danielgr
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Available with both the R20 and K24 engines.
(link)
For the first time ever the CR-V will be available with a CVT tranny (only on the R20 model). Together with the R20 it delivers 25% better FE on Japanese JC08 driving cycle.
At 14.4 km/L it's comfortably ahead of Nissan's Xtrail (13.8)
Not a hybrid, but a hell of an FE improvement either way. I wonder if that CVT will make it outside Japan...
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FiSH-Chan
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Thanks for the info Daniel.
Is this the first Honda CVT for a large vehicle? They used to only put them in smaller cars like the EK Civic due to limits to weight.... good to see they solved (?) the weight/mass/size issue?
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Fan Koni
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Does anybody know how much weight the new crv lost?
I couldnt find real specs... all I find is some change in gearing, new AWD, civic Si K24 but nothing on real weight savings.
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2003_UB313
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Fan Koni wrote:
Does anybody know how much weight the new crv lost?
I couldnt find real specs... all I find is some change in gearing, new AWD, civic Si K24 but nothing on real weight savings.
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JDM or USDM?
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danielgr
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
Thanks for the info Daniel.
Is this the first Honda CVT for a large vehicle? They used to only put them in smaller cars like the EK Civic due to limits to weight.... good to see they solved (?) the weight/mass/size issue?
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It is a first for the CR-V and certainly a Honda bid to get ahead of the Xtrail, which is the market leader and is also powered by a 2.0L i4 + CVT combo
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Fan Koni
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2003_UB313 wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
Does anybody know how much weight the new crv lost?
I couldnt find real specs... all I find is some change in gearing, new AWD, civic Si K24 but nothing on real weight savings.
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JDM or USDM?
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Any before and after figures - I am curious on the total weight savings e.g. from the new AWD.
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danielgr
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Fan Koni wrote:
2003_UB313 wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
Does anybody know how much weight the new crv lost?
I couldnt find real specs... all I find is some change in gearing, new AWD, civic Si K24 but nothing on real weight savings.
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JDM or USDM?
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Any before and after figures - I am curious on the total weight savings e.g. from the new AWD.
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Honda's factbook states that the new AWD system is good for 18kg of savings
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danielgr
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danielgr wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
2003_UB313 wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
Does anybody know how much weight the new crv lost?
I couldnt find real specs... all I find is some change in gearing, new AWD, civic Si K24 but nothing on real weight savings.
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JDM or USDM?
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Any before and after figures - I am curious on the total weight savings e.g. from the new AWD.
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Honda's factbook states that the new AWD system is good for 18kg of savings
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So basically, the car is:
- bit smaller outside
- bigger inside (for passenger & luggage, in virtually all dimensions)
- much more refined & insulated + safer, yet not heavier
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Fan Koni
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Thanks danielgr.
I wonder if the CVT & R20 combination gives any hints on a coming hybrid model.
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danielgr
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Fan Koni wrote:
Thanks danielgr.
I wonder if the CVT & R20 combination gives any hints on a coming hybrid model.
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That say, I don't think that "near future" is coming in less than 3 (MMC) or 5 (FMC) years for the CR-V.
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danielgr
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danielgr wrote:
Fan Koni wrote:
Thanks danielgr.
I wonder if the CVT & R20 combination gives any hints on a coming hybrid model.
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That say, I don't think that "near future" is coming in less than 3 (MMC) or 5 (FMC) years for the CR-V.
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Forgot to say, for a CR-V hybrid to make sense it'd need to make sense in the US/Europe.
To make an hybrid profitable you need volume, and with Honda expecting to sell about 1500 CR-V/month on its first year in JP (I'd be surprised if they reach that mark), I don't think it's enough to justify a hybrid by itself.
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2003_UB313
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Fan Koni wrote:
Any before and after figures - I am curious on the total weight savings e.g. from the new AWD. |
"Compared to the previous model's Real Time 4WD, the new Real Time AWD design weighs 17 percent less (approximately 36 pounds total system weight)" i.e. a reduction of about 6 pounds
from: http://vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1014562&news_item_id=1014380
According to 2011 CR-V spec and 2012 press release:
there's a reduction of about 80 lb. for LX and 50 lb. for EX.
Note: It's important to note that IIRC, the 2012 CR-V comes with better standard equipemnts, even for base model, like a multi-angle rearview camera. So, the actual weight reduction on an equal equipment basis should be more than what appears.
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blackstripe77
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I'd expect the Thailand-built CR-V for ASEAN and Australia to be equipped with a traditional 5AT, whenever that may arrive.
That said, the JDM headlights are so much nicer! As a Honda fan I'm glad I'm not in the US. From what I can see it looks like the US gets an awkwardly placed DRL/indicator combo + H4 hi/low combo. Sounds like white DRLs or disabling DRL would be a pain. JDM gets a logical low beam projector + halogen high beam, indicator mounted on the outer side, and LED DRLs?
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blackstripe77
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Epic fail at posting a comparison because the JDM pic isn't loading for me...
but PS. the JDM version also has lights that light up in the direction you are turning! I find those kind of weird though. When they are working (ie. when one side is on) it looks like a headlight/foglight is broken.
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Potenza
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blackstripe77 wrote:
Epic fail at posting a comparison because the JDM pic isn't loading for me...
but PS. the JDM version also has lights that light up in the direction you are turning! I find those kind of weird though. When they are working (ie. when one side is on) it looks like a headlight/foglight is broken.
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luder715
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How much are halogen projectors to put in a car? How come only the accord coupe, insight and crz (the last gen pilot had them now does not) have them and other models don't (better vision at night with projectors)? How much are led taillights to add the 7th gen mmc accord had them and now does not (led taillight light up 20% faster then incandescents), i could care less about the audi christmas tree led drls. So much for safety for everyone especially for the driver in the usdm market. How come the koreans can add them and honda seems to think we want cheap looking cars in the US?
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Art of Snow
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danielgr wrote:
Available with both the R20 and K24 engines.
(link)
For the first time ever the CR-V will be available with a CVT tranny (only on the R20 model). Together with the R20 it delivers 25% better FE on Japanese JC08 driving cycle.
At 14.4 km/L it's comfortably ahead of Nissan's Xtrail (13.8)
Not a hybrid, but a hell of an FE improvement either way. I wonder if that CVT will make it outside Japan...
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But it looks like the CVT is only available as a 2WD ... too bad.
Any technical reason for this?
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danielgr
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Art of Snow wrote:
danielgr wrote:
Available with both the R20 and K24 engines.
(link)
For the first time ever the CR-V will be available with a CVT tranny (only on the R20 model). Together with the R20 it delivers 25% better FE on Japanese JC08 driving cycle.
At 14.4 km/L it's comfortably ahead of Nissan's Xtrail (13.8)
Not a hybrid, but a hell of an FE improvement either way. I wonder if that CVT will make it outside Japan...
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But it looks like the CVT is only available as a 2WD ... too bad.
Any technical reason for this?
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I've never seen a CVT AWD Honda, so I guess there are indeed technical reasons for it.
I'm no expert but CVTs way of transferring power might indeed be difficult to reliably couple with the AWD system rear diff.
Yet I know it's possible because Nissan does it in JP. Nissan also has CVTs able to handle nearly any level of torque while Hond has never went past mid-performance I4 so ...
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2003_UB313
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blackstripe77 wrote:
[...] JDM gets a logical low beam projector + halogen high beam, indicator mounted on the outer side, and LED DRLs?
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I don't think DRL is a legal requirement in JP, any info?
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danielgr
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2003_UB313 wrote:
blackstripe77 wrote:
[...] JDM gets a logical low beam projector + halogen high beam, indicator mounted on the outer side, and LED DRLs?
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I don't think DRL is a legal requirement in JP, any info?
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It's not , and nobody uses them during daytime (I even wonder if it's legal, in many European countries it's not)
As it stands now those LEDs are one of the worthless features on my CR-Z, try to believe they somehow help me save battery charge...
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FiSH-Chan
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AFAIK, if any vehicle needed bright DRLs, it should be motorcycles. OR really dark / matt black cars (that last one are hard to see).
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danielgr
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
AFAIK, if any vehicle needed bright DRLs, it should be motorcycles. OR really dark / matt black cars (that last one are hard to see).
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That is one of the reasons why on several countries in Southern Europe using your lights during daytime is forbidden for cars, mandatory for bikes. Motorcycles have to use their lights all they long and that distinctive feature is what lets you notice them and saves lives.
That obviously doesn't apply to northern countries when there are barely no bikes and visibility is pretty bad all year long because of meteorological conditions.
In JP I'm not sure about the law, but nobody uses their lights during daytime.
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danielgr
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danielgr wrote:
Available with both the R20 and K24 engines.
(link)
For the first time ever the CR-V will be available with a CVT tranny (only on the R20 model). Together with the R20 it delivers 25% better FE on Japanese JC08 driving cycle.
At 14.4 km/L it's comfortably ahead of Nissan's Xtrail (13.8)
Not a hybrid, but a hell of an FE improvement either way. I wonder if that CVT will make it outside Japan...
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No hybrid this time around, but still a decent start (nothing to be too proud of, nothing to be too worried about):
Sales figures Info:
- First month orders = 3,000 ; That is:
* 2x its monthly target
* Half the initial numbers of the previous generation which started selling with only the 2.4L engine in 2006 before the crisis and eco-friendliness boom.
* ~10x less than the recent compact Freed minivan MMC with the hybrid version (which is also about 3k cheaper).
- Monthly target = 1500 (down 500 from previous gen).
Model breakdown:
Engine
- 2.0L FWD CVT = 52% (starting at ~2.5 Million JPY)
- 2.4L AWD 5AT = 48% (starting at ~2.75 Million JPY)
Most popular factory options
- Navi 60%
- Navi + kind of luxury package: 18%
Most popular colours
- Black: 38%
- White: 36%
- Gray : 10%
Editorial Notes:
- From the sales figures, colours, and options it seems the new JDM CR-V is attracting relatively wealthier buyers which are obviously not as concerned with FE as other Honda buyers.
- Still, despite having now a 2.0L engine, the 2WD model share is much higher (52%) than with the previous generation (26%). The FE difference with the AWD is much larger though and that may have helped in the current market environment.
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PGH
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danielgr wrote:
Art of Snow wrote:
danielgr wrote:
Available with both the R20 and K24 engines.
(link)
For the first time ever the CR-V will be available with a CVT tranny (only on the R20 model). Together with the R20 it delivers 25% better FE on Japanese JC08 driving cycle.
At 14.4 km/L it's comfortably ahead of Nissan's Xtrail (13.8)
Not a hybrid, but a hell of an FE improvement either way. I wonder if that CVT will make it outside Japan...
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But it looks like the CVT is only available as a 2WD ... too bad.
Any technical reason for this?
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I've never seen a CVT AWD Honda, so I guess there are indeed technical reasons for it.
I'm no expert but CVTs way of transferring power might indeed be difficult to reliably couple with the AWD system rear diff.
Yet I know it's possible because Nissan does it in JP. Nissan also has CVTs able to handle nearly any level of torque while Hond has never went past mid-performance I4 so ...
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Subaru has been doing it since 2010 with the Outback and Legacy and now with the Impreza model line
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tonyboy9tov
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I retired to the Philippines and bought a new 2005 CR-V AWD automatic. In 2011 the transmission went south in a big way, nearly making the car undriveable, struggling just to make it back to the dealer. There was an identical model in the shop for the same reason, automatic transmission failure.
The dealer for a year now cannot fix the car right. So when I heard the CVT would be available in a 2013 CR-V, I thought this might be the solution. However the way Honda is introducing the CVT, first on the tiny Fit, then on the 2WD CR-V, that tells me Honda is carefully playing catch up with Nissan, which successfully uses the CVT on sedans yielding more than 200 HP.
I think Honda’s thinking on the CVT is wait and see. I would first read the warranty on the powertrain very carefully, making sure how the CVT is covered and for how many years. Then when the service guys get up to speed, get a ball park figure on repairing a CVT failure. Just think like buying a new Microsoft operating system the first year it’s out.
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alan3885
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Do you guys think Honda would consider bring the CR-V with the 2.0 R20 engine with CVT version like the JDM CR-V (20G) here to the states and make it the base or standard engine? Would anyone of you guys here in the North America region here be interested with R20 and CVT combo like the JDM CR-V? I also wished the USDM had paddle shifters like on the JDM CR-V (24G) so when climbing hills or mountains it would be nice to have control and get the nicer headlights like the interesting enough you cant get the K24 engine (24G) without AWD in the JDM market and there arent only two trim choices I wish Honda would get rid of those cheap and ugly looking steel wheels on the USDM CR-V LX but there trying to keep the costs low and too many trims here in the states I wish it would be simplified
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DCR
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I would like the option of getting that JDM front lower piece in the US...but not for $1k.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-2013-HONDA-CR-V-CRV-RM1-RM4-GENUINE-FRONT-BUMPER-AERO-SPOILER-JDM-VIP-JAPAN-/360457875144?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53ecf6aec8&vxp=mtr
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DrWhiner
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nissan also release the CVT model by model, first Altima, then Versa (a mix of CVT and AT), then Sentra in N. America?
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FiSH-Chan
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DrWhiner wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nissan also release the CVT model by model, first Altima, then Versa (a mix of CVT and AT), then Sentra in N. America?
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If I am not mistaken Nissan came out with a cvt design for large size cars like the skyline and murano in jdm very early on when Honda cvt was limited to smaller lighter less powerful cars. So they have a design that work well for large powerful cars in the beginning they did not need to experiment, it is very different from hondas design. The reason they are slowly introduce it probably fuel economy reason require it.
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Fan Koni
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Yes the V6 Murano has had CVT for years and its share of issues.
Probably miles apart from the new CVTs Honda is adding into the accord.
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