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Hmm... this was first shown on the new RLX.
But Jeff said NADA about it...
Seems like AHM is teaming with Harman to mate the in car entertainment/NAVI with your cell phone.
Pretty smart.. really the optimal solution.. the car provides the API (Application Programming Interface) for the User Interface and the phone then is used for providing the content and connection.
Question... when my family goes together we have FOUR G3/4 phones between us. As it is, Bluetooth overload.
So, what will Aha do with multiple phones in the car?
Here's links...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/04/acura-aha-harman-2013-rlx/
http://www.aharadio.com/
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Longhorn
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Hmmm, a new 14 speaker system is said to debut in the RLX. Harmon OEM autogroup includes brands such as JBL (Toyota only),Mark Levinson (Lexus only)Lexicon,Infinity and Harmon/Kardon. Could Harmon be the new supplier of the whole system or just the head unit?
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JeffX
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TonyE wrote:
Hmm... this was first shown on the new RLX.
But Jeff said NADA about it...
Seems like AHM is teaming with Harman to mate the in car entertainment/NAVI with your cell phone.
Pretty smart.. really the optimal solution.. the car provides the API (Application Programming Interface) for the User Interface and the phone then is used for providing the content and connection.
Question... when my family goes together we have FOUR G3/4 phones between us. As it is, Bluetooth overload.
So, what will Aha do with multiple phones in the car?
Here's links...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/04/acura-aha-harman-2013-rlx/
http://www.aharadio.com/
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It was mentioned in the press release we posted. Truth is, this stuff should have already been integrated in cars 3 or 4 years ago. It's not all that newsworthy now, but the OEMs think they've discovered fire or something.
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TonyEX
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Jeff wrote:
TonyE wrote:
Hmm... this was first shown on the new RLX.
But Jeff said NADA about it...
Seems like AHM is teaming with Harman to mate the in car entertainment/NAVI with your cell phone.
Pretty smart.. really the optimal solution.. the car provides the API (Application Programming Interface) for the User Interface and the phone then is used for providing the content and connection.
Question... when my family goes together we have FOUR G3/4 phones between us. As it is, Bluetooth overload.
So, what will Aha do with multiple phones in the car?
Here's links...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/04/acura-aha-harman-2013-rlx/
http://www.aharadio.com/
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It was mentioned in the press release we posted. Truth is, this stuff should have already been integrated in cars 3 or 4 years ago. It's not all that newsworthy now, but the OEMs think they've discovered fire or something.
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Actually it is a fundamental shift in how the automakers think about these things.. on a par as when built in cell phones in cars went away (remember those??).
Automakers are inherently technologically conservative because of risk and liability. Ford, for example, decided to jump early with their Microsoft based system and they have been paying dearly for it, Benz has its own system which is closed source so I dare say that will be obsolete in ten years at most.
Even stuff that is fundamental to the car, like the CAN Bus, has caused the germans lots of headaches.
So, it stands to reason that until technology reaches a reasonably stable plateau (ie: creating an Internet based, Cellular Connection, open source -Android- or strict standards controlled -iPhone- ), the automakers are not going to invest in a vehicle API to host such devices.
Bluetooth and the iPod were API standards that the automakers were able to absorb easily because they were stable and mature, now the adoption of standardized "smart phone" APIs is the next step.
Stay tuned when closed systems such as in-car NAVI will go away to be replaced by open system where the "default" Presentation Manager may be provided by the automaker but additional layers and most of the non car related content will be sourced by the external personal devices. Sort of like how you can select KDE, Gnome or raw X sessions in Linux. I guess in the Windows world we have some control over skins, but that's just an application bandage, not a true presentation manager...
I wonder if they will also provide an API for tablets... Now, that would be interesting.
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CarPhreakD
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Jeff, the problem is that the auto world does not move as fast as the tech world. Even now it's a bit of a struggle... witness the My Ford Touch fiasco...
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Nick GravesX
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TonyE wrote:
Jeff wrote:
TonyE wrote:
Hmm... this was first shown on the new RLX.
But Jeff said NADA about it...
Seems like AHM is teaming with Harman to mate the in car entertainment/NAVI with your cell phone.
Pretty smart.. really the optimal solution.. the car provides the API (Application Programming Interface) for the User Interface and the phone then is used for providing the content and connection.
Question... when my family goes together we have FOUR G3/4 phones between us. As it is, Bluetooth overload.
So, what will Aha do with multiple phones in the car?
Here's links...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/04/acura-aha-harman-2013-rlx/
http://www.aharadio.com/
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It was mentioned in the press release we posted. Truth is, this stuff should have already been integrated in cars 3 or 4 years ago. It's not all that newsworthy now, but the OEMs think they've discovered fire or something.
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Actually it is a fundamental shift in how the automakers think about these things.. on a par as when built in cell phones in cars went away (remember those??).
Automakers are inherently technologically conservative because of risk and liability. Ford, for example, decided to jump early with their Microsoft based system and they have been paying dearly for it, Benz has its own system which is closed source so I dare say that will be obsolete in ten years at most.
Even stuff that is fundamental to the car, like the CAN Bus, has caused the germans lots of headaches.
So, it stands to reason that until technology reaches a reasonably stable plateau (ie: creating an Internet based, Cellular Connection, open source -Android- or strict standards controlled -iPhone- ), the automakers are not going to invest in a vehicle API to host such devices.
Bluetooth and the iPod were API standards that the automakers were able to absorb easily because they were stable and mature, now the adoption of standardized "smart phone" APIs is the next step.
Stay tuned when closed systems such as in-car NAVI will go away to be replaced by open system where the "default" Presentation Manager may be provided by the automaker but additional layers and most of the non car related content will be sourced by the external personal devices. Sort of like how you can select KDE, Gnome or raw X sessions in Linux. I guess in the Windows world we have some control over skins, but that's just an application bandage, not a true presentation manager...
I wonder if they will also provide an API for tablets... Now, that would be interesting.
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The other problem is that all this tech stuff is junk almost as soon as it's launched.
Our Hondas are over a decade old & still reliable/functioning.
There's got to be 'upgradability' of somesort, yet it seems to be becoming more difficult all the time.
At least with DIN/double-DIN, you could junk the old stuff, if you could find something newer that is actually better.
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Power Of Dreams
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Longhorn wrote:
Hmmm, a new 14 speaker system is said to debut in the RLX. Harmon OEM autogroup includes brands such as JBL (Toyota only),Mark Levinson (Lexus only)Lexicon,Infinity and Harmon/Kardon. Could Harmon be the new supplier of the whole system or just the head unit?
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Harman does not make head units, radio manufacturers such as Fujitsu and Pioneer license the technology from Harman and integrate it into their systems. The Mark Levinson system in a Lexus has Harman speakers, a Harman/Becker amp and a radio made by Pioneer.
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Aha Ryan
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TonyE,
There are two answers to that question. First, all of our iOS integrations are using the standard USB/Dock cable. Users can stream audio-only via bluetooth, but the full experience requires a wired connection.
Second, all of our Android integrations are using bluetooth, but when you set up the connection on the head-unit you can choose which bluetooth signal to connect to.
-Ryan
Aha Team
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Aha Ryan
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Nick Graves,
We completely agree about the challenges of keeping car tech from becoming outdated. One of our primary objectives with Aha is to enable usefulness and flexibility down the line.
As new trends emerge, or as others fade away, we handle it all in the cloud. Once a device maker integrates us they can let us handle the rest. No need to update the head-unit software to get the new features (at least from Aha).
-Ryan
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Longhorn
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Power Of Dreams wrote:
Longhorn wrote:
Hmmm, a new 14 speaker system is said to debut in the RLX. Harmon OEM autogroup includes brands such as JBL (Toyota only),Mark Levinson (Lexus only)Lexicon,Infinity and Harmon/Kardon. Could Harmon be the new supplier of the whole system or just the head unit?
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Harman does not make head units, radio manufacturers such as Fujitsu and Pioneer license the technology from Harman and integrate it into their systems. The Mark Levinson system in a Lexus has Harman speakers, a Harman/Becker amp and a radio made by Pioneer.
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True,I forgot about the Pioneer head unit,its the reason why Nakamichi left Lexus. Toyota apparently has a sweetheart deal with Pioneer for electronics and it wanted Nak to use the Pioneer headunt in its system and Nak stood by its principles and stated all Nak or no Nak at all............we know the rest of the story.
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Aha Ryan
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Longhorn & Power of Dreams,
"Harman does not make head units, radio manufacturers such as Fujitsu and Pioneer license the technology from Harman and integrate it into their systems. The Mark Levinson system in a Lexus has Harman speakers, a Harman/Becker amp and a radio made by Pioneer."
Actually Harman does make head units. They (I guess technically "we") do what you described for some partners, as well as build stuff from scratch.
-Ryan
Aha Team
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DCR
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Interesting. First time for everything I guess.
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Longhorn
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Aha Ryan wrote:
Longhorn & Power of Dreams,
"Harman does not make head units, radio manufacturers such as Fujitsu and Pioneer license the technology from Harman and integrate it into their systems. The Mark Levinson system in a Lexus has Harman speakers, a Harman/Becker amp and a radio made by Pioneer."
Actually Harman does make head units. They (I guess technically "we") do what you described for some partners, as well as build stuff from scratch.
-Ryan
Aha Team
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Are you refering to the Becker HU made in Europe?
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Aha Ryan
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Longhorn wrote:
Aha Ryan wrote:
Longhorn & Power of Dreams,
"Harman does not make head units, radio manufacturers such as Fujitsu and Pioneer license the technology from Harman and integrate it into their systems. The Mark Levinson system in a Lexus has Harman speakers, a Harman/Becker amp and a radio made by Pioneer."
Actually Harman does make head units. They (I guess technically "we") do what you described for some partners, as well as build stuff from scratch.
-Ryan
Aha Team
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Are you refering to the Becker HU made in Europe?
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Longhorn,
I was just speaking about head units in general. I work on the Aha team and don't know the specifics of each HU, but I do know that Harman isn't just licensing tech to other device makers.
-Ryan
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TonyEX
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Aha Ryan wrote:
Nick Graves,
We completely agree about the challenges of keeping car tech from becoming outdated. One of our primary objectives with Aha is to enable usefulness and flexibility down the line.
As new trends emerge, or as others fade away, we handle it all in the cloud. Once a device maker integrates us they can let us handle the rest. No need to update the head-unit software to get the new features (at least from Aha).
-Ryan
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(1) I'm not that enamoured of Cloud Storage.. I have issues with privacy (*) and performance. From my POV, I'd rather isolate how data is stored -cloud, local drive- from the services that are presented to the in-car infomatics via an API.
(2) In fact, when you think about it, the API between the vehicle and the device that matters. Aha! maybe great, but I would like to see where my phone uses an API that allows me to connect to the car and then I select the data connection. It's all about ISO layering... I want Layers 1 through 4 to be consistent... everything else is an application that is handled by the phone/device OS.
Of course, this means that Apple likely won't play for a while.
(3) Given a solid device/vehicle interface then you could imagine doing a ton of things... for example, the vehicle could route data between OBDII to the smart device... or you could wake up your car from afar (if you had another wireless/internet device)... the possibilities become endless at this point. Limited only by liability and the robustness of the OS/applications.
The last thing we want is another Ford/Microsoft fiasco. A close source product with too much integration between the components and not enough robustness/correctness in the design.
(*) I prefer local RAID storage for intranet file sharing.. but of course when I woke up this AM I found that both of my RAID-5 servers were degraded... go figure. Kaboom to 8TB... one was rebuilding fine, the other was giving fits.. so I just bought more drives... Of course, the "hard backups" in the remaining 6TB in JBOD are fine... phew... For Internet data sharing I have my own website and I can use FTP/HTML as needed. But then, I'm a He Man... ;-)
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TonyEX
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Aha Ryan wrote:
Longhorn wrote:
Aha Ryan wrote:
Longhorn & Power of Dreams,
"Harman does not make head units, radio manufacturers such as Fujitsu and Pioneer license the technology from Harman and integrate it into their systems. The Mark Levinson system in a Lexus has Harman speakers, a Harman/Becker amp and a radio made by Pioneer."
Actually Harman does make head units. They (I guess technically "we") do what you described for some partners, as well as build stuff from scratch.
-Ryan
Aha Team
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Are you refering to the Becker HU made in Europe?
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Longhorn,
I was just speaking about head units in general. I work on the Aha team and don't know the specifics of each HU, but I do know that Harman isn't just licensing tech to other device makers.
-Ryan
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Hmm. so instead of shoehorning a pair of Magnepans in the car can you get Arnie Nudell to build you some new IRS panels? ;-)
Of course a pair of Revels would also sound great... may need an Odyssey to fit them in. And a pair of ML No. 53s to drive them.
But with sound like that, I would only drive them with my Linn LP12.... hmmm....
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TonyEX
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Aha Ryan wrote:
TonyE,
There are two answers to that question. First, all of our iOS integrations are using the standard USB/Dock cable. Users can stream audio-only via bluetooth, but the full experience requires a wired connection.
Second, all of our Android integrations are using bluetooth, but when you set up the connection on the head-unit you can choose which bluetooth signal to connect to.
-Ryan
Aha Team
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Hmm.. so this is all about Honda providing a device that supports a remote application API over an USB transport layer API for an Android application?
-Bluetooth being another transport layer with lower bit rates.
How about for PCs? Are there plans for an interface for a tethered Android? Normally you can use a high quality audio card in a PC whereas to date the phones audio quality is dismal.
Until, that is, someone decides to provide an API for hooking audio devices over the Android USB which sounds to me like something up your alley.
Which, is what AHM is doing for the car.
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longhorn
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TonyE wrote:
Aha Ryan wrote:
Longhorn wrote:
Aha Ryan wrote:
Longhorn & Power of Dreams,
"Harman does not make head units, radio manufacturers such as Fujitsu and Pioneer license the technology from Harman and integrate it into their systems. The Mark Levinson system in a Lexus has Harman speakers, a Harman/Becker amp and a radio made by Pioneer."
Actually Harman does make head units. They (I guess technically "we") do what you described for some partners, as well as build stuff from scratch.
-Ryan
Aha Team
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Are you refering to the Becker HU made in Europe?
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Longhorn,
I was just speaking about head units in general. I work on the Aha team and don't know the specifics of each HU, but I do know that Harman isn't just licensing tech to other device makers.
-Ryan
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Hmm. so instead of shoehorning a pair of Magnepans in the car can you get Arnie Nudell to build you some new IRS panels? ;-)
Of course a pair of Revels would also sound great... may need an Odyssey to fit them in. And a pair of ML No. 53s to drive them.
But with sound like that, I would only drive them with my Linn LP12.... hmmm....
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You have a Linn LP12?...........really?. On the other hand Martin Logan is working on tech that will have sound vibrating off the windshields of our cars.........fascinating stuff.
http://www.martinlogan.com/vaporsound/index.php
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TonyEX
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longhorn wrote:
You have a Linn LP12?...........really?. On the other hand Martin Logan is working on tech that will have sound vibrating off the windshields of our cars.........fascinating stuff.
http://www.martinlogan.com/vaporsound/index.php
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LP12 Valhalla with black Ittok Tonearm. Grado low output cartridge.
I want to get a Lingo but with a kid in school and another one coming on deck priorities need to be straight.
Stuff vibrating off the windshield... for cars?
They are BS'ing... no, not about the technology, but about the application.
This stuff is perfect for big screen TVs. I mean, as TVs get larger, where do you put the center channel? And large TV also mean large radiating areas so you could get real good bass response with little displacement.
Neat.
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TonyEX
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Wait.. it's an April's Fools joke.
damn!
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TonyEX
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TonyE wrote:
Hmm... this was first shown on the new RLX.
But Jeff said NADA about it...
Seems like AHM is teaming with Harman to mate the in car entertainment/NAVI with your cell phone.
Pretty smart.. really the optimal solution.. the car provides the API (Application Programming Interface) for the User Interface and the phone then is used for providing the content and connection.
Question... when my family goes together we have FOUR G3/4 phones between us. As it is, Bluetooth overload.
So, what will Aha do with multiple phones in the car?
Here's links...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/04/acura-aha-harman-2013-rlx/
http://www.aharadio.com/
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OK., so I downloaded AhaRadio into my Droid phone to try out.
The API is a bit complex because it does offer a lot of stuff, but right off the bat, I think this has the potential to kill XM radio and the like.
It also will kill in car based NAVI systems because the Droid is already almost there. Sure, the applications might still run in the in Car system and could provide a direct link to the information that the Droid phone gets (for example via Google Maps or some other service ) and then offer their own presentation manager, ie: Honda NAVI using Droid to get the traffic info, vehicle location and road map...
Of course, this is all predicated on having at least G3 available with coverage, but Verizon and the others are really "wiring" the country. Currently I think the entire I5 has G3 coverage.. imagine going up the Shiskayou pass and having live road maps ahead....
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