DCR
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Better be...
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JeffX
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the coupe 6MT will still carry on.
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99SI
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Where in the hell is the 6MT V6 sedan? Guess I will have to pony up for a new 328i if this doesn't come out.
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DCR
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Jeff wrote:
the coupe 6MT will still carry on.
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Interesting. Now, I hope it passes the looks test. I mostly liked the way my 2009 Accord 6MT looked, save the side profile overhang.
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s2ktaxi
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LSD?
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DCR
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Pray.
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HONDA AFVM
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My understanding the coupe is supposed to be much sportier....
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jero
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cars.com search for the entire US...
17,800 new Accords
2,300 coupes
214 V6 6MT (and over half of those are black)
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silvervtec96
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
My understanding the coupe is supposed to be much sportier....
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If it has a LSD then it could be a replacement for my CLS... but that much power to one wheel is never good...
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Draph94
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My theory is Honda believes Honda fans willing to pony up for a V6 Accord Sedan 6MT will be willing to pony up a little more for a TL SH-AWD 6MT built on the same platform architecture.
If reliability doesn't concern you, go with the 328. In 2007 (when there was an Accord V6 sedan 6MT available), I opted for a 335 lease. Loved the way it drove. Planned to buy it at the end of the lease, but it lost enough oil and coolant during regular driving that I turned it in and purchased a TL 6MT in 2010, beak and all...For the price of a decently equipped 328, you'd be able to afford a TL 6MT.
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shingles
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I don't think that's the direct theory. I think the reality is, people looking for an Accord Sedan is NOT looking for a 6MT. And come on, if you have the financial means to look at a 3 series, then IN THEORY, they would cross shop the Acura offerings.... if they didn't look so unappealing...
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First of all, I hope they address the disappointing fuel economy... currently 17/26... what is that, Honda? That's what the V8 mustang gets, with 412 horsepower. The 3.0 6MT was much better in this regard, and nearly as quick.
I've also never liked the biggish 38 foot turning diameter (curb to curb). My 2004 accord V6 auto has a 35 foot turning diameter which is much better. I'm still puzzled about why the 17 inch wheels necessitated the larger turning diameter... in 2006 for the MMC, all the accord v6 gained 17 inch wheels and the 38 foot turning diameter. it really makes it feel like a larger car, and makes it tougher to park and make U-turns on tight city street intersections.
I'd certainly welcome less weight (and an LSD but i doubt it), which could help with the fuel economy and handling. The 7th generation Accord coupe was a nice size, and had a nicer interior design imo. I passed on the 8th gen coupe because of the interior design (too many buttons, looked too cluttered) even though the exterior was beautiful to my eyes.
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owequitit
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Draph94 wrote:
My theory is Honda believes Honda fans willing to pony up for a V6 Accord Sedan 6MT will be willing to pony up a little more for a TL SH-AWD 6MT built on the same platform architecture.
If reliability doesn't concern you, go with the 328. In 2007 (when there was an Accord V6 sedan 6MT available), I opted for a 335 lease. Loved the way it drove. Planned to buy it at the end of the lease, but it lost enough oil and coolant during regular driving that I turned it in and purchased a TL 6MT in 2010, beak and all...For the price of a decently equipped 328, you'd be able to afford a TL 6MT.
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The TL SH-AWD 6MT is a $43K car when fully equipped. The V6 6 speed Accord was always a no cost option, which means with nav it would be right around $30-31K. That isn't a little difference, that is a chasm. Not to say that the TL isn't a nice car, but that the Accord isn't even in the same ballpark price wise and is likely to appeal to those who don't like the TL's styling, price, AWD, MPG etc, so I would wager they wouldn't be cross shopped all that much. It was a little different with the last gens because they were so similar in performance, quality and feature content, as well as both being FWD only.
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DCR
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Jeff wrote:
the coupe 6MT will still carry on.
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...and I must have missed it earlier. I see it up there in what you originally wrote now.
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ezshift5
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.....really informative/positive thread....conspicuous in a lack of dumb-ass remarks too.
Returning to Gen7 size, continuation of the 6M coupe (in spite low production numbers), addressing fuel economy (and including evidence - corporate-wise - of that vital element needed almost everywhere these days.....SA*): all seem very positive indeed.
best, ez
*situational awareness
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Grace141
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owequitit wrote:
Draph94 wrote:
My theory is Honda believes Honda fans willing to pony up for a V6 Accord Sedan 6MT will be willing to pony up a little more for a TL SH-AWD 6MT built on the same platform architecture.
If reliability doesn't concern you, go with the 328. In 2007 (when there was an Accord V6 sedan 6MT available), I opted for a 335 lease. Loved the way it drove. Planned to buy it at the end of the lease, but it lost enough oil and coolant during regular driving that I turned it in and purchased a TL 6MT in 2010, beak and all...For the price of a decently equipped 328, you'd be able to afford a TL 6MT.
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The TL SH-AWD 6MT is a $43K car when fully equipped. The V6 6 speed Accord was always a no cost option, which means with nav it would be right around $30-31K. That isn't a little difference, that is a chasm. Not to say that the TL isn't a nice car, but that the Accord isn't even in the same ballpark price wise and is likely to appeal to those who don't like the TL's styling, price, AWD, MPG etc, so I would wager they wouldn't be cross shopped all that much. It was a little different with the last gens because they were so similar in performance, quality and feature content, as well as both being FWD only.
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I'll go a step further by saying I just don't see enough demand for the Accord V6/6MT sedan to return to the line. I do know of a fellow in my office still driving his but I also know of three guys driving manual shift 3-series sedans. They are tolerant of my Honda talk because of the engineering background but I know they wouldn't consider any Accord and I doubt they would trade their cars for a TL. One did buy a new MDX for his wife recently.
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George Knighton
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owequitit wrote:
Draph94 wrote:
My theory is Honda believes Honda fans willing to pony up for a V6 Accord Sedan 6MT will be willing to pony up a little more for a TL SH-AWD 6MT built on the same platform architecture.
If reliability doesn't concern you, go with the 328. In 2007 (when there was an Accord V6 sedan 6MT available), I opted for a 335 lease. Loved the way it drove. Planned to buy it at the end of the lease, but it lost enough oil and coolant during regular driving that I turned it in and purchased a TL 6MT in 2010, beak and all...For the price of a decently equipped 328, you'd be able to afford a TL 6MT.
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The TL SH-AWD 6MT is a $43K car when fully equipped. The V6 6 speed Accord was always a no cost option, which means with nav it would be right around $30-31K. That isn't a little difference, that is a chasm. Not to say that the TL isn't a nice car, but that the Accord isn't even in the same ballpark price wise and is likely to appeal to those who don't like the TL's styling, price, AWD, MPG etc, so I would wager they wouldn't be cross shopped all that much. It was a little different with the last gens because they were so similar in performance, quality and feature content, as well as both being FWD only.
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There are probably a few Honda aficionado who would cross shop between the Accord and TL.
My everyday car is a 2010 TL 6-6 SH-AWD. 45,000 miles now, bought in December 2009, and not a single regret. Love it.
However...I have to say that if this proposed shorter wheelbase Accord 6-6 had been available *and* if it came with a Honda OEM Torsen axle, I might very well have bought that little coupe instead of the TL sedan.
I think if they build a little Accord Coupe 6-6 with LSD, enthusiasts would hop right on it.
But I have to cut Honda break.
We said the same thing about the Accord 6-6 Sedan. They built that for us, and sold very, very few of them.
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s2ktaxi
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Honda needs to consider what customers want in terms of a whole package. Giving enthusiasts a 6MT in a front heavy FWD car with no LSD (esp. considering the torque of the 3+ liter V6) and not tuning the suspension any better than the regular auto-equipped versions does not make a compelling option for those looking for a 6MT.
Even the TL 6MT with SH-AWD, while interesting technically to me at first, was way below average in the looks department and does feel heavy.
A TSX-sized 6MT with a 8k rpm capable engine with about 220-250 hp with LSD is hopefully, what Honda thinks about in the future. That said, I think i just described a FWD 328 or A4 with sport packages :)
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99SI
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Well I did put my money where my mouth was back in 2006 and bought a 6mt sedan and love it. Problem is I will want to replace in the next 12 mos and Honda has nothing comparable. The tl would be nice if I did not have to buy the 43k model just to get a 6mt. I would settle for a base with 18" wheels and a tighter suspension.
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Draph94
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The poster who stated he'd get a 328 if there were no Accord V6 sedan and me, who ditched a 335 6MT for a TL must be two odd ducks, then, who have crossed from Honda to BMW and back (in my case).
Your two colleagues must put higher importance on image and Teutonics than value. While I thought the switch to a TL was a compromise in return for lower ownership costs, I've grown to prefer the driving dynamic of SH-AWD much better than the high torque, open rear diff, 335 with Sport package. It was impressive when you could put the power to the ground in perfect traction conditions, but in reality, the traction control light was either on constantly (killing power), or you'd be lighting up one rear tire if you used DSC mode. My TL is quicker out of corners and off the line in the traffic light drags in morning rush hour on dry or damp roads than the BMW in the real world (vs. the test track), IMHO.
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sennaFAN
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Draph94 you are spot on there. I recently had, and got rid of very quickly, a BMW 535d M Sport. Horrible hard ride and with tyres anything other than brand new the damned TC would kick in if the road was mildly moist, which in the UK is most of the time.
I had a 2007 Legend which was far and away more comfortable and was way way more stable when exiting a bend in damp conditions. You could get the power down without thinking subconciously that the back end may or could snap out or that your eyes were waiting to see that hellish yellow light illuminate for the millionth time.
I really wish road tests were conducted on cars with say 10k miles on them not factory fresh.
Having said that anything over 200 hp on a front drive car deserves and need LSD and recalibrated suspension to cope.
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ezshift5 wrote:
.....really informative/positive thread....conspicuous in a lack of dumb-ass remarks too.
Returning to Gen7 size, continuation of the 6M coupe (in spite low production numbers), addressing fuel economy (and including evidence - corporate-wise - of that vital element needed almost everywhere these days.....SA*): all seem very positive indeed.
best, ez
*situational awareness
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Yes...I never bit on the 8th gen AV6 6MT because of the size. My 7th gen already has enough power to scorch the front tires in 1st and 2nd, why would I want something even larger with more torque and still no LSD? Not worth sacrificing the MPG's either, I regularly get low 30's highway and mid 20's mixed.
Plus the Buick dashboard with the ginormous buttons....please please go back to something simple and modern. I still prefer the 7th gen Accord to the 8th gen, inside and out. I guess that's why mine just turned 200k miles.
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starbai
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99SI wrote:
Where in the hell is the 6MT V6 sedan? Guess I will have to pony up for a new 328i if this doesn't come out.
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wouldn't hold my breath
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starbai
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DCR wrote:
Jeff wrote:
the coupe 6MT will still carry on.
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Interesting. Now, I hope it passes the looks test. I mostly liked the way my 2009 Accord 6MT looked, save the side profile overhang.
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Absolutely... then the MMC on the coupe turned it into the second coming of the Pontiac G6 (in the rear)
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99SI
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starbai wrote:
99SI wrote:
Where in the hell is the 6MT V6 sedan? Guess I will have to pony up for a new 328i if this doesn't come out.
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wouldn't hold my breath
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Guess I can exhale now as it is coming!!!!
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