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Some light is shed on the climate deniers...
An organized mis-information group.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/science/earth/in-heartland-institute-leak-a-plan-to-discredit-climate-teaching.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23
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P54
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Tragedy Unfolding in Europe - Is U.S. Media Trying to Ignore It?
140,000 trapped by snow – Death toll rises past 550
Temperatures were warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years
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ERROR above, corrected:
Tragedy Unfolding in Europe - Is U.S. Media Trying to Ignore It?
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.11445/pub_detail.asp
140,000 trapped by snow – Death toll rises past 550
http://iceagenow.info/2012/02/140000-trapped-snow-death-toll-rises-550/
Temperatures were warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years
http://iceagenow.info/2010/05/temperatures-were-warmer-than-today-for-most-of-the-past-10000-years/
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To the readers of Thumper's (aka P54) posts:
Beware, IMO a confused man of "faith" is at work here. The quailty of his posted references are obvious to the casual observer!!
Why are all of the Thumper's references tied-to or are funded by right wing political groups??
They are not from Universities?? They are not from legit government agencies??
Sorry Thumper, but your lack of a scientific background is showing! The past use of the word "hoax" is also telling. (Are you a "birther" too?) Hopefully your right to post trash won't do too much damage to innocent readers looking for facts.
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TonyEX
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Pjlk- wrote:
To the readers of Thumper's (aka P54) posts:
Beware, IMO a confused man of "faith" is at work here. The quailty of his posted references are obvious to the casual observer!!
Why are all of the Thumper's references tied-to or are funded by right wing political groups??
They are not from Universities?? They are not from legit government agencies??
Sorry Thumper, but your lack of a scientific background is showing! The past use of the word "hoax" is also telling. (Are you a "birther" too?) Hopefully your right to post trash won't do too much damage to innocent readers looking for facts.
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Al Gore is hardly a scientific guy... he's a would be Progressive Messiah...
Left, huh?
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TonyE,
Are you hallucinating?
When did I ever post anything from Al Gore? What are you thinking?
Please stop universalizing your views of how the "left", the "moderates" or the "green" people (in your mind) think. Also allow me to speak for myself.
I try to post reputable links, not crap from front groups for political philosophies. Give me credit for that. (BTW, that's not what Thumper does.)
pjlk
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P54
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Pjlk- wrote:
To the readers of Thumper's (aka P54) posts:
Beware, IMO a confused man of "faith" is at work here. The quailty of his posted references are obvious to the casual observer!!
Why are all of the Thumper's references tied-to or are funded by right wing political groups??
They are not from Universities?? They are not from legit government agencies??
Sorry Thumper, but your lack of a scientific background is showing! The past use of the word "hoax" is also telling. (Are you a "birther" too?) Hopefully your right to post trash won't do too much damage to innocent readers looking for facts.
pjlk
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No reference from scientists or Universities? You did not read this one then, I gave you this link in another post.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6959757.html
And do you not believe more than 1000 scientists but rather UN, Government an Al Gore? Could it be because you think those 1000 scientist belong to the right so they must be wrong while the other are left so they must be right??
http://climatedepot.com/a/9035/SPECIAL-REPORT-More-Than-1000-International-Scientists-Dissent-Over-ManMade-Global-Warming-Claims--Challenge-UN-IPCC--Gore
I also gave you this link, 16 scientists going against the global warming hoax, they come from universities worldwide.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
And this:
"Fritz Vahrenholt, one of the fathers of the green movement, no longer trusts the forecasts of the IPCC.”
Doubt came two years ago when he was an expert reviewer of an IPCC report on renewable energy. ‘I discovered numerous errors and asked myself if the other IPCC reports on climate were similarly sloppy.”
"I couldn’t take it any more. I had to write this book.” |
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/06/germany-in-skeptical-turmoil-on-both-climate-and-windfarms/
Now in regard to right or left:
There seems to be a concerted effort to demonize certain groups of people in this country. In the past, those that loved America, those that loved God, and those that loved freedom were considered to be role models. Now they are considered to be dangers.
The funny thing is that according to the report, terrorism in the United States has actually been declining over the past several decades. On page 13 of the new DHS report, you will find a chart that shows that the number of "terrorist attacks" in the United States has decreased steadily since 1970.
And on page 18 of the report, we find that "extreme left-wing" groups such as radical communists were responsible for 5 times more terror attacks in the U.S. between 1970 and 2008 than all "extreme right-wing" groups and religious groups combined.
The truth is that the vast majority of Americans that are patriotic, religious or that believe in conspiracy theories are very peaceful and only want the best for this country.
But the mainstream media is making it seem like there is an epidemic of "anti-government extremists" that needs to be dealt with |
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/according-to-a-new-dhs-report-if-you-love-individual-liberty-of-if-you-believe-in-conspiracy-theories-you-are-a-potential-terrorist
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P54,
I'm troubled. You posted this because you read it and agreed with it, right?
P54 wrote:
Tragedy Unfolding in Europe - Is U.S. Media Trying to Ignore It?
140,000 trapped by snow – Death toll rises past 550
Temperatures were warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years
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I thought you believed the Earthis 6,000 years old? So now, you believe the Earth is at least 20,000 years old?
Remember you told me this, before?
P54 wrote:
Erik the Red was the name of the Viking, he was my great, great, great however many times grandfather or close, as my family traces back to the Viking kings. It was more green land on Greenland when he lived. His son Leif Ericson discovered America 500 years before Columbus.
Regarding voices in your head I don't know what to say. Is it real or are you just talking to yourselves? If real it could be low self esteem and you could be criticizing yourself to much or self judgmental. In worst case it could be demonic. If demonic I would suggest you ask God for forgiveness for your sins and ask Jesus Christ to save you. His blood will cleanse you from your sins. Then I would ask Jesus Christ to take away the voices. If they persist, every time they come up I would ask Jesus Christ to take them away and to ask for His blood to protect your mind. If it is a result of self condemnation know that after accepting Jesus as you Savior and He lives in you there is no condemnation in Him. He loves you and there is no reason to think bad about yourself. Jesus loves CR-V9
Some links on earth age and similar stuff. From the other side.
http://www.creationtips.com/earthsage.html
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v23/n3/dating
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/hasnt-evolution-been-proven
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v20/n4/stumping-old-age-dogma
Need to go to bed now. Wish you a good day.
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And you've posted another link,
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6959757.html
We could have an ice age any time," Dr. Goldberg says, "Over the past one million years, we have experienced eight ice ages.
[ ... ]
A billion years ago, there was 80 percent CO2 in the atmosphere, At least, you believe the Earth is one billion years old?
Do you see why I'm troubling? If you hadn't told me the age of the Earth you believe in ..... You told me so with the links.
And I respected you because I thought you truly believe in your view even though I didn't agree with it.
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CR-V9
Don't get me wrong, I believe what I believe, however I'm not the author of the different articles I'm referring too. I answered Pjlks post where it was said I did not refer to scientist or universities etc. Regarding CO2 and global warming. So I referred to those links by universities and professors etc. regarding that issue (CO2).
The age of the earth is not the topic here, I've given you links on that before. I'm not trying to find scientist that agree on everything I believe, however to show that among scientist there are more scientist against the global warming agenda than for it. My link reference was only about what some scientist believe in regard to CO2, however way they come up with it is up to them. The interesting point though is that those billion of years old earth professors come up with the same conclusion as those who believe in about 6000 year history, in regard to global warming and CO2.
Hope you get what I intended, give pjlk references to scientists from universities that do not believe the global warming hoax. I did not say anything about age of earth as that was NOT the topic here. I cannot just delete part of the story to suit my belief on creation. The end result in regard to CO2 and global warming is the same.
Interesting that China is in the year 4700 or so, is it not? Someone in my family have traced our family back to 60 or so before Jesus Christ because in Europe they kept church records etc. The Bible tells you the family lineage from first man till Jesus, names and also the age of many of them.
Hope you are not troubled or confused, that was not my intention, thanks for your comments though, and for giving me a chance to clarify the matter.
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P54 wrote:
CR-V9
... Hope you get what I intended, give pjlk references to scientists from universities that do not believe the global warming hoax.
...Interesting that China is in the year 4700 or so, is it not? Someone in my family have traced our family back to 60 or so before Jesus Christ because in Europe they kept church records etc. The Bible tells you the family lineage from first man till Jesus, names and also the age of many of them. |
Hey Thumper,
There you go again! At worse, the climate change (aka global warming) is a disputed issue! It is not a "hoax"! Science doesn't work that way. I suggest you and your certitude of faith in your religious, political and "scientific" beliefs are a detriment to honest people looking for an honest understanding of the issues.
So stop using the word "hoax" and realize that if your religion and bible came from "God", we all need to wonder, why your "God" didn't give it to everyone? I think you need to acquire some sophistication. It is not as clear cut as you think!
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Thank you for your reply, P54.
Mind you that this is not about global warming. This is about me.
You told me the age of the Earth as part of your argument against what I think on AGW. You refuted what I said by siting the age of the Earth. If you hadn't told me I would haven't cared less. And I respected you because I thought you truly beleived in what you said.
Even though you didn't tell the same thing to Malcolm who believes the earth is billions of years old. I let it go back then beacuse nobody is perfect. Once, twice, 3 times ... You keep repeating it post after post.
Here is the thing. If I am discussing with someone. I'm discussing with what I think and what he thinks. If I said "I don't know what this guy is talking about but listen to him". And the othe guy said he doesn't know what the guy is talking about but listen to him. Then I said "Oh yeah, I don't agree with her but listen to her".
There is no discussion like this. Not even a chat.
To you these are lying then how can you believe them? How did you tell me then?
I felt like you were talking from both sides of mouth. I hope I'm mistaken.
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Pjlk- wrote:
P54 wrote:
CR-V9
... Hope you get what I intended, give pjlk references to scientists from universities that do not believe the global warming hoax.
...Interesting that China is in the year 4700 or so, is it not? Someone in my family have traced our family back to 60 or so before Jesus Christ because in Europe they kept church records etc. The Bible tells you the family lineage from first man till Jesus, names and also the age of many of them. |
Hey Thumper,
There you go again! At worse, the climate change (aka global warming) is a disputed issue! It is not a "hoax"! Science doesn't work that way. I suggest you and your certitude of faith in your religious, political and "scientific" beliefs are a detriment to honest people looking for an honest understanding of the issues.
So stop using the word "hoax" and realize that if your religion and bible came from "God", we all need to wonder, why your "God" didn't give it to everyone? I think you need to acquire some sophistication. It is not as clear cut as you think!
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Do you care to clarify about why you say God did not give the Bible to everyone? What do you mean?
I did not invent the use of the word "HOAX", other sources and scientists have used that, in Europe they now call it "THE BIG LIE". Maybe the reference to hoax has something to do with the proven falsified data that the IPCC used to present their "global warming" scenario.
Once some people believed the earth was flat. We know it is round. We know glaciers covered Scandinavia. It is gone now. Obviously a warming occurred for it to melt. Did man made CO2 cause that ? Obviously NOT.
So do you think 50 some scientists working for IPCC knows more or are more honest than more than 1000 scientist not agreeing with them?
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CR-V9 wrote:
Thank you for your reply, P54.
Mind you that this is not about global warming. This is about me.
You told me the age of the Earth as part of your argument against what I think on AGW. You refuted what I said by siting the age of the Earth. If you hadn't told me I would haven't cared less. And I respected you because I thought you truly beleived in what you said.
Even though you didn't tell the same thing to Malcolm who believes the earth is billions of years old. I let it go back then beacuse nobody is perfect. Once, twice, 3 times ... You keep repeating it post after post.
Here is the thing. If I am discussing with someone. I'm discussing with what I think and what he thinks. If I said "I don't know what this guy is talking about but listen to him". And the othe guy said he doesn't know what the guy is talking about but listen to him. Then I said "Oh yeah, I don't agree with her but listen to her".
There is no discussion like this. Not even a chat.
To you these are lying then how can you believe them? How did you tell me then?
I felt like you were talking from both sides of mouth. I hope I'm mistaken.
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I'm not sure I get what you try to explain to me.
I believe in creation. Creationists do not believe in man made climate change or global warming because of man made CO2.
Pjlk do not believe in creation or creation scientists. He accused me for not bringing references to scientists or universities and that I used links from right wing media.
My response to him then was above links where I referred to scientists that worked in universities. They came to same conclusion as the creationist scientists even though they believed in billion of years of earth age. And this in regard to global warming and CO2 which is what we discussed here.
If you vote for a President you vote for one who is closest to your own values, you will never find one that agrees to everything you believe in. Just because you voted for one President because of shared values do not mean you support everything he stands for. Are you therefor double minded?
Are you saying I did not share with Malcolm about creation? Or what do you mean? My posts to you can be read by him too, can't they?
The issue was never about the age of the earth, however CO2 and global warming. If I refer to a link where scientists believe in billions of years earth age, but do not believe in man made global warming that happens to be the same conclusion as creation scientists.
Global warming scientist believe in billions of years old earth too. Those scientists that disagree with man made global warming happens to believe in same earth age, but come to different results. That is why I used the links above as in Pjlks eyes a creation scientist is not credible. If a university scientist believe in billions of years earth age that will be credible in the eyes of Pjlk so why should he discredit their findings in regard to CO2 and man made global warming?
Unfortunately you got caught in the crossfire. If there is something I have neglected or overseen as to respond to some of your posts or inquiries I'm sorry to say I am not aware of that, maybe you will point that out to me.
Let me know if I need to clarify better.
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Pjlk
Let the light shine................and what do you see now?
Fakegate Illustrates Global Warming Alarmists' Deceit and Desperation
There never was a “leaker” in the shameful Fakegate scandal. In the end, there was only a forger, a fraudster and a thief. Alarmist scientist Peter Gleick has admitted that the latter two were one and the same person – himself. I suspect we will soon learn the identity of the forger, as well.
Pjlk, is it you?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/02/22/fakegate-illustrates-global-warming-alarmists-deceit-and-desperation/
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Hey Thumper,
Let's let the dust settle before we jump to conclusions, jump off a bridge or start shooting!
I know you can do that. Right?
The story continues... Even source verification. I'm sure if retractions are needed, they will be printed. That's what ethical journalist do! :)
A link to something published in today's (February, 25 2012) USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/2012-02-25/think-tank-leaks/53235836/1
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Pjlk, how do we know when the dust settles so we can decide which bridge to jump from?
Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/
Can we trust NASA:
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/07/27/new-nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-in-global-warming-alarmism/
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Pjlk-
No, mate, much light is shed on the climate alarmists fabricating unfounded climate alarm.
Gleick confesses: The leak was by a prominent 'lefty'. Apparently, when Gleick realised he didn't have anything newsworthy he fabricated the key part of his 'leak'.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/20/breaking-gleick-confesses/#more-57113
http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/48584.html
http://sppiblog.org/news/desmog-blogs-bogus-expose-of-the-heartland-institute#more-7280
http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/02/22/from-climategate-to-fakegate/
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/logic-gate-the-smog-blog-exposes-irrational-rage-innumeracy-and-heartlands-efficient-success/
I'm starting to think that gun control may be beneficial. To stop people like you repeatedly shooting yourself.
Malcolm
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