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I think NOW is the time to take them, now is the time for Japan, China, South Korea and America in a joint effort to take the country down, go in and take down, kill every government and Military leader. Set up with South Korea to form a temporary government and turn the country into one country.........
I can't imagine the beaten down people of North Korea would resist freedom?????but I am not from that area or know much of the culture....... Are they so beaten that freedom or a South Koren economy would shock them and they couldn't live that kind of life???
How about you from that area......danielgr, WongKN.........
If something isn't done, it will continue as it is or worse for the nest 50 years..........Can the world really afford this KID to lead this country? They already shot off a missile.......
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Spoken like a true neocon. Invade, kill their leader, install pro-west government. Be the police of the world....astonishing
Japan has their own worries....like a nuclear meltdown of epic proportions the world has never seen before...
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jsell wrote:
Spoken like a true neocon. Invade, kill their leader, install pro-west government. Be the police of the world....astonishing
Japan has their own worries....like a nuclear meltdown of epic proportions the world has never seen before...
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Geeezzzz! I am not a "neocon" I am concerned for the well being of Japan and South Korea..........since when is that a "neocon" action.
1st of all there are NO "LEADERS" in North Korea, just killers and REAL "neocon".........It's time the people are freed of their abuse..........the SON has NO MILITARY experience, he is a 4 star General in the Koren Military, a 4 star General with NO EXPERIENCE.........I am glad you feel safer under him then my idea........my idea of a possible freedom for all of Korea......Lets just let them suffer for another 50 years, lets just let them shoot weapons over at Japan and threat South Korea for another 50 years..........Have it your way.......
Let some crazy kid run the country who was brain washed by his KILLER of a father.......Yeah, that's right......
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Invade, kill their leader, install pro-west government. Be the police of the world.... This I agree with you.
I hope my prediction comes true somewhat in next year or two or three.
Son is just too young to rule his country. He didn't have enough time to establish his power through his personal connections. So it's up to his father's inner surrogates to decide which direction they're going.
His father's royalists, of course, want to keep it going the same because the're in positionalready. But I'd guess those are old or getting really old. So it would be up to younger ones who don't really have power yet, and have seen their people are starving.
And they have no friend. China has gone capitalist long time ago and doing more business deals with the South Korea. The north Korean people are starving. The South really wants to help them, people. They are literaly they're relatives. So I think all the elements to wellcome the North to the South to re-unite are there.
But there are still some paranoid military heads who are afraid of eminent attacks from the South or Japa or the US. taking this opportunite time. As long as they have their fingers on the military trigger it would be war.
I hope they will come out to re-unite North and South peacefully, soon.
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As long as they have their fingers on the military trigger it would be war.
I meant it would be unneccessary war if the south or Japan or the US gave them some excuse now. Military is still in place to go to war if provoked now.
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CR-V9 wrote:
As long as they have their fingers on the military trigger it would be war.
I meant it would be unneccessary war if the south or Japan or the US gave them some excuse now. Military is still in place to go to war if provoked now.
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Nobody will sit down to talks, open the boarders for talks and surrender the north to the south for one united country..........It just won't happen. All those in power in the north have death under their hands and they will not face any UN Trials or anything. There is business as usual or take the country.........Our job would be an assist, not a take over. No western government would be placed, it would be an extension of South Korea, just like East and West Germany.........
West and East Germany was SHEER luck, we instilled FEAR, Peace through Strength........Our country isn't respected, feared or looked upon like that any more, PLUS, we don't have Leaders such as Margret Thacher, Pope John Paul who were INSTRUMENTAL behind the scenes along with REAGAN up front as the POWER HOUSE......and Russia was willing to listen.....their people were drooling for freedom and to have that Cold War weight lifted off their back........
If this can be done with talks, I am all for it, but who will bring those talks to light, who will set the rules, who will make sure it all works, and if they tell us to fuck off.......then what is our next move...........??????
I believe nobody will ask because they already know what the answer is and they don't want to publicly deal with the answer......
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"All those in power in the North have death under their hands and they will not face any UN trials or anything." The United States has far more death under their hands than North Korea. Our government brings ONLY death (of course, they call it 'democracy'). Our past 4 presidents could easily be brought to trial at the Hague on war crimes and crimes against humanity. But they were chosen, not by voters, but by the power elite. The ones who don't bring charges on their own people.
"Our job would be an assist, not a take over." (see Egypt, Tunisia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya...and soon to be Syria and Iran)
you just keep believing that...
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CR-V9
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If this can be done with talks, I am all for it, but who will bring those talks to light, who will set the rules, who will make sure it all works, and if they tell us to fuck off.......then what is our next move...........??????
?????? I hope you're not still saying the US should invade. Who's gonna pay for it?
Do you think Japan would go along with it? Her constitution prevents to send her troops or invade other country.
Do you think China would go along with?
Do you think South Korea would go along with it? They are the same people. They are literary their relatives.
Did anybody invade Eastern Germany? How did it happen?
Of course it has to happen from within. They are bankrupt. I hope they, newer generations would see it And now is the time. I think we have to let it happen to see how they will work it out.
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HONDA AFVM
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jsell wrote:
"All those in power in the North have death under their hands and they will not face any UN trials or anything." The United States has far more death under their hands than North Korea. Our government brings ONLY death (of course, they call it 'democracy'). Our past 4 presidents could easily be brought to trial at the Hague on war crimes and crimes against humanity. But they were chosen, not by voters, but by the power elite. The ones who don't bring charges on their own people.
"Our job would be an assist, not a take over." (see Egypt, Tunisia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya...and soon to be Syria and Iran)
you just keep believing that...
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WOW!............I just can't reply to that. I am a Veteran of this country..........I am lost for words........You are actually justifying North Korea's deaths over so called ours.........
Has any of our Presidents EVER starved, killed, raped, slaughtered families just because they could in America, to his own people, and have we done it to other people with JUST cause.........have innocent people been killed because of our wars we waged, ABSOLUTELY.........But what you have said is just hog wash........
jsell.............
America doesn't kill it's own people, or go and kill people of other lands with out a justified threat.
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HONDA AFVM
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CR-V9 wrote:
If this can be done with talks, I am all for it, but who will bring those talks to light, who will set the rules, who will make sure it all works, and if they tell us to fuck off.......then what is our next move...........??????
?????? I hope you're not still saying the US should invade. Who's gonna pay for it?
Do you think Japan would go along with it? Her constitution prevents to send her troops or invade other country.
Do you think China would go along with?
Do you think South Korea would go along with it? They are the same people. They are literary their relatives.
Did anybody invade Eastern Germany? How did it happen?
Of course it has to happen from within. They are bankrupt. I hope they, newer generations would see it And now is the time. I think we have to let it happen to see how they will work it out.
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How can it work from with in the North when you have a 30 year old CHILD in charge with his fathers GOON SQUAD still running the show.........HE will have to prove him self, there for making a strike on Japan, the south or some other country........You mean to tell me that if they shoot a Missile at Japan Japan will not respond?????????
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jsell
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America doesn't kill it's own people (see: Operation Northwoods, Operation Gladio, 9/11, Oklahoma City....it's called False Flag) or kill people of other lands without a justified threat (Iraq was started without a justified threat, invasion of Afghanistan was without a justified threat....remember, the "hi-jackers" were Saudis).
And I never justified North Korea's actions, not once. But it is none of our damn business what happens in that country. We are $15,000,000,000,000 in the hole...and counting. We have record homelessness, record receipients of food stamps and other government assistance, record foreclosures, we have illegally waged war across the Middle East....and yes, we have slaughtered millions of peoples in far away lands that have done no harm to us or affected our way of lives....for what?
It's unfortunate that most people look at what's happening and thinks that since it's over there, no harm to us....Well rest assured, the train is coming our way...
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How can it work from with in the North when you have a 30 year old CHILD in charge with his fathers GOON SQUAD still running the show.........HE will have to prove him self, there for making a strike on Japan, the south or some other country........You mean to tell me that if they shoot a Missile at Japan Japan will not respond????????? Why they're gonna attack Japan or the South? He may try some military skirmish with Japan or the South to prove he is strong.. But they don't have it to fight all out war against anybody except their nukes(one or two).
My argument is this. As you said the Son is too young to be the one, yet. His father's goon squad are fighting for their own survivals.
I think, I hope that there are not power stragles going on between the Son and other possible dictators. But rather, I think, I hope they're between the unifiers and the son. Because they don't have any other choice but to unify with the South for their people to survive.
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HONDA AFVM
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CR-V9 wrote:
How can it work from with in the North when you have a 30 year old CHILD in charge with his fathers GOON SQUAD still running the show.........HE will have to prove him self, there for making a strike on Japan, the south or some other country........You mean to tell me that if they shoot a Missile at Japan Japan will not respond????????? Why they're gonna attack Japan or the South? He may try some military skirmish with Japan or the South to prove he is strong.. But they don't have it to fight all out war against anybody except their nukes(one or two).
My argument is this. As you said the Son is too young to be the one, yet. His father's goon squad are fighting for their own survivals.
I think, I hope that there are not power stragles going on between the Son and other possible dictators. But rather, I think, I hope they're between the unifiers and the son. Because they don't have any other choice but to unify with the South for their people to survive.
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You REALLY think they want to unify with the South,,,,,,,???? That would be nice, GREAT, but not reality. Either the Son will Show he is Meaner then his dad and launch attacks or the Powers that be will Kill him if he tries to unify and it will look like he got killed in some sort of exercise......
There is only one other way, if the people rise up against the government and Military, but that will be a slaughter.......we will HAVE TO INTERVENE THEN...........
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HONDA AFVM
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jsell wrote:
America doesn't kill it's own people (see: Operation Northwoods, Operation Gladio, 9/11, Oklahoma City....it's called False Flag) or kill people of other lands without a justified threat (Iraq was started without a justified threat, invasion of Afghanistan was without a justified threat....remember, the "hi-jackers" were Saudis).
And I never justified North Korea's actions, not once. But it is none of our damn business what happens in that country. We are $15,000,000,000,000 in the hole...and counting. We have record homelessness, record receipients of food stamps and other government assistance, record foreclosures, we have illegally waged war across the Middle East....and yes, we have slaughtered millions of peoples in far away lands that have done no harm to us or affected our way of lives....for what?
It's unfortunate that most people look at what's happening and thinks that since it's over there, no harm to us....Well rest assured, the train is coming our way...
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I am with you on the debt, and the Train is coming our way, but that is a POLICY issue, that has nothing to do with THIS........this would cost us nothing in the long run......The rest of your claims about Operation Northwoods, Operation Gladio, 9/11, Oklahoma City..........all Bull Shit.......
The 19 that flew in planes were Saudis, true, but they were FUNDED and trained by Afgan groups and Iraq was Justified because he was shooting at UN planes and ALL the intel said he had WMD's, even Bill Clinton AND ALGORE said to Bush when he took office that Saddam was the most dangerous man alive.....ALGORE went around in 2002 and did speeches about it.......
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There is only one other way, if the people rise up against the government and Military, but that will be a slaughter....... That won't happen. People are literatry starving, some are atarving to death. If it happens it will be within their government and their military, not laypeople. If it happens I don't know what will happen to the son.
Other thing is that countries around them will support it, will help them.
Put your gun back in your holster.
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........this would cost us nothing in the long run...... What the heck does that mean? There is no free lunch, right? Are you gonna issue more US tresuaries to finance? And hope China to buy them?
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HONDA AFVM
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CR-V9 wrote:
There is only one other way, if the people rise up against the government and Military, but that will be a slaughter....... That won't happen. People are literatry starving, some are atarving to death. If it happens it will be within their government and their military, not laypeople. If it happens I don't know what will happen to the son.
Other thing is that countries around them will support it, will help them.
Put your gun back in your holster.
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That is what I am saying, Japan, China, South Korea......Isn't that what I said, OK, I didn't say that exactly, but that for sure would be a better choice, but there is no way it would get done with out us being involved.........And do you see their Military wanting to end the starvation of their people?????
It would be a a few hundred billion or so, in the long run from what the North is costing us per year right now, it would end up being a savings........we could remove troops from the South and Japan and the savings there would make up for any cost a shoprt undertaking of taking out the communist government.
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Like I said Honda, spoken like a true neo con..
you really need a history lesson..
Oh, and dont forget Waco and Ruby Ridge...
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HONDA AFVM
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jsell wrote:
Like I said Honda, spoken like a true neo con..
you really need a history lesson..
Oh, and dont forget Waco and Ruby Ridge...
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I give up, I surrender!!!!!!
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And therein lies your problem, along with a lot of people. The hard questions are being answered. Yet peoples like yourself fail to pay attention to the answers. You would rather believe what you're told to believe. And THAT is the real reason this country will meet its demise...
Hell, this country won't even make it 300 years...
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HONDA AFVM
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jsell wrote:
And therein lies your problem, along with a lot of people. The hard questions are being answered. Yet peoples like yourself fail to pay attention to the answers. You would rather believe what you're told to believe. And THAT is the real reason this country will meet its demise...
Hell, this country won't even make it 300 years...
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What the hell are you talking about????? Are you even from this planet?
"The hard questions are being answered. Yet peoples like yourself fail to pay attention to the answers. You would rather believe what you're told to believe."
What questions, what answers......I don't believe MUCH of what I am told.......I posted this to GET answers from people in the area, maybe people who live in SK.......I might have been harsh in saying Kill everyone in the Government and Military, but I guess that is all that THEY know........FORCE.........WE ALWAYS try to negotiate before we go in and attack.......Iraq had PLENTY of time to drop it all, IRAN has PLENTY of Fore warning. If there is a War, it will be because THEY didn't obey the rules, THEY are the ones who promote HATE, KILLING and Terror, NOT US and same goes for North Korea.......
You are a bit of an extremest........so I don't expect real answers from you with all do respect. I would like to hear from those who live in South Korea and Japan who North Korea threatens every day and what they would like to see happen........
Sorry jsell, I can't pay much mind to anyone who thinks our government was involved in 9/11, Oklahoma City and what ever else, now Ruby Ridge and Waco, I will agree with you on that, that was handled VERY poorly....... Mismanaged and covered by the media very suspiciously.......
But sometimes you are WAY out of it........as you think I am.....
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Killing people does not create peace.
Violence does not create peace.
War does not create peace.
How does bullying fix bullying? It doesn't. Bullying entrenches bullying.
Using the stick is successful only until someone brings a bigger stick.
America cannot afford another war. Economically. Morally. International respect.
Peace creates peace.
Malcolm
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.........and you can provide your clever/stylish wording only because those who lead in days prior stepped up to the plate.
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There is no oil in the region.
There is no oil in North Korea.
North Korea is not theocracy, though the son was born in the heaven.
North Korea doesn't influence any country in the region. No Iman to issue a fatwa. No jihad.
There is no Communist China or Soviet Union. As I said China's gone capitalist long ago, doing more business with the South.
There in no geopolitical complications as far as North Korea is concerned. It's only a balance of power between China and the US. Only if you want to use North Korea to show who has more influence in the region, but invading them wouldn't be a good one.
North Korea stands alone and her people are starving.
Even if the son establishes his position as the great one the unification talk will continue and will happen. But there are all the element for them to re-unite now than ever. I hope it will happen soon. I think it will happen soon than we think.
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I used to share your thoughts ezshift5.
I still appreciate and applaud the valour and sacrifice of so many brave people who fought war. On both sides.
My old belief was that the 'good guys' (that's us) needed to go into battle to protect the world. To protect freedom.
Then started wondering about war. And developing greater understanding of freedom.
What would the world have looked like had wars not been fought? My conclusion: freer, more peaceful and people taking greater responsibility.
In the last two years I've learned about funding of the so-called 'great' wars of the twentieth century. That was one clincher.
Having fought 'battles' in corporate life I learned that fighting is not the way. There is a stronger, more powerful way.
Have you considered the alternatives?
Malcolm
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HONDA AFVM
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CR-V9 wrote:
There is no oil in the region.
There is no oil in North Korea.
North Korea is not theocracy, though the son was born in the heaven.
North Korea doesn't influence any country in the region. No Iman to issue a fatwa. No jihad.
There is no Communist China or Soviet Union. As I said China's gone capitalist long ago, doing more business with the South.
There in no geopolitical complications as far as North Korea is concerned. It's only a balance of power between China and the US. Only if you want to use North Korea to show who has more influence in the region, but invading them wouldn't be a good one.
North Korea stands alone and her people are starving.
Even if the son establishes his position as the great one the unification talk will continue and will happen. But there are all the element for them to re-unite now than ever. I hope it will happen soon. I think it will happen soon than we think.
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LOOK...........If he reaches out and extends a hand to the South, then I EAT MY WORDS.............I apologize ........I do not want another war, I hate war.........but I just don't see another way to free those people.........I WANT the Northern people FREE.............Not starving and suffering..........
If this kid has a heart and soul (no pun intended) then God Bless him.......He will be the man of the Century.......but do you REALLY think he will call Obama, Russia, China, South Korea and Japan and say, "Lets Talk, I am feeling good today"..REALLY? If the Leaders of his father even have a HINT he is thinking anything like that, they are watching him like a hawk.
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HONDA AFVM
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MalcolmR wrote:
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Killing people does not create peace.
Violence does not create peace.
War does not create peace.
How does bullying fix bullying? It doesn't. Bullying entrenches bullying.
Using the stick is successful only until someone brings a bigger stick.
America cannot afford another war. Economically. Morally. International respect.
Peace creates peace.
Malcolm
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Malcolm,
Our countries are ALWAYS on the 1st side of peace.......but most of the time, 70 years ago with Japan & Hitler, Islam Extremest of today..........If the world was at peace, we would be all at home eating pie and drinking milk...........playing with our kids and working.........but that is not real. As I type this, there are MILLIONS of people figuring out how to bring down America AND your country......because WE support Freedom, equality, Gay rights, stand up for woman..........allow people to CHOOSE........THAT is what they do not like.
As long as we stay that way, they will continue to want to kill us.......I give you IRAN.........
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Yeah, Iran wants to kill us because of our freedoms.....never mind that we have been in their business since the early 1900's that resulted in the 1953 overthrow of their DEMOCRATICALLY elected President. But they don't like us for our freedoms??
like I said previously, you really need a history lesson.
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Has any of our Presidents EVER starved, killed, raped, slaughtered families just because they could in America, to his own people, and have we done it to other people with JUST cause.........
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There are tens of thousands of Native Americans that would like to give you a History lesson. What I saw during my time in Pine Ridge was as bad as anything I saw in any third world nation I have visited.
Running fascists out of town sounds great and all, but it is still fascist.
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MalcolmR
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HONDA AFVM thank you for your comment.
Just a few years ago I shared your thoughts.
Then I learned about the realities of American foreign policy and what drives it. It's not Americans.
I've lived in America. Travelled through all 50 states. Love Americans and your beautiful countryside. Married to a beautiful American. Our kids are dual citizens: they're Americans and Australians.
In recent years I've come to despise your 'government'—of both parties, Democrats and GOP.
(There's no fundamental difference).
jsell is aware of just how much damage American interference has done in so many nations around the world.
Fortunately, I do not hate America because I know it's not Americans doing the damage. It is the forces driving American policy.
Genuine, honest American politicians like Ron Paul have been saying this openly for years.
If he were to become President you may start to realise how much damage the Republicans and Democrats have done to the world, to your nation and to Americans.
Until then I invite you to discover for yourself what has been happening to your beautiful nation at the hands of your 'government'. You may then understand why American policy is detested in many nations around the world.
By the way, in case it need be said, I am not a supporter of North Korea. Nor of any nation that wants to inflict despotism on its people and/or other nations.
I have simply realised at last that war creates more war. The way to peace is by being peaceful. It takes greater strength and creates real strength.
War is the easy way out. And does not being peace.
The way to peace is to return to fundamentals of what creates peace:
- rule of law **
- free exchange **
- secure property rights *
- honest money **
- small government (and small taxes) **
** means this does not exist in America
* means I think this does not exist in America yet have not researched it sufficiently to argue it. Some Americans are fighting to restore secure private property rights so presumably it does not exist.
Recently, America's President gave an order to execute an American citizen using a drone aircraft—without trial. The man was executed.
Execution without trial happened in America.
A way of ensuring peace is to ensure first that government has to ask the people for permission to go to war. And permission to levy the funds to fight a war.
Americans have unconsciously lost the control over their government. That is why all five items listed above are no longer in existence in the USA.
Americans are tools of the war machine. Your 'government' no longer serves you. You are slaves to it.
A little hint to a fundamental that I only learned recently as it applies to government: if you remove responsibility from a 16 year-old kid, give him access to endless funds without accountability and allow him to spend what he wants without accountability, do you think he will develop responsibility? No way.
Yet that is exactly what the American people have allowed their government to do. Have a look at the origins of your income tax system and the source of government funds. American government is loose without financial accountability and at the expense of Americans, to the huge detriment of Americans.
War traps people in debt. Especially under the privately owned central bank such as America's. Debt is the goal.
You rightly often discuss the 15 trillion dollar black hole in America's finances. How do you think your 'government' created that black hole and saddled Americans to it? Answer that and you'll answer most of the questions about war. And you'll stop advocating war to take out loonies like unelected North Korean despots.
First, do something about the unelected loonies running your nation.
I still love and admire Americans. I yearn for them to awaken and restore real and free government in America.
Malcolm
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