Airrodgers
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For me having a CD player is like having a cassette player..
I haven't bought a CD in 20+ years...imo having the USB interface/mp3-wav player mean you don't really need a Cd player at all..
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RTypezCivic
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I have to agree. Although I don't have a cr-v. I own an 09 fit and never used my cd player. iPod interface is all I need, it's a must have.
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Airrodgers
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The dash look dated with a Cd player on it imo..
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aznstuart
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It's good to have the option. Just in case you ever get caught road tripping with your mother and she wants to listen to classical music and has brought her whole collection of CDs along with her for the ride...
At least they didn't waste money on the 6 disc in dash CD change this time around.
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Airrodgers
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aznstuart wrote:
At least they didn't waste money on the 6 disc in dash CD change this time around.
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someone review the 2012 CRv and said honda went cheap when they took out the 6 disc changer...I was like really dude this is 2012, having a CD changer in your dash is like having an 8 track...
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kirk
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I like CD's because they sound better. So they're.
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hooked
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I don't mind having a cd player included, just in case, as others have mentioned. It would be interesting to see the age demographics of who does or doesn't want the cd player.
I'm in my 40's, so cd's were the main music source going into adulthood. I'm sure the younger generations will be more inclined to not want the cd player and value the USB and Bluetooth connectivity more.
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Steve
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Maybe there are people out here that have CD's! That's the way, decontent because some people think the little slit looks dated. On the Civic, I think the digital speedo is '80s dated like in the 1986 Cougar. Its all in the eye of the beholder. Because a few may not like or have CD's, does not mean that there are not some who would like to listen to their CD's in the car.
Airrodgers wrote:
For me having a CD player is like having a cassette player..
I haven't bought a CD in 20+ years...imo having the USB interface/mp3-wav player mean you don't really need a Cd player at all..
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Last edited by RyanDL on 02-23-2012 10:08
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trexdoc
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I completely agree with Kirk.
I just turned 40 - grew up with cassettes and later CD's (even some records in the 70's!) - the sound quality of CD's is significantly better than MP3's and (especially) XM. XM sound quality is so horrible/compressed, I might dump this service since the college football season is over.
I haven't had the luxury of listening to SACD's or DVD-Audio - I had hoped that these "high resolution" audio CD's would have greater market penetration and be ultimately cheaper - alas, the younger generation seems to prefer "convenience" over audio quality.
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KMG1219
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It's a CRV, which has an older demographic of buyers that don't own mp3 players. My father in-law 56yrs old loves his 6 disc CD player in his corolla. He would not know how to use an mp3 player.
Now I could see a car like the Scion TC ditching the CD player.
I don't own an iphone, ipod, or mp3 player, but my wife does. She uses her iphone most of the time in her Scion TC, but does sometimes use the CD player. If I had an ipod control on my stereo I would probably use her old ipod touch though.
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Grace141
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I would perhaps trade my CD player in a car for a promise from SiriusXM for fewer channels with much greater bandwidth for each channel. The sound quality was decent when XM first started its service but now it's almost intolerable. There isn't much of a point for me to listen to low-res downloads - knowing the limitations built into the CD format it's hard to imagine stepping down from there. And the catch to high quality CDs is their recorded levels are so low (some lower than even the levels of good quality LPs) they require a lot of amplification of which OEM radios aren't capable.
Most folks today don't even know what FM radio is capable of providing. The last 30 years have seen an endless increase of loudness boost and reverb-like effects tacked on to mediocre recorded material. Modern FM does sound good on earbuds and table radios which is the point, I guess.
I listen to CDs, LPs and even a cassette now and then. I'm looking forward to using a device as a storage drive for lossless CD quality or better files in my car. USB connectivity with control in many of the current cars is cool. I can easily copy my CDs or purchaseed high-res downloads to a USB device.
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Grace141
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trexdoc wrote:
I haven't had the luxury of listening to SACD's or DVD-Audio - I had hoped that these "high resolution" audio CD's would have greater market penetration and be ultimately cheaper - alas, the younger generation seems to prefer "convenience" over audio quality.
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I started buying SACDs when the hybrids became available at retail stores. That market didn't last very long at all. I think the record companies and retailers shot themselves in their feet by pushing SACD/DVD-A as 5.1 surround sound instead of high quality digital audio. The demos I listened to were all 5.1 setups so I expected to be surrounded by the music. What I got was horribly post-mixed 1960s vintage ping-pong stereo-style sound with me asking why I would expect a snare drum to be playing behind me and to my left. The last time I sat or stood on a stage in the middle of the music I was the one performing.
The Acura ELS DVD-A system is a mistake because the people who might care about sound quality only expect better sound and not surround sound. The current Honda trend of very bright front speakers with muted, muddy back speakers is annoying and what you get by replacing everything with good quality drivers is hard to balance. Honestly, if Honda/Acura is going to give us cars with huge dashes they should just mount a pair of high quality 6x9 drivers in the dash firing upward matched with a simple 100w receiver.
Note to Honda: I will pay an extra $150 for a set of real speakers and not the coffee can plastic lids I removed from the front doors of my Accord.
Convenience is very cool. Streaming from an iPhone is much easier than my carrying 15 to 20 CDs in my car.
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ipribadi
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Don't own a CR-V (but may get one this Nov); I don't mind the CD player.
Just because it's only a small slit in the dash and probably cost $15 for Honda to add one.
Yes CD's sound better, but mp3's are fine as long as the bit rate is high enough (192kbs or higher) since Honda speakers are not that good anyway.
I don't believe one bit that anyone in a blind test can truthfully tell the sound difference between CD and 256kbps mp3 on a stock CRV.
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A77
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They're going to put their CDs in there somewhere. Just being a spelling Nazi...
CD changers are clearly dead - but the CD ripping feature in some Hondas is a nice interim system. Honda's own literature states that Bluetooth streaming offers inferior quality to XM, FM, CD and USB. The order should probably be CD, USB, aux input, XM, FM, then BT. But the reality is very different. In North America FM and XM are horribly compressed. Even FM can sound fantastic - as BBC used to prove in UK and maybe still does, even though FM is being phased out by DAB. I find the quality order here is CD, USB, BT streaming, which in the relatively noisy environment of a car are close, followed by a margin by XM and FM. I use BT streaming most, followed by XM. Then probably AM just for local news.
I don't get the bit about CDs being too quiet. They can have very wide DR in which case the quiet bits are very quiet. But I've never experienced a loudness inadequacy stemming from CDs themselves. Volume variation on mp3s is more irritating.
I still occasionally get asked how cassettes can be played in modern cars (use aux socket with a walkman). Bring back vinyl.
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Grace141
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I have maybe a dozen CDs I bought before about 1987 which are so low in level I can't really listen to them in the car while driving. Granted, my home stereo set is a better place to listen to good quality recordings. From what I've read, many recording engineers at the time were concerned about the available headroom in the new format hence the very low recording levels compared to the albums on LP and cassette. Modern CDs are just not mastered well at all unless you buy the high quality disks available through a small number of retailers.
I agree about high res lossless files being comparable to CD quality. I get the feeling that practically all people listening to USB devices are more concerned about cost and the number of songs they can load. Even HDTracks describes its high def downloads as only CD quality and they're rather expensive at that. What I would like to have is one set of high quality downloads for listening at home and in the car so anything less than CD quality isn't good enough for me. There is no reason to expect Honda to continue putting CD players in its cars for the few people like me but I would appreciate it if they did.
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DCR
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I would be pissed if it didn't have a CD player. I use it contantly for MP3 discs I have loaded up over the years. The USB is nice, and I use that too, but it doesn't make any sense to me to remove the CD player for the sake of removing it.
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pedazo
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I have a 10 TSX and I think the 12 CRV has the same set up. I like having a CD player. In the USB I have some 70 compleate CD which will be close to 700 -800 songs but I can not play a playlist. Make a Favorite Playlist, burn a MP3 Cd and have you favorite song right there.
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VTEC_Inside
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I recently swapped out the pos deck in my CSX for a nice Kenwood deck (What a pain in the ass btw, by the time I got the dash piece, harness and steering wheel interface hooked up), and I found myself asking this same question. I'm unlikely to ever use a CD again. Its faster to dump songs to my thumb drive and plug it in.
That said, I wouldn't mind them changing it to a DVD ROM drive so I could have like 9gb of mp3s on a single disc rather than the pathetic 700mb of a CD. In that case I'd have my main collection in there all the time on the DVD and still use the thumb drive for new stuff...
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revvin
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I still want a cassette player, screw you guys.
I'd rather have the luxury of choice than nothing at all.
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s2ktaxi
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revvin wrote:
I still want a cassette player, screw you guys.
I'd rather have the luxury of choice than nothing at all.
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The NSX had a cassette player through 2005!
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Airrodgers
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s2ktaxi wrote:
revvin wrote:
I still want a cassette player, screw you guys.
I'd rather have the luxury of choice than nothing at all.
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The NSX had a cassette player through 2005!
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An NSX have a cassette player in 2005, now that is just wrong...
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Grace141
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Airrodgers wrote:
s2ktaxi wrote:
revvin wrote:
I still want a cassette player, screw you guys.
I'd rather have the luxury of choice than nothing at all.
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The NSX had a cassette player through 2005!
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An NSX have a cassette player in 2005, now that is just wrong...
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A name which I bet most any 2005 NSX buyer would have known...Nakamichi Dragon!
The decks used in Hondas and Acuras were pretty decent. My workflow was a piece of cake with duping my CDs to cassettes for the car thereby leaving my CDs for home. Which is why my nearly 30 year old CDs still look new.
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HondaCrazy
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my 04 TL has a cassette!
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A77
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The NSX had a Dragon cassette player - really? Apart from having the coolest name, Nakamichi made amazing cassette players for home systems. I had a 582 - fascinating thing - such mechanical precision is rare/not needed these days.
Some really geeky features - you could fine tune every single blank cassette for optimum performance - all manually done with on-board oscillators.
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dootndo2
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My 08 Accord Coupe doesn't come with USB. I try to use the AUX jack. But the reality is that it is too difficult to use it while driving. I suppose if you were able to use the USB with power and dash integration, it may not be too bad.
I love just burning a MP3 CD and rolling with it.
dootndo2
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longhorn
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A77 wrote:
The NSX had a Dragon cassette player - really? Apart from having the coolest name, Nakamichi made amazing cassette players for home systems. I had a 582 - fascinating thing - such mechanical precision is rare/not needed these days.
Some really geeky features - you could fine tune every single blank cassette for optimum performance - all manually done with on-board oscillators.
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No,the NSX did not have the Nak. I believe Honda was using Alpine HUs with their Bose systems at the time.
The Nak was special though, I remember them in the first gen Lexus LS cars. It was simple and elegant,designed for stereo. It only had 7 speakers,but they were honest to goodness aftermarket speakers (four full rangers,two front tweets and a sub in the rear),and could easily hang with todays 15,16, or 17 cheap speakers,DSP'd to high heaven, OEM Brand name monstrostities.
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Grace141
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A77 wrote:
The NSX had a Dragon cassette player - really?
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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it did. Just meant the markets for the two, the Dragon and the NSX, would have overlapped. It was also my understanding the Honda/Acura decks were sourced from Alpine. One of the three options I added to my first Integra was the top level head unit (3000 series) which was actually very nice. And Acura's upgrade speaker kit was great for the price.
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Hondel
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I have the 6 changer in my 04 Accord and love it because there's a lot of selection and it's the best audio quality in the car. Crutchfield stays in business fixing bad audio woes and MP3 compression kills any dynamic range. Classical CDs use a full dynamic range (-96 to 0) which road noise kills. My
CDs are Stan Getz, Bach Favorites and The Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir, plus some WOW Worship CDs. XM is for country music when my wife drives and I like Escape because it relaxes me as I drive. It's all about choices and I like the 6 changer because it gives me more.
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TonyEX
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Airrodgers wrote:
For me having a CD player is like having a cassette player..
I haven't bought a CD in 20+ years...imo having the USB interface/mp3-wav player mean you don't really need a Cd player at all..
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I think the CD changer is a PIA. In our two CRVs, 08 and 11, we never used the cartridge... kept it in its plastic wrap.
Then the changer itself takes up a lot of precious room in the center console.
We use our iPods... and we'd use a USB Droid interface if it provided it.
BTW, I'm past 50 by now and I still have like 4000+ LPs so no, I don't want no 5.25" polycarbonate 700MB disc player in my car. Useless if you ask me.
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ipribadi
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mp3 music in a stock Accord is not an issue.
I dare you to do a blind A-B comparison and I'll bet you won't be able to tell the difference.
Unless you have an audiophile grade sound system in your car (bare minimum would be Acura's ELS system or equiv) no way is .mp3 (at 256kbps or higher) quality loss discernable.
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