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| # | User | Car | Environ. | Real World FE | | Model | Year | Engine | kW | Trans | RatedFE | EGnorm | Count. | Type | US mpg | L/100km | km/L | | 1 | danielgr | CBR 250R | 2013 | MC41E | 20 | 6MT | EU 3.7 | WMTC |  | SC |  |  |  | | 2 | Hondasrule | Insight EX | 2012 | LDA-MF6 | 73 | CVT | US 41 | AT-PZEV |  | BC |  |  |  | | 3 | Call_In | Insight EX | 2010 | LDA-MF6 | 73 | CVT | US 41 | AT-PZEV | | SC |  |  |  | | 4 | danielgr | CR-Z alfa | 2010 | LEA-MF6 | 91 | 6MT | JP 22.6 | JP17-75 | | SC |  |  |  | | 5 | danielgr | Fit 1.3G | 2008 | L13A | 73 | CVT | JP 21.5 | JP17-75 | | SC |  |  |  | | 6 | Potenza | Civic LX sedan | 1999 | D16 | 79 | 4AT | US 27 | - | | CS |  |  |  | | 7 | HondaJet | OdysseyLX | 2010 | J35 | 182 | 5AT | US 18 | ULEV2 | | BC |  |  |  | | 8 | jbkingjr | Civic Si sedan | 2008 | K20 | 147 | 6MT | US 24 | LEV2 | | SC |  |  |  | | 9 | Potenza | Prelude Si 4WS | 1990 | B21A | 104 | 4AT | US 20 | - | | SC |  |  |  | | 10 | cforez | Integra GS-R | 1992 | B17A1 | 119 | 5MT | US 23 | - | | BC |  |  |  | | 11 | jeff | Civic Si sedan | 2008 | K20 | 147 | 6MT | US 24 | LEV2 | | - |  |  |  | | 12 | sadlerau | CR-V Luxury 4WD | 2009 | K24 | 125 | 5AT | EU 10.0 | Euro4 |  | BC |  |  |  | | 13 | HammerM | Mazda3 GT | 2004 | - | 118 | 4AT | US 23 | LEV2 |  | BC |  |  |  | | 14 | cforez | Odyssey EX-L | 2012 | J35 | 248 | 5AT | US 21 | ULEV2 | | BC |  |  |  | | 15 | AzNMaVbOi | S2000 | 2007 | F22C | 177 | 6MT | US 20 | LEV2 | | BC |  |  |  | | 16 | notyper | G37 Sport RWD | 2010 | - | 245 | 6MT | US 20 | ULEV2 | | BC |  |  |  | | 17 | alisperling | TL 3.7 SHAWD | 2009 | J37 | 227 | 5AT | US 20 | ULEV2 | | BC |  |  |  | | 18 | blackstripe77 | Odyssey Absolute | 2012 | K24 | 152 | 5AT | JP 11 | JP17-75 |  | BC |  |  |  |
* Check next post to see explanations, details, and how to participate
Last edited by danielgr on 04-26-2013 07:41
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danielgr
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Purpose
Recently, cars' fuel economy has become a rather popular matter of discussion. As such, I thought it would be great to have some kind of database where one could see real world figures of TOV members, which is what I'm trying to build.
I wanted this table to be as meaningful and informative as possible given TOV's board limitations, which is why I've added fields relevant to FE such as where is the car being driven, and why I decided to rely on spritmonitor's website for dealing with all the data.
The more people play the game honestly, the more informative will become the tool for everyone.
Hope this works (although I fear nobody will participate...; prove me wrong !!!)
Explanation of the table
1) I have added fields to understand basic FE relevant information. Fields that may need some further info are:
- # : A simple ranking; the table will be sorted from best FE to worse one.
- Delta : I'll upload the table sorting once a month, and this field is supposed to get the variation from previous month.
- RatedFE : This is official rating on its original country
- EGnorm : Exhaust Gas norm, depending on country; I may post the codes as they come.
- Environment Type:
* SC : small city
* BC : big city (population over 400k)
* CS : country side
2) The FE data will be always up to date, since they mileage icons provided by spritmonitor are reloaded together with the website.
3) I will update the ranking positions once a month, knowing that it won't be changing every day.
How to participate
1) Open a (free) spritmonitor account.
- If you don't have a spritmonitor account, open one by going to their website, and start tracking your fill-ups.
- Spritmonitor allows you to provide all kinds of information, and also track your cost of ownership in a rather detailed way. You can choose what you want to share with others, so don't worry about privacy stuff.
- All we need here though is the most basic info at each fill-up:
a) how many liters went in your tank
b) your odometer reading (trip mileage is calculated automatically)
2) Post in this thread the information I need to fill the table:
- Info about your car (model, year, engine, power, etc.)
- Info about your environment (country and type of place : big city/small city/country side)
- Your spritmonitor "vehicle number" (clic on your car under your account, and copy paste the number from either the end of the "url", or at "Home -> My Account -> Vehicle XXXXXX"
Notes
1) You don't need to provide all the info of the table if you don't want to do it or if you don't know it.
2) You don't need to fill-up the tank every time, although obviously you will only know your FE between two full tanks (which will take in account all your partial fillings in between if you had input the fuel volume for each of them).
3) If you had been monitoring your fill ups on your own using Excell or something similar you can export the data in csv (comma separated values file) and import it directly to spritmonitor without having to type it again.
4) UK people may use spritmonitor in imperial mpg for themselves, and provide their mileage icon as such, but in the table I'll only show the 3 current units. Sorry if you feel it's unfair, but otherwise the table wouldn't fit on many common screen sizes so I had to get rid of it.
5) I will not include cars in the table until they've reached a minimum of 5000km / 3000 miles.
Last edited by danielgr on 08-16-2010 02:10
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typer_801
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This same thing exists on the web at fueleconomy.gov for those of us in the States
You can post and view MPG by year/make/model of vehicle. Includes both EPA estimate and real world results. It's a great resource.
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danielgr
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typer_801 wrote:
This same thing exists on the web at fueleconomy.gov for those of us in the States
You can post and view MPG by year/make/model of vehicle. Includes both EPA estimate and real world results. It's a great resource. |
1st) It's about people in TOV, users that have a user name and are known by the community, whereas no-one here knows anything about people on fuelgov.
2nd) TOV has many users across the globe, and it would be nice to see the differences between countries and environments. This is not meant to be a US thing, nor a European thing, nor Asian, just TOV's. That's why I put the FE data in the three most common units.
3rd) fuelgov has a really lousy approach, because for example you can even input data by "guessing", or "based on trip computer". Also, it doesn't show any details on how users put their data inside, or how many km's they've gone, and it even allows you to post data without registering.
I choose spritmonitor because:
- it's available in English (TOV's language)
- it supports currencies and units from many parts of the world (which is essential for TOV)
- it allows for cars of any market (you can input yourself the name if it's not in the list).
- it provides the "mileage icon", which means the table is always up to date without me doing anything (where as I have no way of linking from TOV to fuelgov).
- it really offers rich information about the car's mileage history if the user wants to provide it, and requires you to input the data in the only reliable way (by registering your fill-ups).
That said, I'd understand if no one here is interested on having this TOV's database. I just had the idea though and decided to give it a try, knowing that it is likely to go nowhere to begin with.
Last edited by danielgr on 08-06-2010 12:24
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Call_In
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So I just set up an account, can you get all of the information from that site or do I have to post on here for every fillup?
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danielgr
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Call_In wrote:
So I just set up an account, can you get all of the information from that site or do I have to post on here for every fillup?
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- Info about your car (model, year, engine, power, etc.)
- Info about your environment (country and type of place as described bellow)
- Your spritmonitor "vehicle number" (clic on your car under your account, and copy paste the number from either the end of the "url", or at "Home -> My Account -> Vehicle XXXXXX")
After that there is no need for you to post anything else here.
Last edited by danielgr on 08-06-2010 20:52
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sadlerau
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Great idea, as always Daniel.
I have just opened my account at SpritMonitor.
I live in Perth, Western Australia
2009 Honda CRV Luxury 411784
2007 Honda Legend SH-AWD 411785
1998 Honda NSX 3.2 411786
Now to start compiling some data.......
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danielgr
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sadlerau wrote:
Great idea, as always Daniel.
I have just opened my account at SpritMonitor.
I live in Perth, Western Australia
[...]
Now to start compiling some data.......
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Btw, rather than the city (which you may keep private), I'd rather you describe your driving environment as :
- Big City
- Small city
- Country side
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sadlerau
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Big or small city can be a relative term?
We have a population of about 1.7 million, but spread out over a huge area [5,500 sq km]. My partner's Legend spends most all of it's time in stop start, peak hour freeway traffic [she works in the CBD], with the odd weekend run down our freeway system.
The CR-V I use very rarely sees peak hour traffic [I start work at 6:30am]. Most of it's running is in the outer suburbs, or on the freeway going to new subdivisions [I work in the housing construction industry].
When I used the Legend for my work, I was averaging about 11.7 l/100km, but my partner is only getting about 13.5 l/100km [though I do admit she does tend to drive it like she stole it :) ]. This seems bad, but due to operating conditions, I think the Legend is doing quite well! Actually thinking about it, the CR-V is averaging about 10.5 l/100km, so I think that trully does reflect well on the Legend!
Oh Honda, how you have managed to "cock up" the sales of such a fine car...........
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notyper
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Nice idea Daniel. I'd like to participate, but my only Honda street car never gets a complete fill up from a pump since I'm running E50 from cans. Are you interested in non-Honda vehicles as well, or just Honda products for now?
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danielgr
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notyper wrote:
Nice idea Daniel. I'd like to participate, but my only Honda street car never gets a complete fill up from a pump since I'm running E50 from cans. Are you interested in non-Honda vehicles as well, or just Honda products for now?
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I'd say as long as it's a car from a TOV user I don't mind it being a Honda or not. It could always be useful to someone here driving a TL to know what kind of mileage are you getting on your Infiniti :)
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danielgr
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sadlerau wrote:
Big or small city can be a relative term?
We have a population of about 1.7 million, but spread out over a huge area [5,500 sq km]. My partner's Legend spends most all of it's time in stop start, peak hour freeway traffic [she works in the CBD], with the odd weekend run down our freeway system.
The CR-V I use very rarely sees peak hour traffic [I start work at 6:30am]. Most of it's running is in the outer suburbs, or on the freeway going to new subdivisions [I work in the housing construction industry].
When I used the Legend for my work, I was averaging about 11.7 l/100km, but my partner is only getting about 13.5 l/100km [though I do admit she does tend to drive it like she stole it :) ]. This seems bad, but due to operating conditions, I think the Legend is doing quite well! Actually thinking about it, the CR-V is averaging about 10.5 l/100km, so I think that trully does reflect well on the Legend!
Oh Honda, how you have managed to "cock up" the sales of such a fine car...........
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I just made the somewhat arbitrary decision of considering "big" any city with a population over 400k. Around the border line I leave it up to each person to decide on how does he feel about his/her city. :)
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Chas2
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Car: Acura RL SH-AWD, 2006, V-6, 290 hp
Environment: USA, BC
Vehicle 413569 (registered as Honda Legend-no Acura choice)
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notyper
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User - notyper
Environment - USA, BC
Vehicle - G37S Sedan
#413626
Last edited by notyper on 08-17-2010 16:22
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alisperling
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Vehicle - 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD, 3.7 305HP
Canada. Big City.
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danielgr
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sadlerau wrote:
Great idea, as always Daniel.
I have just opened my account at SpritMonitor.
I live in Perth, Western Australia
2009 Honda CRV Luxury 411784
2007 Honda Legend SH-AWD 411785
1998 Honda NSX 3.2 411786
Now to start compiling some data.......
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That said, I tried to contact you through SpritMonitor but apparently it didn't work.
When entering your fuelings, the first full tank should be marked as "first fueling" in the "Type" field (you can edit each entry by clicking on the "pencil" mark on the right side of it). That entry will actually not be taken into account for the mpg calculation, since otherwise the measuring wouldn't be accurate (one only knows the gasoline used between two full tanks).
Hope you understand.
Daniel
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sadlerau
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Hello Daniel,
Your message did work, got around to changing it today :) Hope I've done it right.
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HammerM
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User: HammerM
Car: 2004 Mazda3 Sport GT, 2.3L, 4sp Auto, 160hp
Canada, big city
ID# 416660
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1989civicdx
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Thanks for setting up the database, Daniel! I've always had an issue with the mpg listed on the window sticker for my Honda's and always exceeding them despite some spirited driving once in a while (fuel economy freak 85%/ country road fun 15%). So, having said that:
I'm assuming your 45.4 avg is the 3 different driving modes combined. Does the CR-Z have the capacity to list a lifetime average separately for the three modes?
If this is possible on the 'Z, that would really be interesting to have three different mpg figures listed on your database for that car specifically since it is the only car with separate driving modes. If this would take away the nicely organized nature of your database, what about considering a separate one just for the 'Z since it is such a different animal? Yeah, and I know yours is the only one posted so far! Hopefully many more to come.
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danielgr
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1989civicdx wrote:
Thanks for setting up the database, Daniel! I've always had an issue with the mpg listed on the window sticker for my Honda's and always exceeding them despite some spirited driving once in a while (fuel economy freak 85%/ country road fun 15%). So, having said that:
I'm assuming your 45.4 avg is the 3 different driving modes combined. Does the CR-Z have the capacity to list a lifetime average separately for the three modes?
If this is possible on the 'Z, that would really be interesting to have three different mpg figures listed on your database for that car specifically since it is the only car with separate driving modes. If this would take away the nicely organized nature of your database, what about considering a separate one just for the 'Z since it is such a different animal? Yeah, and I know yours is the only one posted so far! Hopefully many more to come. |
:) :) :)
As for the CR-Z, I get so many information in Japan about my mileage... , but unfortunately not what you are looking for. You may suggest that to Honda for their next Internavy upgrade...
Otherwise yes, the mileage listed is the table is the car's total average since I bought it, and doesn't come from Honda, but from my own recording of every single liter of gas I put in the car (just like everyone else's mileage on the database). You can click on the mileage icon if you want to see the details...
PS: My second tank improved on my first, my third is likely to improve again according to the onboard computer (but haven't filled it up yet). No big secret here, I had extra time and went a bit slower each time.
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blackstripe77
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Unfortunately my Stream never gets a full tank. But I just filled up the company Lexus LS430/Toyota Celsior and it did 21.7l/100km -.-
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1989civicdx
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Trust me, no one on this forum is interested in the mpg of my two clunkers ('94 Accord 5-sp, '01 Sienna); not even me! I don't want to 'bog down' your database with those boring cars. They are at 225K & 177K miles so far and I plan to drive them until the wheels fall off. The 379KCivic refers to my first and still favorite car that I've ever owned. It was 100% reliable up until the day I sold it.
But I digress...The CR-Z, I want one (even though I haven't driven one yet) and am hoping for the premature (?) death of my Accord any day now! And yes, I would like to see Honda add the option of a lifetime avg mpg in all three driving modes to the MMC; slightly premature, huh?
BTW, IF the backseat AND backup camera were available as options here in the U.S., I suspect I'd have to overlook my pattern of driving a car forever and get the little Honda. I have not driven one yet simply because I still have to get back in the Accord afterward! With what I gather from all of the early reviews, this car has my name written all over it.
We'll see, but the rational side of me is starting to lose the argument.
Last edited by danielgr on 09-06-2010 09:03
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danielgr
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1989civicdx wrote:
Trust me, no one on this forum is interested in the mpg of my two clunkers ('94 Accord 5-sp, '01 Sienna); not even me! I don't want to 'bog down' your database with those boring cars. They are at 225K & 177K miles so far and I plan to drive them until the wheels fall off. The 379KCivic refers to my first and still favorite car that I've ever owned. It was 100% reliable up until the day I sold it.
But I digress...The CR-Z, I want one (even though I haven't driven one yet) and am hoping for the premature (?) death of my Accord any day now! And yes, I would like to see Honda add the option of a lifetime avg mpg in all three driving modes to the MMC; slightly premature, huh?
BTW, IF the backseat AND backup camera were available as options here in the U.S., I suspect I'd have to overlook my pattern of driving a car forever and get the little Honda. I have not driven one yet simply because I still have to get back in the Accord afterward! With what I gather from all of the early reviews, this car has my name written all over it.
We'll see, but the rational side of me is starting to lose the argument.
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:) :) :)
Now she (my rational side) is a bit happy because mileage is better than I had hoped for.
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danielgr
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blackstripe77 wrote:
Unfortunately my Stream never gets a full tank. But I just filled up the company Lexus LS430/Toyota Celsior and it did 21.7l/100km -.-
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I know other people that never fill it, but never understood the logic behind it...
Btw, company cars are very bad examples for real world mileage because most people abuse them knowing they won't pay for neither gas not repairs not anything.
Last edited by danielgr on 09-06-2010 09:17
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blackstripe77
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danielgr wrote:
blackstripe77 wrote:
Unfortunately my Stream never gets a full tank. But I just filled up the company Lexus LS430/Toyota Celsior and it did 21.7l/100km -.-
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I know other people that never fill it, but never understood the logic behind it...
Btw, company cars are very bad examples for real world mileage because most people abuse them knowing they won't pay for neither gas not repairs not anything. |
Mostly because its used for such short trips even half or two-thirds of a tank will last a while, so we just don't have the need to fill the tank every time. Occasionally the promotions are per X amount or price so we might fill according to that instead.
Not that my mother would be able to tell the difference but the car is more fun when its light on fuel (:
Would reduced weight also perhaps = better fuel economy?
The company car is used more as gas and toll is subsidized, but I'm usually the only person driving it. It's just used for commuting, and almost all of the time its driven sensibly. Aside from an hour a day on a busy highway, its mostly stop-start city driving, stuck in rush hour traffic, on steep and hilly roads, or all of those at the same time. Not doing any crazy hypermiling techniques, just mainly driving smoothly and sensibly. It does get the occasional jab of the right foot to keep things interesting, but otherwise just the usual smooth and easy on the throttle, early off the throttle and coasting, downshifting for engine braking going downhill... (I think the car shuts off the fuel because "Current Consumption" shows 0 during engine braking) The car was abused before we got it though... the previous guy managed to curb all 4 wheels, and the shocks were just replaced due to wear and tear. I cleaned the car the first time today as the company no longer hires the lady to clean (read: smear dirt around) the car. The paint is a wreck. Looks properly clean now that I've gotten my hands on it, but up close you can see its pretty badly damaged. It's nowhere near as smooth or glossy as the paint in the door jambs. Anyways back on topic - I blame the driving conditions for the poor mileage. With purely steady highway driving I've seen as low as 14l/100km, but in city traffic I've seen much higher. Car computer usually swings between 18l/100km and 25l/100km depending on amount of highway vs. city. We can lose a one or two liters/100km when my dad drives himself to work haha.
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Call_In
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Daniel,
Just now getting around to adding all of my existing data to this new database. I had been using fuelly.com before.
User Name - Call_In
Number - 411756
Model - 2010 Insight Ex
DC Suburbs/Foothills
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dootndo2
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Username - dootndo2
Number - 418512
Model - 2008 Honda Accord Coupe V6 MT
SE Wisconsin US
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danielgr
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Call_In wrote:
Daniel,
Just now getting around to adding all of my existing data to this new database. I had been using fuelly.com before.
User Name - Call_In
Number - 411756
Model - 2010 Insight Ex
DC Suburbs/Foothills
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(btw, did you know you could use csv -comma separated values- to import/export your data to/from spritmonitor?)
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danielgr
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dootndo2 wrote:
Username - dootndo2
Number - 418512
Model - 2008 Honda Accord Coupe V6 MT
SE Wisconsin US
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Call_In
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danielgr wrote:
Call_In wrote:
Daniel,
Just now getting around to adding all of my existing data to this new database. I had been using fuelly.com before.
User Name - Call_In
Number - 411756
Model - 2010 Insight Ex
DC Suburbs/Foothills
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(btw, did you know you could use csv -comma separated values- to import/export your data to/from spritmonitor?)
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Daniel,
I tried using a csv file but when i tried to import the file I had problems. The data was arranged into columns and they were not in the order that spritmonitor expected them to be in so it was just a mess. Copying those fillups from a csv really wasn't that bad.
Also, I did not read all the posts before I put up my information, sorry. For location I would fit in best as a Small City, if you could update that for me I would appreciate it.
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