the next generation Accord is smaller and will be global. The TSX is the Euro (non-USA) Accord. That model will no longer be needed. This is why we are getting ILX.
Remember when the TSX was announced? It was the new entry level Acura at that time replacing the RSX (the other entry level Acura) which replaced the Integra (the other other entry level Acura based on the Civic platform).
dootndo2
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On the other hand, Mendel said the TSX isn't going anywhere..so at the very least, there are some conflicting statements out there....if the TSX is staying, I'm guessing it will be moved higher up to accommodate the ILX.
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I think thats exactly right. But the lower trim level TSXs will begin to disappear. I've asserted for some time that despite the Smart Luxury edict from Japan, the march toward Mendels Tier 1 agenda essentially continues. They only added a stop gap car: the ILX. Notice the RDX has already moved up, and the NSX will go way north of 100k.
I also bet you'll have trouble finding an ILX with cloth seats.
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Hondarulez
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integrator wrote:
Hondarulez wrote:
dootndo2 wrote:
MasterOfDaDomain wrote:
This is interesting, I guess Acura is betting that most buyers would go for the automatic and better fuel economy, so it's a moot point.
BUT... TSX Special Edition with 6MT is only $31,010.
I guess it's easy to guess why TSX is on the chopping block.
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Not exactly sure why this is still unclear.
TSX is going away because the next generation Accord is smaller and will be global. The TSX is the Euro (non-USA) Accord. That model will no longer be needed. This is why we are getting ILX.
Remember when the TSX was announced? It was the new entry level Acura at that time replacing the RSX (the other entry level Acura) which replaced the Integra (the other other entry level Acura based on the Civic platform).
dootndo2
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On the other hand, Mendel said the TSX isn't going anywhere..so at the very least, there are some conflicting statements out there....if the TSX is staying, I'm guessing it will be moved higher up to accommodate the ILX.
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I think thats exactly right. But the lower trim level TSXs will begin to disappear. I've asserted for some time that despite the Smart Luxury edict from Japan, the march toward Mendels Tier 1 agenda essentially continues. They only added a stop gap car: the ILX. Notice the RDX has already moved up, and the NSX will go way north of 100k.
I also bet you'll have trouble finding an ILX with cloth seats.
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What do you mean by lower trim level TSXs? I thought in the US, even the base TSX is pretty much fully loaded except for navi package. In Canada, the base TSX has cloth seats and no HIDs.
I think when the ILX gets the new ED powertrains, it will be even better. Base ILX with 165hp, 30 combined mpg, and new CVT that is way better than old CVT seems like a good start at $26k to me.
TSX needs to aim higher for sure to better compete with C Class, A4, 3 series, etc. I think SH-AWD is a must.
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